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Raptor3000
01-22-2012, 9:51 PM
Hi Guys,

I have recently started collecting military surplus guns, have been looking at Walther P1 on Classic arms website for a week :43:

Is this pistol a collector item or its just not worth it? If its WWII one will have bought it with out even thinking, but this is post WWII.


Please let me know your opinion.

Thanks

steve91104
01-22-2012, 10:31 PM
The P1 is a great design and fun to shoot. Get one with the hex cross pin and shoot it a lot. You'll love it.

Ed_Hazard
01-22-2012, 10:36 PM
Check w/your local Turners, they still show several listed on their discontinued gun list at reasonable prices.

http://www.turners.com/images/discontgun01-16.pdf

Raptor3000
01-22-2012, 10:47 PM
Check w/your local Turners, they still show several listed on their discontinued gun list at reasonable prices.

http://www.turners.com/images/discontgun01-16.pdf

Are these guns brand new or Mil surplus, the ones turners have?

thanks

SideWinder11
01-22-2012, 10:59 PM
In general terms:
P1's = shooter
p38's = collectors

If you want a shooter get a P1 Turners had them for $269 for calgunners only awhile back. IF you want a collector get a P38 go for $550 and up up up

IF you decide on a P1 correct get one with the hex pin but also get one with the beefer slide. You can tell this by the serrations in front of the safety not just behind it.

Ed_Hazard
01-22-2012, 11:03 PM
Definitely surplus guns at Turners, but all in all great condition. The excellent grade looked unissued for sure and even the VG grade were in top shape. The majority were the later ones w/the hex nut and beefier slides w/forward serrations.

SideWinder11
01-22-2012, 11:17 PM
The ones Turners had are unissued.

Raptor3000
01-23-2012, 5:57 AM
http://www.jgsales.com/walther-p38-9mm-semi-auto-pistol-with-alloy-frame,-used,-overall-excellent-condition.-p-5819.html

Is this a collector or just shooter?

thanks

morrcarr67
01-23-2012, 6:01 AM
http://www.jgsales.com/walther-p38-9mm-semi-auto-pistol-with-alloy-frame,-used,-overall-excellent-condition.-p-5819.html

Is this a collector or just shooter?

thanks

That is a post war shooter.

Century has some P-38's that would be classified as Collectors. Right now they are only listing them as coming soon so you would have to call and see what they say.

emcon5
01-23-2012, 6:21 AM
SOG has some Nazi marked p-38s as well. They are listed as:

These are WWII, all steel, Nazi marked P38 pistols that were captured by the Russians. At some point over the years, they have been refinished and mismatched and rematched by a Russian arsenal. Mechanically they are excellent, metal finish is excellent. The markings are crisp and clear, itís just that one of the numbers on the barrel, frame or side has been renumbered to match the other two. These are historic, collectable P38ís and the last of the last. When these are gone, surplus P38ís are gone!

caldude
01-23-2012, 7:00 AM
If you can, compare the feel of a P1 to a P38. The P1, with it's alloy frame, is much lighter than a P38 and feels top heavy. After comparing both, I much preferred the solid feel of the P38.

If you're looking for a WWII collector, then you want the P38. I got mine off of Calguns.

smle-man
01-23-2012, 1:50 PM
The P1 has a snappier recoil feel than the steel P38. I found the P1 bit unpleasant to shoot.

Syntax Error
01-23-2012, 4:17 PM
IF you decide on a P1 correct get one with the hex pin but also get one with the beefer slide. You can tell this by the serrations in front of the safety not just behind it.

I thought P1s in general had the beefier slide. They only added the hex pin because of the frame cracking issues with 9x19 NATO rounds which were loaded hotter than traditional 9x19.

morrcarr67
01-23-2012, 6:10 PM
Syntax - nope, they did the slide upgrade in the mid to late 70's.

SideWinder11
01-23-2012, 8:47 PM
The P1 has a snappier recoil feel than the steel P38. I found the P1 bit unpleasant to shoot.

I love mine shoots a lot like a berretta 92fs/m9 for obvious reasons. I think any Glock lover would argue with you about the weight of an alloy frame being glocks are top heavy too. It doesn't bother me one bit.

