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mark2203
01-01-2012, 7:48 AM
All I have to say is "Wow." Where do you start to get this place like this cleaned up and how long would it take before it was a disaster again? I mean, besides just a rediculous amount of spent shell casings and random targets left everywhere, people are just dumping thier trash all over the place. It's amazing what people just leave behind there and feel ok about doing it.

I think the only real option is carpet bomb the whole place.

Edit - Didn't realize I had this picture on my phone. I took this when I arrived.
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r3dn3ck
01-01-2012, 7:51 AM
No, I think it's time for us CG'ers to do a range cleanup. Could you post the GPS coords of the spot you're referring to?

C'mon folks, let's get them pickups out and go cleanup after the tards before it gets another area closed.

mark2203
01-01-2012, 7:58 AM
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=39.132607,-123.101673&spn=0.003558,0.004941&t=h&z=18

thedrickel
01-01-2012, 4:22 PM
I may be able to make it on a Saturday. I have been there a bunch of times, but not for about a year I think.

223556
01-01-2012, 4:25 PM
If that was near me I would be good to go for clean up. Wish we had more places like this (cleaned after each session though!)

bob_e95482
01-01-2012, 4:28 PM
I was there shooting today, and it was pretty bad. Although I'm on crutches, I can provide a truck and tools for a cleanup.

Intimid8tor
01-01-2012, 4:39 PM
If we can get a date set pretty quick I'll see if I can get a couple more guys to come with me. The weather is good right now, but once we actually get rain, it will be tougher to get people out.

thedrickel
01-01-2012, 5:26 PM
If we can get a date set pretty quick I'll see if I can get a couple more guys to come with me. The weather is good right now, but once we actually get rain, it will be tougher to get people out.

That reminds me, last time I was out there, a huge muddy rut about halfway up the hill convinced us not to risk it in my buddy's stock '94 Jeep Cherokee.

bob_e95482
01-01-2012, 9:09 PM
That reminds me, last time I was out there, a huge muddy rut about halfway up the hill convinced us not to risk it in my buddy's stock '94 Jeep Cherokee.

That muddy spot has been repaired. That was the worst spot, also.

bohoki
01-01-2012, 9:10 PM
i went out there with 3 big garbage bags thinking i would make a difference after shoveling the bags full with shotgun shells i didnt look like i made a dent i hope a plane never crashes there because nobody would ever notice

shmeare
01-01-2012, 10:48 PM
maybe organizing a cgns clean up would be best, how about involving the local BLM office staff, sheriff, etc. This way maybe they can provide a dumpster, and have a lot of people show up.

mark2203
01-02-2012, 8:17 AM
I was there shooting today, and it was pretty bad. Although I'm on crutches, I can provide a truck and tools for a cleanup.

Hey Bob. I think I saw you. I was on the far right end with the two young boys. You were trying to make it by us and the wash-out. It was definitely tough to navigate on crutches.

Unfortunately, I don't live in the area otherwise I'd join you in the short-term, but maybe in the future when I'm visiting the family and when you're off crutches. This place does give me the inspiration to get more involved with these cleanups. I think what was most disturbing is the garbage tossed in the parking lot. Pretty much was just kitchen trash. I typically either shoot at a controlled range or, lately, Pinoche down south, which was nowhere near this bad. Pinoche was pretty well kept where we were at.

mkane
01-02-2012, 8:21 AM
We used to ride off road at Cow. Notice 'Used to'. Won't say another word about scumbags in Ukiah.

mark2203
01-02-2012, 8:29 AM
You'd have to coordinate a day/weekend to shut it down for a cleanup, which would probably require the BLM and sheriff to be actively involved. I would suspect you would have a bit of a local backlash and potentially some confrontations if it wasn't well coordinated and people arrived to shoot only to find out there was a cleanup going on. I'll be out there in February again sometime. I can also help line-up some "respectable" and "hard-working" people who live locally to join.

bob_e95482
01-02-2012, 8:32 AM
We used to ride off road at Cow. Notice 'Used to'. Won't say another word about scumbags in Ukiah.

Don't blame it all on us. Most of the shooters are from out of town.

thedrickel
01-02-2012, 9:35 AM
That muddy spot has been repaired. That was the worst spot, also.

Awesome. The road is otherwise pretty good, I have made it up there plenty of times in a little compact 4-cylinder.

mike_the_wino
01-02-2012, 9:40 AM
Never been but I could show up if there is a clean up day. No truck but trash bags, tools and a willingness to pitch in.

Deadon
01-02-2012, 2:31 PM
This brings a tear to my eye. I grew up with my family hunting those hills. To the bottom and out. My grandfather passed this last year and he was the main person in my life who got me into guns and hunting. So many great memories on Cow mountain. Summer vaca spent in Ukiah and waiting for that mill whistle to sound to go do a evening hunt.
I wish when people went to these places they would think of their grandchildren and what these mountains mean to the future sport. If I were closer I would be there in a minute. You know what screw it. You guys get something together and Ill be there to help.

polo.45
01-02-2012, 3:27 PM
I clean ofter my self....Most of the people is from out of town.. I see people bringing garbage to shoot at. Not cool..
:puke:

r3dn3ck
01-03-2012, 9:25 AM
I have me and one other. Any weekend. May just go up and fill up some trash bags and shoot a little.

Donnovin
01-05-2012, 6:07 PM
Count me in. Anytime. I don't have a truck, but can help fill them. I estimate it will take in the neighborhood of 10CY to make a decent dent, so, quite a few full size pickups. It's bad and needs help soon. Sooner the better.

Is there a way to organize emails so we can more easily canvas people for a solid date rather than going back and forth through postings and PM's?

Does somebody know how to do a survey with a range of dates that we can agree to?

I do know that if a real date doesn't get pinned down nothing will happen.

YvettesSherpa
01-05-2012, 6:16 PM
And people wonder why we loose shooting areas....

bohoki
01-06-2012, 12:28 AM
i'm not too upset with the garbage as it is fairly sequestered to the range basin and will not end up in a waterway

but when someone shot up the trees (they died and were chopped down) that provided shade and a windbreak

a good bonfire would take care of the majority of garbage (shotgun shells,ammo boxes,various wood chunks (pallets,plywood,particle board entertainment center) hide-a-bed couch cushions tv/monitor plastic outer shells bowling pins

i remember one clean up where they had a pile of old bbq tanks about 10 foot high waiting to be picked up

http://www.greenblue.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/KAB-Litter-PSA.jpeg

Big Jake
01-06-2012, 9:29 AM
What a mess!

