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nssurge
01-22-2012, 7:59 PM
I have an 1946 Izhevsk Mosin Nagant m44 with a flawless bore, perfect bluing, very discreet import marks between the bayonet mount and the front sight, hardwood stock, matching numbers(with no sign of force match from what I can tell) and literally no wear to the inside of the receiver. Is it possible this is unfired? If it is actually unfired, would it be a huge loss to fire it?

Excuse my lack of fine detail, my phone was dying and it was hard to get good lighting
Any further pictures will be filled tomorrow morning with good lighting

photos removed for my privacy**

All that brownish stuff is cosmo I have yet to remove. Otherwise it is super clean and I'm excited to shoot it.

0321jarhead
01-22-2012, 8:09 PM
Looking forward to the pictures. In the meantime this will help you identify proof marks and all sorts of good information to get you started on a fun journey. http://7.62x54r.net/

SKSer45
01-22-2012, 8:14 PM
hmmm well its only a M44 so why not be the first to pop its cherry and claim your prize?

Sunday
01-22-2012, 8:19 PM
IMO musical instruments are made to be played as guns are made to be shot.

SKSer45
01-22-2012, 8:22 PM
IMO musical instruments are made to be played as guns are made to be shot.

+1000!

Noonanda
01-22-2012, 8:23 PM
If it has this mark somewhere on the barrel shank, Ivan already shot it for you. Its a Firing proof
http://mosinnagant.net/images/Circley.jpg

odds are really against you that it is "unfired", you probably have a rifle that was fired a little and was well maintained, but I would bet it has been fired

nssurge
01-22-2012, 8:36 PM
If it has this mark somewhere on the barrel shank, Ivan already shot it for you. Its a Firing proof
http://mosinnagant.net/images/Circley.jpg

odds are really against you that it is "unfired", you probably have a rifle that was fired a little and was well maintained, but I would bet it has been fired

It does indeed have that marking, hopefully I acquired a good shooter!

McNally M.
01-22-2012, 11:24 PM
If the barrel looks that good, what does the whole package look like?

paul0660
01-22-2012, 11:29 PM
Picture of matching number bolt face can tell the tale.

Chaos47
01-22-2012, 11:31 PM
I really doubt there is such a thing as an unfired Mosin Nagant.

a1c
01-23-2012, 7:31 AM
I really doubt there is such a thing as an unfired Mosin Nagant.

I'm sure there are or were a lot of ceremonial or reserve rifles built in the Cold War that were maybe fired once at the factory (assuming that was even part of the process), and then put into a crate and never picked up again.

Chaos47
01-23-2012, 7:45 AM
I'm sure there are or were a lot of ceremonial or reserve rifles built in the Cold War that were maybe fired once at the factory (assuming that was even part of the process), and then put into a crate and never picked up again.

They where on to the SKS and the AK by the time of the cold war.

Soviet M91/30
Tula hex receiver 1930 to 1936
Tula round receiver 1936 to 1944
Izhevsk hex receiver 1930 to 1935
Izhevsk round receiver 1935 to 1945

Soviet M44
Izhevsk 1943 to 1948
Tula 1944

http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinProduction.htm

Some of the Soviet countries did make them well into the 50's though.

Why make "ceremonial or reserve rifles" when you literally have millions of newly re-arsenaled rifles on hand?

BigFatGuy
01-23-2012, 7:59 AM
So, you're saying... it's French.

;-)

mosinnagantm9130
01-23-2012, 7:08 PM
So, you're saying... it's French.

;-)

It's an Izhevsk, not a Chatellerault. ;)

Pics will tell the tale of this M44.

steve91104
01-23-2012, 7:27 PM
:popcorn:

nssurge
01-23-2012, 9:13 PM
updated with pics,

dont hurt me if i'm just a mosin noob please :)

mosinnagantm9130
01-25-2012, 10:21 PM
Nah, it's been fired. I have a 46 in similar condition I fire fairly often.

SideWinder11
01-25-2012, 11:19 PM
Looks fired to me. Shoot it that's what it was made to do

Chaos47
01-25-2012, 11:35 PM
BTW the serial on your bolt looks to be hand engraved, which probably makes it a forced match.

finloq
01-26-2012, 6:08 AM
BTW the serial on your bolt looks to be hand engraved, which probably makes it a forced match.

Bingo. If the bolt was replaced (probably to correct a headspace issue), I'm pretty sure that it has been fired quite a bit.

Chaos47
01-26-2012, 9:16 AM
Could have been replaced for something as simple as at some point when the squad was cleaning their rifles the bolts got mixed between them. Later when they where rearsenaled they replaced the bolt and hand inscribed the serial.

mosinnagantm9130
01-26-2012, 10:59 AM
Bingo. If the bolt was replaced (probably to correct a headspace issue), I'm pretty sure that it has been fired quite a bit.

If it was a headspace issue, wouldn't it make more sense to only replace the bolt head?

EP matching happened during refurb, it's nothing out of the ordinary.

JAGACIDA
01-26-2012, 3:18 PM
I bought one about 3 years ago in the condition you've described yours as being. Just perfect, new bore, I thought this was too good to be an issued unit, maybe ceremonial. Nonetheless, I shoot the hell out of it.

echo1
01-26-2012, 9:43 PM
I bought one about 3 years ago in the condition you've described yours as being. Just perfect, new bore, I thought this was too good to be an issued unit, maybe ceremonial. Nonetheless, I shoot the hell out of it.

Me too. PAX

Pete1979
01-28-2012, 7:56 PM
I have a Romanian circa 1954, the bore is absolutely perfect as is the crown. I need to either start shooting it or sell it, right now it sits nest to the bed. My closest range (ASR) does not allow steel jacket. I need to pick up some .311 bullets and work up a load...