SKSer45
01-23-2012, 9:08 PM
P1s are great and are good shooters. Easy to clean and take care of. Just be careful on what type of ammo you use.

I mean if your looking for a gold mine p-1...you could have a p-38 mixed with p-1 parts with some waffen amps...but that is hard to do.

over all they are good shooters and you will love it. Any questions PM me.

CEDaytonaRydr
01-24-2012, 12:20 AM
The ones Turners had are unissued.

They actually had both unissued and "very good" condition P1s. I got one of the latter for about $270.

Check w/your local Turners, they still show several listed on their discontinued gun list at reasonable prices.

http://www.turners.com/images/discontgun01-16.pdf

That's where I got mine.

The ones that are in the $350 price range look brand new. The ones in the $250 range (like the one I bought) look worn but shoot straight and function very well. I've had mine out twice now and it's a very good shooter.

Raptor3000
01-27-2012, 9:08 PM
Guys, what kind ofnazi markings does WWII p38s have?
Nazi eagle? And does all of the WWII have them?

Thanks

OpenSightsOnly
01-27-2012, 9:23 PM
well, generally post-1938 is the war eagle as opposed to the Weimar eagle.

Are you looking for a shooter or a collector's item since it's an investment?

Raptor3000
01-27-2012, 9:34 PM
I want a collector if its not very expensive?

Is there a chance that p-1 will become collector in future?

Thanks

Raptor3000
01-28-2012, 2:36 PM
Guys, How do i make sure that P1 has all the latest upgrades like beefier slide and hex bolt?

I am getting from Turners excellent condition one (heard that these are unissued ones), do these already have these upgrades? any one who bought their P1s from Turners please let me know.

Thanks

rojocorsa
01-28-2012, 3:20 PM
Fun range blaster. There's better pistols out there though.


For a period 9mm, GP-35! Or screw it, a 1911!!!

cmichini
01-29-2012, 7:20 AM
I want a collector if its not very expensive?

Is there a chance that p-1 will become collector in future?

Thanks

The answer to that is kind of subjective.

Yes, it will be somewhat collectible, however the value will not be like a genuine WWII rig.

I'm in the same boat. I recently bought a P1, with the hex pin, as an affordable shooter. I picked mine up early in Jan (was able to have it shipped to my NC home, which saved lots of time/$$$).

I continue to troll gun shows here in NC for WWII P-38's that will be my collector piece. I feel I need to learn more before I make that plunge that will likely be $700 and up.

HTH

chknlyps2
01-29-2012, 8:02 AM
Guys, How do i make sure that P1 has all the latest upgrades like beefier slide and hex bolt?

I am getting from Turners excellent condition one (heard that these are unissued ones), do these already have these upgrades? any one who bought their P1s from Turners please let me know.

Thanks

I got 3 from Turners when they first started the Calguns special at $259 I think it was for the issued ones, I picked through about 12 and not all of them had the hex pins. The hex pin is located above the trigger between the slide release pivot and the take down lever.

Here is a thread with some P1 info http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=502171&highlight=p1


Post 4 on this thread has a pic of one with a hex pin, right under the date on the slide. http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=491287&highlight=p1

morrcarr67
01-29-2012, 8:56 AM
Guys, How do i make sure that P1 has all the latest upgrades like beefier slide and hex bolt?

I am getting from Turners excellent condition one (heard that these are unissued ones), do these already have these upgrades? any one who bought their P1s from Turners please let me know.

Thanks

Get one that looks like this:

http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/i461/morrcarr67/101_1917.jpg

You're looking for the hexpin just above the trigger and the slide that has the serrations in front of the safety.

oftenindeed
01-29-2012, 10:45 AM
I've shot one from the mid-60s that looked quite nice, like it had barely been used. No hex pin, earlier slide. It didn't have the slightest problem. If you find a deal on one like that, you shouldn't pass it up IMHO. Occasional usage with standard commercial ammo should be fine from everything I've heard. Ideally though you get one with all the bells and whistles.

Raptor3000
01-29-2012, 11:57 AM
When was hex bolt started appearing? Which year?