Donnovin
01-06-2012, 10:15 AM
I called the Ukiah field office to ask about how to go about organizing something and they have a person who is in charge of cleanups. Typically, on an annual basis, they bring up a 40CY dumpster then hire inmates to do the cleanup. I will email them and ask if they have anything planned soon and how we would go about coordinating with them. If anyone is interested in being on an email list to be notified about timing, please PM me your email and I will set up a group email.

They are also in the process of setting up interim rules prohibiting use of firearms anywhere but at the range to help prevent the trash that you see along the sides of the roadway on the way up to the range. They would like to cleanup these other areas as well.

Anyhow, send me your emails if you want to be part of a group list for cleanup coordination at North Cow. I will also update via posts here.

mark2203
01-06-2012, 10:27 AM
Please include me. I'll send you a PM. I'll can't guarantee I'll make it because of the distance and other adult responsibilities but, since my in-laws live within 15-minutes of there and we always enjoy visiting them, it's likely that we can swing a trip out there.

They are also in the process of setting up interim rules prohibiting use of firearms anywhere but at the range to help prevent the trash that you see along the sides of the roadway on the way up to the range. They would like to cleanup these other areas as well.

Also, with regards to this, I have to say "thank God." Not only was there several road-side messes left, a couple of derelicts were target shooting across the roadway about a 1/4 mile from the range area. When we approached they stopped, allowed us to pass and waived hello, and continued on. I never argue with an unknown person holding a loaded pistol, so we moved on.

renardsubtil
01-06-2012, 11:59 AM
PM'ing you Donnovin

I've been to Cow Mountain OHV park at least a few times since I've joined a local 4x4 club and we've been looking for a clean up opportunity for awhile now.

ShooterDK
01-06-2012, 5:29 PM
Please count me in on this effort. My wife's family is from Ukiah so we get up there fairly often. I have a truck and plenty of rakes, etc. Let's make this work. We're better than the scum that trash this place.

If we can work this through with BLM that's excellent.

Thank you Donnovin for beginning the coordination with BLM.

Keep me in the loop.

CAHighSierra
01-06-2012, 5:53 PM
Itd be good to involve any 4x4 clubs anyone is affiliated with as well. The offroading community is big on helping keep public lands open too!

ckprax
01-09-2012, 4:24 PM
I grew up shooting at cow mountain, for the life of me I can not ever recall a time when it looked decent. I honestly am surprised it is still open. If I were going up to see my folks anytime soon I would love to help out but I have no idea when I will make it up there.

bohoki
01-09-2012, 5:55 PM
i too with a weeks notice would make time to pick up my weight in garbage but if we wait too long spring will come and the weeds will be 6 foot high

GMG
01-09-2012, 7:03 PM
That's a shame, but I've seen far worse in SoCal.

Donnovin
01-10-2012, 7:29 AM
BLM Ukiah Update:

I sent the following email to the BLM contact person four days ago. No response yet, so I'll try by phone again today. While we don't have to have their 40CY dumpster, it sure would simplify things. Also, we need their help closing the range while we clean up.

I am interested in helping to organize a group of people for a cleanup of the shooting range at North Cow Mountain. I understand that from time to time the BLM organizes a cleanup and that you are the point man for this effort.

We would be interested in participating in your cleanup, if possible, or may be interested in organizing a separate cleanup, depending on when you are planning your next one.

It may be that if you are able to arrange for a dumpster, we could supply the labor to fill it.

Please let me know your thoughts regarding this, as well as what we need to do to proceed.

When I have more info I will start a new post with a poll for various dates so we can pick one when more people can be there.

Thanks to those who have expressed an interest in coming out! The rest of you, don't be shy! This range is a great resource and it helps a lot to show the BLM that a there is a group that cares enough to come out and work. Further, while we say it is BLM land, actually, it belongs to us. It would be a shame if we couldn't get enough people to make a big difference in one day.

madballjs
01-14-2012, 11:19 PM
i just need to know the date this will be happening and I'll be there. i might be able to get some other people to come help out as well. sending you a PM now with Email

r3dn3ck
01-15-2012, 8:10 AM
I'm in for whenever it comes up. It'll be a 4 hour drive but needs done.

jgorman
01-15-2012, 10:27 AM
I'm down to help. I'm just over the hill on the coast. Have a truck, hand tools, and boxes of extra large trash bags.

bohoki
01-15-2012, 11:45 AM
i'm in just got back i brought a grabber and a garbage bag but didnt make a dent

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e366/bohoki/a.jpg

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i think i need a rake and a snow shovel

madballjs
01-15-2012, 12:31 PM
Wow that's way worse then the last time i went up there. We need to get this done. I hope BLM gets back about this effort soon.

bob_e95482
01-15-2012, 1:12 PM
PM me when ready. I could bring friends.

bohoki
01-15-2012, 1:34 PM
the worst bit is about halfway in there is a cliff that has a bunch of garbage and empty casings its like they couldnt wait 5 more minutes to make it to the range

moulton
01-15-2012, 10:02 PM
I would be able to help when I head back to California in April and I have a truck. A backhoe would make pretty fast work of removing the overgrown shrubbery, mounds of shotshell cases and shot up crap......

hakuna
01-20-2012, 2:36 PM
Hi guys,

We shoot over on the Lakeport side and there has been a serious problem here too, particularly late last year. We've been taking a trash bag every time we shoot, but we hope to arrange a cleanup day over on our side too. The rains are here now, so they'll probably have shut the gate, but when it reopens I'd like to see if we can get a few shooting crews to come out with pickup trucks. Post here if you want to join us...we shoot the "range" just north of the Riggs Road entrance and on the "mini-ranges" south off the creekbed. Some idiot dumped a bunch of carpet there last November. :mad:

Gary

Mesa Tactical
01-26-2012, 9:23 AM
And people wonder why we loose shooting areas....

IT'S THE MARXISTS AND SOCIALISTS IN THE GOVERNMENT! THEY HATE OUR FREEDOMS!
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BP707
02-08-2012, 8:24 PM
I was at cow Saturday Fish and game showed up for about 5 minutes then left. Any word on getting a clean up going?

Donnovin
02-09-2012, 9:52 AM
OK, I heard back from the BLM representative. He wrote:

Thank you for your offer. It would be a great service to BLM if we could get local help in maintaining the rifle range on North Cow. We generally try to do a cleanup in late spring after the road is dry enough to bring in a 20-40 yard dumpster. Cal Fire has always been generous with free inmate crew time to conduct this cleanup. We could always arrange an interim cleanup with your group or even a schedule for repeat events if you would be interested. We could supply bags and a smaller trailer to lessen the need for a large dumpster. We also have a need to keep the hillside above the turn into the rifle range (locally known as "Trash Hill") cleaned.

