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tiger222
03-17-2007, 3:03 PM
HI CG

I can't believe I am asking this ~ but it has come to my attention that there seems to be some very high quality looking RAS clones out there.

Does anyone have any 1st hand experience with these?
Do they hold up and fit?

I particular the M14 & G3 RAS's look like they would work.
The SR25 RAS is very sexy - but I don't know if they would mate up and hold.

TIA

Lateralus
03-17-2007, 3:06 PM
my guess is that it will fit, but its gonna lose zero faster than you can reload....

Solidsnake87
03-17-2007, 3:08 PM
I used to be quite the airsofter. I might not play much anymore, but I still have tons of equipment. I can say first hand that a lot of the accessories made for airsoft will work on real firearms. For certain, I can only say that classic army brand Rail systems will work on ARs. I am not sure about other rail systems. I will expand on this to say that any airsoft accessory made to work on rails will work on real steel and they are dramatically cheaper. I have tons of classic army rail panels, fore grips, and so forth that are made to look exactly like Knight's Armament stuff. These work wonderfully on my ARs at a fraction of the price.

boosterboy
03-17-2007, 3:11 PM
HI CG

I can't believe I am asking this ~ but it has come to my attention that there seems to be some very high quality looking RAS clones out there.

Does anyone have any 1st hand experience with these?
Do they hold up and fit?

I particular the M14 & G3 RAS's look like they would work.
The SR25 RAS is very sexy - but I don't know if they would mate up and hold.

TIA

Don't bother.

You can always get JP, YHM, and MI handguards for a very affordable price. (AR wise)


If this trend keeps up, some idiot is going to put an airsoft barrel nut on his AR and then we'll read about him on the news.

P.S.

Real airsofters buy real handguards (not replica ones) and put them on their toy guns.

Mute
03-17-2007, 4:05 PM
Airsofts don't have recoil so there's no way to tell what kind of effect that will have on the rails. Better to put your money into the real thing.

Solidsnake87
03-17-2007, 4:24 PM
I forgot to mention earlier that you would not be saving much $ buying an airsoft rail system. The calssic army Knights rails they make are about $145 and, while thay can attached pretty securely, they do wiggle some. I went with a sure fire rail system. They guarantee them to hold zero for lasers and stuff. However, don't hesitate to buy airsoft rail panels or foregrips. They have all the same logos as Knights and so forth and are very study but half to 1/3 to price of the name brand stuff. Like another guy said Never use Airsoft Weapons components such as barrel nuts, free float tubes, and so forth. This would be asking for a dangerous outcome.

mltrading
03-17-2007, 4:34 PM
I do not know if the airsoft accessories manufacturers were authorized or not.

If not, it's copyright violation. Please support our firearm industries!!!:)

rassd71
03-17-2007, 5:23 PM
Not to hijack the thread, but would other accessories made for airsoft work ok for real firearms? Specifically I'm thinking about BUIS. The price difference is huge. Does anyone have any experience with the airsoft ones?

Solidsnake87
03-17-2007, 5:29 PM
Go and check out Airsoft extreme. They have locations all over CA. Pretty much all the employees are hardcore AR people. They are very honest about the stuff they carry. I've seen a lot of people buy Airsoft light and laser units for their ARs since its far cheaper to do so. I use an airsoft replica of that $500 surefire pistol gripped flashlight that mounts on rail units. It functions great, and since items like this are mostly for show (unless ur an LEO), its also a fraction of the cost. ($100)

I know they make airsoft BUIS units but I would not recommend them for your gun. While they may work, they may have some wobble in them which would prevent a good zero. Things like, lights, fore-grips, laser modules, rail panels, and mag clamps are cheaper items that (depending on the item) may perform just as good as the name brand stuff.

rassd71
03-17-2007, 5:48 PM
Thanks, that's kinda what I was thinking. But I've never gotten into airsoft, so I had no idea as to the quality.

Spiggy
03-17-2007, 9:47 PM
uh, bad idea on a grand scale

half those rails are made from cast aluminium, the other half lead-zinc potmetal... and I have the experience to admit that

Oh and my special order system beats AEX's prices up and down the block

3rd_gear
03-17-2007, 10:01 PM
I stopped by Airsoft Extreme in Santa Clara sometime last year, and I asked about the rail system that came on the Classic Army brand M4, I told the employee that "it looked and felt real", he then said "it is because it's made for the real guns". I don't know if he was bullsh*tting me or not.

ghostwong
03-17-2007, 10:19 PM
Airsofts don't have recoil so there's no way to tell what kind of effect that will have on the rails. Better to put your money into the real thing.