I am planning to get unissued one from turners hope it has all the upgrades?

Thanks

mydogsmonkey
01-29-2012, 12:15 PM
When was hex bolt started appearing? Which year?

I am planning to get unissued one from turners hope it has all the upgrades?

Thanks

don't remember what year it started but its not relevant, because older ones were rearsenaled and got the upgrades. you would just have to physically look for the upgrades. Hex pin, thicker slide, can't remember the rest at the moment.

steve91104
01-29-2012, 2:12 PM
Get one that looks like this:

http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/i461/morrcarr67/101_1917.jpg

You're looking for the hexpin just above the trigger and the slide that has the serrations in front of the safety.

Loving that towel :thumbsup:

Raptor3000
01-29-2012, 10:33 PM
Is $349 a decent price for unissued P1? and $249 for a issued one?

Thanks

SideWinder11
01-29-2012, 11:33 PM
Yea sounds good but if you're buying online you'll have to add $70 in FFL fees plus tax.

morrcarr67
01-30-2012, 5:35 AM
Loving that towel :thumbsup:

Why thank you Sir :)

Cessnapilot89
01-30-2012, 8:40 AM
Walther P1's are great pistols. I have an early one marked for Manurhin with the Berlin police markings on the frame as well as a Portuguese mark on the slide. Pistol is absolutely beautiful and very accurate.

Raptor3000
02-12-2012, 7:30 PM
Guys,

Quick question, i bought a P1 unissued from Turners couple of days back, 3 digit serial on the slide matches the last 3 digits of the number on top of the trigger and also matches with the number on the rails when you pull the slide back.

Are there numbers any where else on the gun that have to match? i forgot to check the magazine.

Thanks

pingpong
02-12-2012, 8:42 PM
I also recently got one of these (from AIM)
http://www.sudorm-rf.com/gallery/d/3187-2/walther_p1.jpg

Raptor3000
02-12-2012, 8:45 PM
I also recently got one of these (from AIM)
http://www.sudorm-rf.com/gallery/d/3187-2/walther_p1.jpg

Did you get the holster with it? if you dont mind, how much did you pay for it?

thanks

SVT-40
02-12-2012, 8:49 PM
I want a collector if its not very expensive?

Is there a chance that p-1 will become collector in future?

Thanks

They are "collectable" now as they are no longer in production. Just because they are available does not mean their not collectable.

Heck start collecting all the variations and one from each year of production. Add all the different issued holsters and you would be a busy fellow trying to get them all.

Remember when their gone their gone and prices will go up. These P-1 pistols are less common today than Nazi P-38's were after WWII and well into the 60's.

Plus there are other non WWII P-38 pistols available to add to any P-1 / P-38 collection.

Here's a few pic's of my commercial Walther P-38. It was made in 1968.

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w201/SVT-40/Pistols/DSC05939.jpg

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w201/SVT-40/Pistols/DSC05981.jpg

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w201/SVT-40/Pistols/DSC05966.jpg

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w201/SVT-40/Pistols/DSC05972.jpg

pingpong
02-12-2012, 9:01 PM
Did you get the holster with it? if you dont mind, how much did you pay for it?

thanks

They were on sale on AIM for $279 a few months ago. And yes, it came with a holster and 2 mags. Definitely has quite a bit of holster wear; at some point I'll probably get it re-blued.

Raptor3000
02-18-2012, 7:15 PM
Guys,

I picked up one more P1 from Turners, its very good condition for $249.
Just a quick question, i remember seeing some pics on the internet with Walther P1 stamped with "Made in west germany" or West Germany on it. I dont see such marking on the ones i bought.

Any idea, which ones had these marking and which ones do not?

thanks

SVT-40
02-18-2012, 8:59 PM
Those pistols marked "West Germany" or Made in West Germany were imported before the GCA of 1968.

Raptor3000
02-19-2012, 6:00 PM
Those pistols marked "West Germany" or Made in West Germany were imported before the GCA of 1968.

Thanks SVT-40, one more question.

Did P1s come in different slide finishes? Military issue ones. Because a 1978 used one looks like has smoother than finish than unissued 1980 one, that might have happened because of cleaning the slide.

Thanks