What I see as another need for a volunteer group is the range facility itself. I would like to see the benches refurbished or replaced, steps rebuilt and a retaining wall in front of the parking area to keep vehicles in the parking area. Another need is for a receptacle for the brass and shotgun shell.
Is this something you and your group would be interested in?

Thank You

Jeff

I wrote back to him:

Thanks for your reply. I will post your note to our group and see what we can put together regarding improvements. The group I am coordinating with is people who are members of the Calguns.net forum who use the range at Cow Mountain. They are typically more responsible sportsmen, and are also concerned about range quality, safety, and anything to help keep it as a viable resource.

I do have a few questions:

1) If we did interim cleanups, what time of year would you suggest as being most helpful for your purposes? I am planning on posting several dates on the forum so people can indicate which date(s) work best. That way we can get the best turnout.

2) Refurbishing the benches is a great idea. Maybe the tops could be replaced with concrete?

3) How would receptacles be managed? Great idea, but I can imagine they would fill up pretty quickly.

So, any thoughts about how to do concrete tops on the existing steel frames? Other ideas on how to keep it cleaner between their 'official' clean-ups?

I'll keep you posted on his response as related to timing. A scheduled clean-up seems like it might be a good idea as over the years it could gain momentum.

hakuna
02-09-2012, 11:08 AM
Hi,

I talked to the BLM guy and he is going to set up a dumpster for us to do the cleanup. We need to clean the "range" which is just north of the Scotts Creek entrance and slightly up the hill, but also down the river to the south and to the north as well. I don't know if we can even begin to cleanup the number of shotshells on the ground, but we can certainly get rid of the trash and carpet, etc.

The weather is pretty iffy this time of year and I'd like to be able to get as many people as possible, so I'm planning on scheduling a Saturday a bit later on in the spring. If you want to be notified so you can come give a hand, email me: hakuna AT pacific.net

Thanks,
Gary

polo.45
02-09-2012, 12:06 PM
I'm in ..... I work Saturdays but if I know what day i can Ask for a day off. I'll email you. It could be fun I have friends in Petaluma they are in too.. Early start 8- 10 am ...break for refreshments at noon and finish the day shooting ....:grilling:

BP707
02-09-2012, 3:30 PM
I agree and have access to a Bob cat...

madballjs
02-13-2012, 8:01 PM
do you have an idea of what month you might be looking at?

Turbinator
02-18-2012, 9:05 AM
Good job on the cleanup planning, guys! Looking forward to the "after" pictures.

Turby

bohoki
02-18-2012, 11:58 AM
like i said give me a pm if you have something set i'll be there

also try to get a burn permit and bring a metal drum to burn up the papers and wood that is probably 50-60 of trash

gunsnammo
02-21-2012, 8:49 PM
http://www.groupomatic.com/znrdj3om

might help to use a site like this.

top bee
02-26-2012, 1:04 PM
i was up there a couple of weekends ago and its not limited to the range, on the road up to the range and way up on the other side, when you take a right on the fork in the road to the range instead of left. i am a contractor and can bring tools to help rebuild the benches and retaining wall, maybe even some of my guys. lets get this baby done.

top bee
02-26-2012, 1:07 PM
more pics

madballjs
02-27-2012, 9:25 AM
Went up there yesterday there were casings everywhere. even worse then the last time i had gone up. Couldn't even police my brass it was so bad. Just picked up some from my area. I have some people that want to know when we are going to do the cleanup so they can come help out.

paul0660
02-27-2012, 9:31 AM
It costs about $125 for the BLM to hire a convict crew for a day. A dumpster is probably $200 with a surcharge for the bad road. Let them do it. I think the best thing to do is to post the BLM guys phone number so he knows it should be on the front burner. Before I joined the gun club I did this. At that time the BLM person was a woman who needed reminding, but it got done almost every year.

As far as changing the littering mindset up there, it is usually the problem of telling a half drunk armed person to clean up their act. Not easy.

It is possible that BLM has some discretionary money that can be spent on the tables and benches. Concrete is a great idea.

bohoki
02-27-2012, 7:30 PM
i'd love to go up and pick up stuff but i only have one can and my suv can barely hold 3 garbage cans and the blm cant just bring a dumster out or people will dump their house trash in it

shotshells are so easy to pick up with magnet tools

digging out the steps and pounding concrete stakes into rail road ties is going to take some skill that right side is pretty steep

bohoki
02-27-2012, 7:30 PM
i'd love to go up and pick up stuff but i only have one can and my suv can barely hold 3 garbage cans and the blm cant just bring a dumster out or people will dump their house trash in it

shotshells are so easy to pick up with magnet tools

digging out the steps and pounding concrete stakes into rail road ties is going to take some skill that right side is pretty steep

clb
03-06-2012, 10:01 AM
Any intrest in setting a date?
Bob e let me know. dont hit this site often.cb

top bee
03-06-2012, 10:27 AM
i am up for it, sounds like Donnovin is got good comunication with BLM can we make this happen???

ill bring the BBQs as well

tmuller
03-06-2012, 11:44 AM
Please email me if any date is set and I am more than willing to help the cleanup effort.

moulton
03-06-2012, 12:14 PM
Please email me if any date is set and I am more than willing to help the cleanup effort.

Like I said before, I'm down if we do it after I return to California ~ 16 of April :oji:

paul0660
03-06-2012, 12:19 PM
Like I said in my previous post, we will get more done with phone calls. But whatever makes you feel good.

C.Bronson
03-12-2012, 1:39 PM
Jezzzz, I haven't been up there since I was a kid. Not that it looked good when I was a kid but....now?, that is bad. I got a sis-in-law in Ukiah and would love to join in. Me and my lady don't have 4x4's (lol a camery and a 1966 AMC) but I'm in! Will bring snow shovel and work gloves. Just need a lift from downtown Ukiah....PM me when this is happening
Bart

Rubey
03-14-2012, 1:33 PM
I am more than willing to help clean up too. I would love to be updated on when a date is set to help. Went up a couple weekends ago... my first time at cow mountain and I would love to return more often since I am picking up a new rifle soon and its probably going to be the only range I practice at.

I was shocked at the mess up there and hope to help out as much as I can in keeping it clean.

I don't have 4x4s or vehicle that can hold much. But would love to pitch in if anyone in the Petaluma/Santa Rosa area wouldn't mind me coming along with them to help clean up.

PM me on the date.

R

clb
04-10-2012, 8:12 PM
Bump... blm wants a little lead time to post the closure in local news.
that way we get a clear range and dumpster . cb

bohoki
04-10-2012, 9:19 PM
the good thing with litterbugs is they are also lazy so not much garbage is past 50 yards of the firing line

bohoki
04-10-2012, 9:20 PM
the good thing with litterbugs is they are also lazy so not much garbage is past 50 yards of the firing line

ptroxx
04-10-2012, 9:40 PM
There are a group of us in the 707 banter thread that would be interested in helping out with this...

