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ask80
03-14-2007, 8:57 PM
I'm interested in getting one of them.. what's the pros/cons of having the hammer exposed (637) and not having one (642) . anyone shot one of these? or similar

CalNRA
03-14-2007, 9:34 PM
an exposed hammer lets you choose a SA or DA trigger pull, the 642 would be DAO.

but the 642 would be better for pocket carry and let likely to be snagged.

rkt88edmo
03-14-2007, 9:42 PM
642 will also collect less pocket lint in hard to clean critical areas.

maxicon
03-14-2007, 9:44 PM
The 642 is very slick and snagproof. It's S&W's top selling revolver, according to the sales rep when I bought mine, and at the time it was also their least expensive revolver.

The DAO trigger pull is pretty stiff, though, and keeping it on target through the pull takes a bit of practice. I'm looking at lighter springs from Wolff and an extended firing pin from Cylinder and Slide to get my trigger pull down a bit.

If you're in the San Jose area, Sportsmen's Supply in Campbell had a clean used 442 (same thing in black) for $315 this afternoon.

I shot a Smith rep's 637, and it was definitely nice to have the flexibility in cocking the hammer, but it's not nearly as smooth a draw from the pocket. You really can't beat the 642 for an affordable pocket gun.

The sights on both the 637 and 642 are very rudimentary, and are fairly useless. A laser grip is a big help in point-shooting with these.

PistolPete75
03-14-2007, 10:26 PM
i have the 637....nice carry gun, but it definitely takes practice to learn how to control the gun..these guns are both very light, and have a significant amount of recoil...

Delta V
03-15-2007, 8:10 AM
The design of the 642 allows a higher grip (i.e. closer to the bore axis), which can enhance controlability. The SA option is nice for more precise shooting, but that's not usually a primary mission of these snubbies.

ask80
03-15-2007, 9:16 AM
well i don't plan on pocket carry. maybe holster carry. the hammer option is $10 less. off topic, but for conceal carry is the S&W better or hkp2000. lol i know it's no simple comparison... but

642 - light , cheap, 5 shots, crappy sight
p2000- large, double the price, 12 rnds , night sight

Dump1567
03-15-2007, 11:01 AM
well i don't plan on pocket carry. maybe holster carry. the hammer option is $10 less. off topic, but for conceal carry is the S&W better or hkp2000. lol i know it's no simple comparison... but

642 - light , cheap, 5 shots, crappy sight
p2000- large, double the price, 12 rnds , night sight

Dress around the gun.

I would carry both. I think most people who have been involved in a gun fight with a 5 shot revolver would tell you they wish they had had a bigger gun and more ammo. The 642 is a great gun and I own one, but it's always filled a back-up roll. An oversized shirt can hide a lot of gear. Most people don't pay attention and won't even notice the bulges under your shirt.

I currently carry a Glock 23 backed-up by a 27. I got a buddy packin a couple of Glock 30's. I've been carrying for almost 17 years and have just grown acustomed to the bulk & weight. In certain situation I might carry less gear, but it's rare.

Two guns isn't for everyone, but I feel a nice sub-compact with 8 to 10 rounds backed-up by a reload is minimum. And if you do go with just a 642, at least carry a speed strip/loader or two. And don't forget to practice with it.

anothergunnut
03-15-2007, 12:03 PM
These little guns are a handful to shoot. I don't know how people shoot full power .357 mags in such a small package.

The exposed hammer makes small revolvers much better for target shooting but that is probably not what you want an aluminum framed, five shot revolver for. If your purpose is a revolver for concealed carry, the 642 can't be beat. You may also want to consider a plastic 9mm auto.

ask80
03-15-2007, 12:24 PM
i'm actually sort of restricted on what i can carry. :mad:
beretta 92/cougar, s&w pistols/handguns, or HK usp/p2000

so you carry 2 guns concealed? one on ankle? that's a bit too much for me at least. lol

anyone make hip holsters (preferably paddle) that can hold 1 speed load for the s&w j frames?

Dump1567
03-15-2007, 1:58 PM
i'm actually sort of restricted on what i can carry. :mad:
beretta 92/cougar, s&w pistols/handguns, or HK usp/p2000

so you carry 2 guns concealed? one on ankle? that's a bit too much for me at least. lol

anyone make hip holsters (preferably paddle) that can hold 1 speed load for the s&w j frames?

One on each hip. I don't like ankle holsters.

Check out the S&W forum. I'm sure someone there can recommend a good J frame set-up.

http://smith-wessonforum.com/eve/forums/a/frm/f/550103904

ask80
03-17-2007, 12:23 PM
anyone happen to know the weight of a 642 loaded and hkp2000 loaded?

maxicon
03-17-2007, 2:34 PM
My 642 with factory Uncle Mike's grips and 5 rounds of Remington 125 gr +P SJHPs weighs 487 grams, or 17.4 oz.

You can shave off 3 oz and bump up to .357 magnum going to a 340PD at about twice the cost and 3 times the pain when shooting...

The P2000 shows up on the web at 680 grams, the mag around 75 grams, and 11 rounds of 9mm Federal Classic JHP comes in at 129 grams, for a total of 884 grams, or about 32 oz. That's around the same loaded weight as a XD9 subcompact or a Sig P239, and is 2 oz heavier than a Glock 17 with 11 rounds.

L-2
03-17-2007, 3:54 PM
...If you're in the San Jose area, Sportsmen's Supply in Campbell had a clean used 442 (same thing in black) for $315 this afternoon...

Thanks for the info. I bought the used 442-2 today.

maxicon
03-17-2007, 6:27 PM
Yeah, I'd have bought it if I didn't have a 642. I had a weak moment where I almost bought it anyway, because I like them in black...

Glad it worked out!

ask80
03-17-2007, 7:10 PM
thanks

saki302
03-17-2007, 8:04 PM
I own both guns- or very similar guns- a Model 60 (.357) and a 340sc (.357).

I've done trigger jobs on many versions of both guns- the hammer gun can be given a much better trigger- the internal angles are different on the shrouded gun.
For the guy who wants to lighten the pull, I've found the Wolff lightweight hammer spring and return spring to be 100% reliable in every case of J-frame I've done (about 5 or 6 so far). The extended firing pin is not necessary, and difficult to install.

As far as grip angle- they're about the same. Yeah, you could probably try and grab the 340 up by the top frame area, but it will beat you bloody, and the wrist/hand contortion is not comfy. You'll find both ride in the same position in the hand.

The choice is ultimately yours. The only advantage to the DAO gun is the ability to fire within a pocket, sure of not snagging on anything. Otherwise, I strongly favor the external hammer gun.
They used to sell an accessory which bolted on to shroud the hammer- I don't know if it's still sold.

And yep, the 340sc is punishing with full power loads :D

-Dave

SnWnMe
03-17-2007, 10:33 PM
642>637

Poohgyrr
03-18-2007, 8:34 AM
Otay....

Are the 642 trigger and sights that different from my wonderful 640-1, with its' smooth clean trigger and small sights that do real well and put rounds on right on target? This is my second one too, both are that good.

And grips make a big, big difference. Fitz duramites work real well for me.

And another alternative I'd look closely at is a used 3913 or 3914. These are really slim, accurate, completely reliable, and hold 7 or 8 +1 rounds of good 9mm. Excellent pistols. The value series 908s do pretty well too.