I had airsoft stuff. I put my real AR stuff on it to impress, or scare people when I play.
The bottom line is the Real AR stuff can take the beating of recoli, being dropped, kick or abused. The airsoft copies can not. I have seen parts break off the unit when somebody slams the bolt shut or drops the airsoft weapon.

Better to put the real stuff on the fake stuff and never the other way around.

maxicon
03-17-2007, 11:03 PM
Like with any gun gear, there are different levels of stuff available. Some people have had good luck with inexpensive gear that others call airsoft junk, and some of it is junk. You don't know until you or someone else has actual experience with it.

The cheapest railed fore-end you can get is the UTG, which lots of people call airsoft junk, but the people who own them say they lock up tight and hold up fine. Made in Taiwan according to people who own them, which is a democracy, just like Sweden, where they make Aimpoints.

They're $60 here - http://www.jsesurplus.com/shoppingcart/agora.cgi?cart_id=6535887.26845*_I3mX2&product=HANDGUARDS

There's an extended thread on them here:
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=12&t=304671

Can't say about the RAS clones; I'd find some feedback from someone who had actually used one before making a decision...

xenophobe
03-18-2007, 12:23 AM
Airsoft toys don't need to stand up to abuse or real world use. If they fail in the field or on the range, nobody's life is at stake.

Real firearm accessories need to withstand harsh abuse and are designed to take it. In many instances, a failure may be catastrophic, and could cause injury or death.

In the worst case scenario, a real manufacturer with a real product designed for firearms will handle liability. With airsoft toys, you're SOL. There is a reason why real products cost more, and a reason why airsoft toy accessories are cheap. The former uses a lot of money in R&D and product development, and use high quality materials. Airsoft toys can be copied from the real product using cheaper components and materials, and aren't able to be held liable if anything goes seriously wrong.

If you just gotta be tacticool mall ninja, then go for the toy stuff, cause it'll make you look cool. If not, buy what you can afford because you need or want to.

Personally, I'd rather have a pair of standard handguards than any airsoft toy FFHG ripoff.

Sal
03-18-2007, 1:38 AM
even the "high quality" CNC'd aluminum RAS and metal bodies for the M4s may not hold up.

i have a SR-15 at my house that the owner ran into the wall, the front end of the body stripped and the rail was stuck about 2" off to the left, the RAS rail didnt strip the threads though only the body but they are definatly not the same quality as the real ones.

they fit, and feel good on the guns but i dont trust them well enough to hold.

I have alot of experience working at airsoft advantage in fullerton with spiggy, and belive me, we have tried alot of real/airsoft parts swaps just to see how compatable the airsoft guns are. the M4/M16 series all real handguards fit the airsoft guns but depending on the brand it may be a tight or loose fit. most of the airsoft guns rail systems will fit the real steel as well, and again most vary slightly in length, usually longer so they can be tighter, or be filed to fit the shorter length of some brands.

Jicko
03-18-2007, 8:30 AM
Not to hijack the thread, but would other accessories made for airsoft work ok for real firearms? Specifically I'm thinking about BUIS. The price difference is huge. Does anyone have any experience with the airsoft ones?

How far do the BB goes? 100 ft? I guess... those BUIS will work for 100ft/30yds then...

How much recoil do the BB have? Nil.... I guess... those BUIS will work for ammo/firing that doesn't have any recoil..... ie. dry firing....

Forget about airsoft stuffs.... if you can't afford the real thing, wait and save up.... work another shift... etc...

Jicko
03-18-2007, 8:34 AM
I stopped by Airsoft Extreme in Santa Clara sometime last year, and I asked about the rail system that came on the Classic Army brand M4, I told the employee that "it looked and felt real", he then said "it is because it's made for the real guns". I don't know if he was bullsh*tting me or not.

BS! :eek:

I doubt that Classic Army even pay royalty to KAC for copying their design....

Spiggy
03-18-2007, 8:06 PM
sal and I have guns built from the ground up to fire up to 100 yards at safe speeds... but these guys arent always the run of the mill electric guns.

Electric guns have no recoil, there are gas handguns with minor recoil... and much larger custom guns based off the escort blowback engine that will kick a helluva lot more than the ar-15... but those are very expensive pieces of equiptment

Royalties?
no, they dont, so far they only pay armalite for their trademarks. -which arent very good to begin with.


so far the main justifications(in my opinion) for airsoft is for collecting guns that you cant possibly own (due to legal or fiscal reasons... say, a M60) or the comradery with freinds that you can shoot up over and over. Dont think of it as a replacement for live arms... just a small extention