PLease let me know if there is anything you need from me.. Im good at organizing things like this.


http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?p=8380838&posted=1#post8380838

GillaFunk
04-11-2012, 8:24 AM
Just pick a weekend a few weeks out. Say, early to mid-May. It should be dry by then so we don't get covered in mud, or get our vehicles stuck in it. Get enough people committed, and a BLM big dumpster....we'll whip that place into shape.

weekend May 17/18/19?? Fri/Sat or Sat/Sun??

That will give BLM enough time to coordinate support/logistics, enough time for us to get the word out and plan for it.

Doing it over 2 days would allow different people to show up, so its not limited to one day and who can come on that ONE day.

Pick a date, start a "Cow Mountain Range Clean-up Day May XX and XX" and a sign-up roster. Get enough singed up, and it would show BLM WE care and have NO intention of letting that place go to chit and allow it to be shut-down.

Stay hard, Go Navy.

ptroxx
04-11-2012, 8:32 AM
Just pick a weekend a few weeks out. Say, early to mid-May. It should be dry by then so we don't get covered in mud, or get our vehicles stuck in it. Get enough people committed, and a BLM big dumpster....we'll whip that place into shape.

weekend May 17/18/19?? Fri/Sat or Sat/Sun??

That will give BLM enough time to coordinate support/logistics, enough time for us to get the word out and plan for it.

Doing it over 2 days would allow different people to show up, so its not limited to one day and who can come on that ONE day.

Pick a date, start a "Cow Mountain Range Clean-up Day May XX and XX" and a sign-up roster. Get enough singed up, and it would show BLM WE care and have NO intention of letting that place go to chit and allow it to be shut-down.

Stay hard, Go Navy.

I think they are on the right parth working with the BLM..
But they will need a good lead time like stated in past posts..
They have to advertise of the road closure and things like this..
Plus waiting a little longer will give the area to dry up...
You dont want to be picking up wet piles of trash thats for sure..
I may be able to talk to the guys at B2 and see if they can advertise the clean up in their store too..
I Was just tlaking about Cow Mountain with them last week when I was in there...

This is a great idea so please keep up 707-banter guys updated..

clb
04-11-2012, 9:11 AM
i was up there a couple of weekends ago and its not limited to the range, on the road up to the range and way up on the other side, when you take a right on the fork in the road to the range instead of left. i am a contractor and can bring tools to help rebuild the benches and retaining wall, maybe even some of my guys. lets get this baby done.

I have a b lic. let me know when yer gunna do some building and i will haul some tools up.

BomarFab
04-11-2012, 9:57 AM
I'm in for helping out.

GillaFunk
04-11-2012, 10:39 AM
I think they are on the right parth working with the BLM..
But they will need a good lead time like stated in past posts..


Good point.

Donnovan, I guess we'll wait for you and your BLM contact to pick the dates.

I'd think a Fri/Sat or Sat/Sun would be ideal :oji:

paul0660
04-11-2012, 10:44 AM
My post #56 still stands. Call BLM and tell them you want it cleaned up. They can get it done.

clb
04-11-2012, 4:05 PM
My post #56 still stands. Call BLM and tell them you want it cleaned up. They can get it done.




Agreed... now a ?-----
You ever worked in the fed-state government?????

ptroxx
04-11-2012, 4:33 PM
My post #56 still stands. Call BLM and tell them you want it cleaned up. They can get it done.

I think if you read that has already done and its in the works..

ptroxx
04-11-2012, 4:34 PM
Keep us updated- Im usally busy with car events stating this time of the year, but If im available im in..
Im always free on sundays....I can record my nascar races and do a sunday


OK, I heard back from the BLM representative. He wrote:

Thank you for your offer. It would be a great service to BLM if we could get local help in maintaining the rifle range on North Cow. We generally try to do a cleanup in late spring after the road is dry enough to bring in a 20-40 yard dumpster. Cal Fire has always been generous with free inmate crew time to conduct this cleanup. We could always arrange an interim cleanup with your group or even a schedule for repeat events if you would be interested. We could supply bags and a smaller trailer to lessen the need for a large dumpster. We also have a need to keep the hillside above the turn into the rifle range (locally known as "Trash Hill") cleaned.

What I see as another need for a volunteer group is the range facility itself. I would like to see the benches refurbished or replaced, steps rebuilt and a retaining wall in front of the parking area to keep vehicles in the parking area. Another need is for a receptacle for the brass and shotgun shell.
Is this something you and your group would be interested in?

Thank You

Jeff

I wrote back to him:

Thanks for your reply. I will post your note to our group and see what we can put together regarding improvements. The group I am coordinating with is people who are members of the Calguns.net forum who use the range at Cow Mountain. They are typically more responsible sportsmen, and are also concerned about range quality, safety, and anything to help keep it as a viable resource.

I do have a few questions:

1) If we did interim cleanups, what time of year would you suggest as being most helpful for your purposes? I am planning on posting several dates on the forum so people can indicate which date(s) work best. That way we can get the best turnout.

2) Refurbishing the benches is a great idea. Maybe the tops could be replaced with concrete?

3) How would receptacles be managed? Great idea, but I can imagine they would fill up pretty quickly.

So, any thoughts about how to do concrete tops on the existing steel frames? Other ideas on how to keep it cleaner between their 'official' clean-ups?

I'll keep you posted on his response as related to timing. A scheduled clean-up seems like it might be a good idea as over the years it could gain momentum.

bohoki
04-11-2012, 8:45 PM
with all teh stuff going on there i'm shocked that they dont put up the concrete barriers and shut it downUckMW4Jv96g


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clb
04-16-2012, 8:47 AM
Stirring the pot....
headed up this weekend to wheel, will go into range to look at benchrest framing.

ptroxx
04-16-2012, 9:41 AM
Any new updates on a date for clean up ?

clb
04-18-2012, 5:34 PM
South cow is closed for s.r. dirt bike race... so i cant get in till next weekend for pics of bench rest's.

bob_e95482
04-19-2012, 7:58 PM
The rifle range is in the No. Cow Mtn. area, and is not subject to the closure that the So. area will be under.

clb
04-19-2012, 8:43 PM
Thanx... Was supposed to go wheeling with the 4x4 club,, figured i could hit the range for pics...
if i don't get up this weekend i will soon.

top bee
04-30-2012, 4:01 PM
hi All are we getting closer to a schedule?

madballjs
04-30-2012, 4:39 PM
Fire season will be starting soon and I'm not sure what my schedule will be like but if it happens within the next 2 weekends I'm in. other wise I'll have to wait till I find out what my work schedule is going to be. I'm hoping it'll be such that i can help out with this.

clb
05-06-2012, 11:05 AM
Went up and took some shots of the benchrests.... my effing camera took video and i don't know how to process them. will try again next trip...
the bases are like 3"angle with lags up thru so makong a form for create should be easy and putting in some cast in bolts for atatchment .
will try again soon.

Mrbroom
05-10-2012, 3:50 PM
Hello all. I have had great success in getting waste haulers (Waste Management, Consolidated and others) to participate in community clean up's. They donate the trash bags, hand pickers, 25yd or 40rd cubic bins and so on. It is great PR for them and most of them have it within thier advertising budgets to do this. If someone wants to shoot me a PM the next time a clean up will take place, I can look into the public relations folks with the firms in that area. All my success has been in the LA area, so be advised..

clb
05-18-2012, 5:47 PM
Stirrin the pot

Ism415
05-18-2012, 6:07 PM
I am game to join in

Donnovin
05-18-2012, 10:14 PM
Hello All,

My apologies for going MIA.

I haven't logged in with an update since February. At that time I had been trying to get in touch with the BLM rep (Jeff Tunnel) and was not getting any feedback at that time. My sense was that they were not interested in arranging for a dumpster until the rains were done for the season. My last communication was not answered. In that email, I indicated that there was a group ready to donate time toward a clean up if they would just suggest a date or range of dates. I didn't hear anything back. I will try again this next week and hopefully it will be something useful to the BLM and they will respond.

I've been told that they already have a program wherein they bring in inmates to clean up during the summer. Maybe that's all the effort they want to put into it each year. Mr. Tunnel did suggest that it would be great if we would rebuild the benches, or build a wall (?) at the base of the slope to keep people from driving up. I really didn't quite understand the wall request, but, it's what they indicated they wanted. I asked for details, but again, did not hear anything back.

Regarding rebuilding the benches, it seems that getting and installing new wood tops would be a big plus, or, somehow installing concrete tops. Anyone want to get together to plan that upgrade? If so, PM me and we can try to get a group together to do that work. Ideally the BLM would provide wood, and we could provide the labor to remove the old wood tops and put in new ones. I have a 12" chop saw and tools for demo and installation, but we would need a generator to run the saw. I'll ask about wood from the BLM in the email I send to Mr. Tunnel on Monday.

Anyhow, again, my apologies for unplugging. I was not so encouraged by the lack of response from BLM. I imagine they have other priorities, and are probably understaffed. I'll give it one more try. I'll reach out day after tomorrow, by phone and email, and will report back before the end of the week.

best,

JD

bohoki
05-19-2012, 9:48 AM
just went up this week and they had the CCC do a clean up at trash cliff so its fairly clean right there

i kind of like the trash out on the range it gives you lots of things to aim at

clb
05-19-2012, 8:40 PM
468-4000 ukiah feild office... ask for public relations guy...
i have called twice and got him in person both times

dem0critus
05-25-2012, 1:42 AM
holy crap....

clb
05-31-2012, 9:25 PM
I have one shot this month to get up for pics of the benches... IS THIS GUNNA HAPPEN???
do we need a new point man?!?

clb
06-09-2012, 9:02 PM
Stirrin the pot... I'm out for the rest o the month.
try on the first...

zfields
06-09-2012, 9:20 PM
That's sad to hear how bad it's gotten. That was one of the first places I ever shot.

Sent from my Incredible 2 using Tapatalk 2

ShooterDK
06-14-2012, 7:49 PM
So is there ever going to be a clean up at Cow Mountain? A lot of talk and banter but... ???

bergmen
06-15-2012, 4:12 PM
I live in Ukiah, have a pickup truck and three adult kids (can't really call them "kids" anymore) that are eager to help.

I also have a small tractor with a bucket on the front and a box grader on the back. No trailer to haul it but I would be willing to rent one if it could help.

I'll PM Donnovin with this same info and see if there is a good time for this. I would be willing to go solo (with the kids) but would like an official shutdown announced so we don't have to deal with any public disgruntlement.

Dan

bergmen
06-15-2012, 4:16 PM
Also, I think it would be a good idea to have some sort of serious signage that calls for everyone that uses the range to clean up after themselves, no dumping, etc.

These could be at the range itself and at the beginning of the road into north Cow.

Dan

bergmen
06-15-2012, 4:27 PM
Speak of the devil:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=571604

Signs made for a project in southern California.

I'll commit to donating $100.00 towards signs like this for Cow, I would be glad to do it.

Dan

Eat Dirt
06-16-2012, 10:09 AM
Speak of the devil:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=571604

Signs made for a project in southern California.

I'll commit to donating $100.00 towards signs like this for Cow, I would be glad to do it.

Dan

I'm the guy with the signs .
How many do you need ??

Just send me a few $$ for postage and mailing and I'll send some up
The new one saay " this Area ....cleaned by Cal-Guns "

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f365/eatdirt76/013-2.jpg

bergmen
06-16-2012, 11:39 AM
I'm the guy with the signs .
How many do you need ??

Just send me a few $$ for postage and mailing and I'll send some up
The new one saay " this Area ....cleaned by Cal-Guns "

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f365/eatdirt76/013-2.jpg

PERFECT. How about ten signs (I'd rather have a few extras). I will cover all costs + your gas money (+ a sixer of your favorite brew).

E-mail me at bergmen-at-pacific-dot-net (@.) with your snail addy and I will gladly send you a check.

This is great, thank you so much for doing this, I (we) really appreciate it!

Dan

russianriver
06-22-2012, 4:37 PM
Hi all, I will be up at Cow Mountain this coming Monday with some friends to shoot and relax for a few hours. We will bring along some garbage cans, bags, rakes to square up the area as much as we can. Should be a beautiful day.

Eat Dirt
06-22-2012, 5:07 PM
Bergman .

5 " Clean-up " signs are on the way to you / Mailed out today

Hope they help

bergmen
06-22-2012, 5:13 PM
Bergmen .

5 " Clean-up " signs are on the way to you / Mailed out today

Hope they help

Thank you sir, your are a scholar and a gentleman.

I plan to recon north Cow as soon as I can. Chart mileage from the entry road sign to shooting areas needing cleaning and getting photographs of same. Hopefully this Sunday (6-24). I'll be out of town tomorrow (Saturday) on the motorcycle.

Dan

bob_e95482
06-22-2012, 7:02 PM
I plan on shooting at Cow tomorrow morning.

wjc
06-22-2012, 8:50 PM
Those signs are pure awesome!

Eat Dirt,

Would it be a good idea to have a sticky indicating you are the contact for the signs so we don't lose that in the threads? Might make it easier for others to get them.

bob_e95482
06-23-2012, 4:38 PM
The top of the hill before the range has been cleaned. All the big stuff has been hauled out of the rifle range itself. Doesn't look too bad.

bergmen
06-25-2012, 8:56 AM
I went up to North Cow yesterday to inspect each of the many shooting areas and photograph the debris at each to get a handle on the scope of the problem(s). Most of the trash and debris that I encountered would be very easy to rake up and place into garbage bags (brass, shotgun shells, soda pop bottles, cardboard boxes, paper targets, chunks of wood, etc.). This amounted to at least 80% of what I saw (with a few exceptions).

I have many photographs with descriptions of locations so this will take a few posts to report.

I followed the map (maps available at Ukiah BLM Office) and drove the entire available roads (except the road down to the Mayacmas Campground) up to the end at the CDF Water Tank.

Here is the first series:

http://inlinethumb07.webshots.com/49734/2771343180053667879S600x600Q85.jpg

For the first 3/4 mile or so it is a pretty steep climb into the area. Road is in decent shape with a few ruts and depressions here and there. Pretty easy to navigate and 4WD is not required. I have an LSD and all-terrain tires on my truck and it was eezee peezee.

The first shooting area is on the left, 1.8 miles from the entry:

http://inlinethumb12.webshots.com/51019/2988358440053667879S600x600Q85.jpg http://inlinethumb52.webshots.com/40115/2857956890053667879S600x600Q85.jpg

http://inlinethumb47.webshots.com/30382/2417921870053667879S600x600Q85.jpg

Swinging to the left a bit:

http://inlinethumb41.webshots.com/51368/2246507610053667879S600x600Q85.jpg

Continued...

bergmen
06-25-2012, 9:02 AM
Second shooting area is 2.2 miles up on the right. This is just opposite a locked gate leading to a popular trail head for hikers and mountain bikers:

http://inlinethumb18.webshots.com/40081/2884092480053667879S600x600Q85.jpg http://inlinethumb25.webshots.com/34584/2058122820053667879S600x600Q85.jpg

Not much debris here, this is the cleanest I've ever seen this area it is usually pretty trashed out.

At 2.5 miles there is a "T" in the road, to the left is Willow Creek and the designated Rifle Range. I went left.

http://inlinethumb21.webshots.com/35924/2868451620053667879S600x600Q85.jpg

The next fork in the road, Willow Creek to the left, Rifle Range to the right. I went left again:

http://inlinethumb04.webshots.com/21507/2794100130053667879S600x600Q85.jpg

I had never been down this road before. People have used this as a shooting area also. The road is short and dead-ends in about 1/4 mile. About half way, I encounter the first shooting area on the right:

http://inlinethumb55.webshots.com/44598/2709298420053667879S600x600Q85.jpg

Pretty clean with a few targets and shotgun shells on the road.

Continued...

bergmen
06-25-2012, 9:12 AM
With the end of the road in sight at Willow Creek, there is another shooting area:

http://inlinethumb51.webshots.com/36018/2472040480053667879S600x600Q85.jpg http://inlinethumb20.webshots.com/50195/2779719510053667879S600x600Q85.jpg

Light debris, targets, shotgun shells and brass.

Next up is the Rifle Range. When I arrived there were 2-3 trucks with shooters at the benches. I didn't want anyone to feel self concious about me with a camera so I avoided taking pictures of the people and benches. Although it is a mess, this is the cleanest I've seen this place (although I haven't been here in a year or so). Still plenty of trash and debris but most can be placed in garbage bags. No T.V.'s, refrigerators, computers or junk that would take a tractor to pick up (as I've seen before).

http://inlinethumb64.webshots.com/50239/2138301940053667879S600x600Q85.jpg http://inlinethumb19.webshots.com/34834/2285796030053667879S600x600Q85.jpg

http://inlinethumb44.webshots.com/50923/2369997020053667879S600x600Q85.jpg http://inlinethumb42.webshots.com/47913/2714705570053667879S600x600Q85.jpg

Continued...

bergmen
06-25-2012, 9:27 AM
After leaving the Rifle Range, I headed up the road taking the right fork at the "T" (left goes to range).

The next shooting area encountered is at Mendo Rock Overlook which is about 5.5 miles in. There is a large turnout on the right which is a popular place for shotgunners since there is a large slope for throwing clay pigeons.

http://inlinethumb20.webshots.com/45331/2250950860053667879S600x600Q85.jpg http://inlinethumb57.webshots.com/37048/2220761780053667879S600x600Q85.jpg

Mendo Rock as seen from the turnout:

http://inlinethumb18.webshots.com/48465/2283682080053667879S600x600Q85.jpg

This area has also been cleaned since I've been here. Still lots of shells and light debris but not as trashy as before.

After this is the turnoff to the Mayacmas Campground:

http://inlinethumb60.webshots.com/50555/2687520080053667879S600x600Q85.jpg

Continued...

bergmen
06-25-2012, 9:38 AM
I continue straight ahead towards the end of the road. Just after the campground turnoff there is a large turnout on the right that is used as a shooting area:

http://inlinethumb18.webshots.com/41297/2350907770053667879S600x600Q85.jpg http://inlinethumb22.webshots.com/33685/2614738860053667879S600x600Q85.jpg

Pretty clean, really. Not too much debris here.

Next up, end of road at the CDF Water Tank:

http://inlinethumb14.webshots.com/35725/2229193500053667879S600x600Q85.jpg http://inlinethumb09.webshots.com/49672/2243629940053667879S600x600Q85.jpg

Somewhat trashy, lots of inconsiderate vandalism and signs shot up. The real mess is down the canyon to the right where there are pallets, wood and other sizeable chunks of debris. I don't know how people are getting down there (no road) so they must be carrying to down the paths:

http://inlinethumb09.webshots.com/35528/2184476430053667879S600x600Q85.jpg http://inlinethumb14.webshots.com/32013/2576295180053667879S600x600Q85.jpg

bergmen
06-25-2012, 9:57 AM
So there are about seven shooting areas I covered plus the Rifle Range. All need some level of cleanup. Many of the shooting areas are small and can be cleaned up with a small crew and a day with a rake and shovel + several garbage bags. The Rifle Range could use a crew, notification to the BLM office and plenty of tools and garbage bags.

I'm not sure if the best way to do a cleanup is to schedule an organized task with several volunteers on a given day or to encourage small groups to have at it on their own. I'm inclined to suggest the latter.

I think what I am going to try is to go prepared to do a clean-up session every time I go to do some shooting. I always bring my adult children with me so we can whip out a cleanup in short order. My kids dive right into tasks like this and they would be glad to help.

I'm only a few miles away, have a pickup truck and would be glad to participate in any designated cleanup effort. I'm not in a position to organize or lead such an effort but would gladly volunteer.

I have five CalGuns cleanup signs heading my way thanks to "Eat Dirt" that I will be posting after one of my cleanup sessions. I can make these available to anyone else who does the same.

My plan would be for me (and my crew) to start at the first shooting area (1.8 miles in), clean it up and post a sign. That would set the stage so to speak. I would inform BLM of my intentions so they are in the loop and are aware of the effort and signage.

So that's it. Any thoughts?

Dan

Porter707
06-25-2012, 10:06 AM
I was actually there at the Rifle Range when you pulled up to Photograph it.

It's the first time I've been up there since getting out, so it's been about 6 years since my last time being up there, but it was MUCH cleaner this time.

Quite funny you showed up to photograph though because I was telling my Dad on the way up there that CalGuns.net was trying to put together a clean up, then I overheard you talking to the Couple at the first bench about CalGuns.

Anyway my Dad said if a event is scheduled to do a big clean up he can attend (as long as work permits) , and I would willing attend as well.

bergmen
06-25-2012, 11:03 AM
I was actually there at the Rifle Range when you pulled up to Photograph it.

It's the first time I've been up there since getting out, so it's been about 6 years since my last time being up there, but it was MUCH cleaner this time.

Quite funny you showed up to photograph though because I was telling my Dad on the way up there that CalGuns.net was trying to put together a clean up, then I overheard you talking to the Couple at the first bench about CalGuns.

Anyway my Dad said if a event is scheduled to do a big clean up he can attend (as long as work permits) , and I would willing attend as well.

Cool! As I stepped out of the truck I felt pretty self conscious since for all anyone would know I could have been from Handgun Control photographing evil gun owners. Sorry I missed introducing myself and talking to you.

I tried to keep it low key (I wish I had worn my NRA shirt at least) and specifically avoided creating any discomfort. I wasn't thinking ahead because it would have been a good opportunity to discuss what I was there for.

Poor guy I was talking to had a brand new M1A with the safety locked with a cheap padlock but forgot the key at home. He was hoping I had a saw, heavy cutters, anything that would bust the lock but I had nothing.

I'll report when I head up for shooting/cleaning in the next few weeks I presume.

Dan

GillaFunk
06-25-2012, 11:08 AM
Seems like its mostly shotgun shooters causing the mess.

LAME!! Fooking people baffle me as shotgun shells are SOOOOO HARD TO PICK UP (rolls eyes)

polo.45
06-25-2012, 11:21 AM
I clean ofter my self and people laugh of me cleaning up... I hope is no one from this thread... I volunteer to join the clean up team... But if I can't make it I just keep doing what I do..

bergmen
06-25-2012, 2:40 PM
Bergmen .

5 " Clean-up " signs are on the way to you / Mailed out today

Hope they help

Hey, just got the signs in the mail today. MANY THANKS!

These look great, I plan to use them when I start my cleanup routine. I told my kids, they are all for it.

I'll report with pics after the first "session".

Dan

russianriver
06-27-2012, 7:53 AM
My helper and I were at Cow Mountain rifle range Monday and had a great time there. We were alone most of the day till 3:30 or so when a few locals showed up. After going thru 500 or so rounds of different calibers we broke out the rakes, shovels, and garbage bags. Came home with 9 full bags and i 60 gallon garbage can full of shooting debris. Mostly shotgun shells and paper/cardboard boxes and as much brass as we could scrape up. Lots of old brass buried around the tables (which were in pretty bad shape). Will be taking this load to the dump Thursday. I will be keeping an eye on this thread and am willing to help with a more organized clean up. I took a few photos and will post this evening of what we saw there. I was happy to see the hanging targets at 300 and 500(?) yards out and happier that I was hitting them with my '94 long rifle. Chris.

bergmen
06-27-2012, 8:40 AM
Hey Chris, excellent news. I'm looking forward to seeing the pictures. I don't know when I'll get up there next, maybe this weekend. I'm off for a four day motorcycle trip the following weekend.

Dan

bohoki
06-27-2012, 9:39 AM
i was just there yesterday and the place did look a tad cleaner at least around the benches still tonnes of shotshells strewn

a full dumpster would barely make a dent

mmayer707
06-27-2012, 6:38 PM
I used to go 4 wheeling there in the late 90's. It was never this bad. Pretty ridiculous.

XVIga_Rob
06-27-2012, 9:22 PM
I only get to Cow about 3 or so times a year. I will be at the lake in Aug and will make a trip to Cow. As usual, I'll pack out what I brought, plus some. If there will be a scheduled clean-up, let me know the dates.

P.S. Porter. Good to see a fellow trooper here!
Rob

clb
06-28-2012, 6:25 PM
Just got back from rubicon..
been offline
STIRRING THE POT.
CB

XVIga_Rob
06-28-2012, 7:53 PM
Just got back from rubicon..
been offline
STIRRING THE POT.
CB

Was just up there on Father's Day weekend.

clb
06-29-2012, 5:33 PM
Was just up there on Father's Day weekend.

Did i miss a group cleanup???
Hope not. cb

bergmen
06-29-2012, 6:11 PM
Did i miss a group cleanup???
Hope not. cb

Take a look at my post #115, I basically recommend individual efforts at all of the shooting areas except the Rifle Range.

My opinion is a cleanup effort can take place at the Range but if it is to be comprehensive, BLM should be notified and a formal closure activated for safety reasons, especially since there is debris downrange.

A lot of very worthy cleanup can be done at the Range around the shooting benches and parking lot with rakes, shovels and garbage bags.

My next move is to do a clean-up at the first noted shooting area 1.8 miles in on the left (see pictures in posts above #115) and post a sign. I think that might set the stage for responsible use of other shooting areas and show that Calgunners were there.

Dan

bohoki
06-29-2012, 8:09 PM
My opinion is a cleanup effort can take place at the Range but if it is to be comprehensive, BLM should be notified and a formal closure activated for safety reasons, especially since there is debris downrange.

A lot of very worthy cleanup can be done at the Range around the shooting benches and parking lot with rakes, shovels and garbage bags.


Dan



there is hours of work behind the firing line it will take a small pickup just to get the stuff that has been shot over the 50 yard berm

cleaning downrange is a lost cause

BP707
06-30-2012, 1:31 AM
is anyone interested in going up on a Saturday or Sunday to shoot fora bit, clean up for a bit then shoot some more???

clb
06-30-2012, 7:21 PM
is anyone interested in going up on a Saturday or Sunday to shoot fora bit, clean up for a bit then shoot some more???

Possibly next sat.
pulling p.m. on the crawler tomorrow.

bergmen
06-30-2012, 8:02 PM
Possibly next sat.
pulling p.m. on the crawler tomorrow.

I'm busy this weekend on the farm, next weekend exploring California and Oregon back roads on a sport-touring motorcycle.

After that is a possibility. I will be checking this thread on a daily basis.

Dan

Brassthief
06-30-2012, 8:56 PM
I don't have a truck but would be willing to go shooting/cleaning with someone who does. Preferably with a group though as the place sounds a bit sketchy. I'm in Ukiah and available tomorrow (sunday) or next weekend as well. Send me a PM with contact info please if anyone with a pickup is going and I will help you fill it.

JBaus
07-01-2012, 9:35 PM
Way to go people, I went up there for the first time a few months ago and we picked up all our stuff, but the river of spent shotty casings on the left side as you look up from the parking area was a crazy rainbow of casings. If an official clean-up is planned, please let us all know!

Tmckinney
07-02-2012, 10:42 AM
Went hunting at Cow early this month--no pigs unfortunately. Could not belive what it looked like. Past the range are other "shooting areas" people have made and brass and trash everywhere. I live 9 hours away or I would be down to help. Good luck Guys

zperk
07-02-2012, 2:49 PM
Would it be possible to get GPS coordinates/map/directions to the Lakeport side shooting area of Cow Mountain? I'll be in Lakeport for the weekend after Fourth of July, and I'd like to check it out.

I'll be sure to bring trash bags and pack out more than I bring in.

bohoki
07-02-2012, 10:29 PM
Would it be possible to get GPS coordinates/map/directions to the Lakeport side shooting area of Cow Mountain? I'll be in Lakeport for the weekend after Fourth of July, and I'd like to check it out.

I'll be sure to bring trash bags and pack out more than I bring in.

there is no official shooting range that side its basically an ohv area so you will run into quads and dirt bikers and the occasional rock crawler

i used to go here

39,02,58,85n
122,59,06,96w


but basically any place you can shoot into a hillside that is safe is ok

there are camping spots all over so keep an eye out that side is generally not so much trashed by shooters but by party people

you need a vehicle that can handle medium rough terrain as you will be driving in a dry riverbed

paul0660
07-02-2012, 10:31 PM
To get the mountain cleaned up, the best use of your time is to call BLM at the numbers listed before.

zperk
07-03-2012, 10:41 AM
Thanks bohoki!

clb
07-10-2012, 6:04 PM
Stirring the pot

Donnovin
08-13-2012, 9:30 AM
Hello All,

As my efforts to develop a dialogue with Jeff Tunnell of the BLM have not gained any traction, at this point I am defaulting to the position of taking a few garbage bags up each time I go, and hauling out as much as I can carry home.

I would rather do a group clean-up as I think it's a great way to have a more significant impact, but, BLM does not return my calls. It seems that they are not so interested in expending the energy to partner with the general public in staging a clean up. It is possible that they are short staffed and have other more important things to deal with. Even so, returning a phone call is not that tough, even if it is to say 'thanks, but no thanks'.

I would be happy for anyone else to check in with Mr. Tunnell and carry this forward. It may be that someone else has a relationship with him and can get a meaningful dialogue going. His direct line is 707-468-4053. When I called the 707-468-4000 number, they forwarded me to him.

The one time I got Mr. Tunnell on the phone at the beginning of the year, he indicated that they have prisoners clean it once or twice a year. He also indicated that they could arrange for a dumpster to be delivered, but has not been able to confirm any date or range of dates for doing this.

For a larger group clean-up we need the BLM's approval and involvement as the range would have to be closed to keep it safe. If we gather as a group and close the range unilaterally, that could be a problem for those that show up unaware that the range is 'closed'.

Regarding rebuilding the bench tops, I sense that the way to get this done is to just do it, one or two benches at a time. Next time I go, I will get measurements to figure out a materials list. We can consider either a concrete or wood top.

As far as the signs go, that is a great idea if we can regularly keep it clean. Be careful though, as once the sign is there, CalGuns is associated with whatever condition the place is in. Also, BLM is doing bi-annual cleaning, so CalGuns can't take all the credit.

Last item, be safe up there. Over the past year, on two occasions, I have driven up and left without shooting due to unsafe shooters on the line. It isn't often, but there are times that folks show up and do not follow basic safety protocol; muzzle sweeps, loading while there are people downrange, guns on the benches pointed every which way, loaded weapons during cease fire, etc, etc.

with best regards,

Joe

bergmen
08-13-2012, 11:26 AM
Hello All,

As my efforts to develop a dialogue with Jeff Tunnell of the BLM have not gained any traction, at this point I am defaulting to the position of taking a few garbage bags up each time I go, and hauling out as much as I can carry home.

I would rather do a group clean-up as I think it's a great way to have a more significant impact, but, BLM does not return my calls. It seems that they are not so interested in expending the energy to partner with the general public in staging a clean up. It is possible that they are short staffed and have other more important things to deal with. Even so, returning a phone call is not that tough, even if it is to say 'thanks, but no thanks'.

I would be happy for anyone else to check in with Mr. Tunnell and carry this forward. It may be that someone else has a relationship with him and can get a meaningful dialogue going. His direct line is 707-468-4053. When I called the 707-468-4000 number, they forwarded me to him.

The one time I got Mr. Tunnell on the phone at the beginning of the year, he indicated that they have prisoners clean it once or twice a year. He also indicated that they could arrange for a dumpster to be delivered, but has not been able to confirm any date or range of dates for doing this.

For a larger group clean-up we need the BLM's approval and involvement as the range would have to be closed to keep it safe. If we gather as a group and close the range unilaterally, that could be a problem for those that show up unaware that the range is 'closed'.

Regarding rebuilding the bench tops, I sense that the way to get this done is to just do it, one or two benches at a time. Next time I go, I will get measurements to figure out a materials list. We can consider either a concrete or wood top.

As far as the signs go, that is a great idea if we can regularly keep it clean. Be careful though, as once the sign is there, CalGuns is associated with whatever condition the place is in. Also, BLM is doing bi-annual cleaning, so CalGuns can't take all the credit.

Last item, be safe up there. Over the past year, on two occasions, I have driven up and left without shooting due to unsafe shooters on the line. It isn't often, but there are times that folks show up and do not follow basic safety protocol; muzzle sweeps, loading while there are people downrange, guns on the benches pointed every which way, loaded weapons during cease fire, etc, etc.

with best regards,

Joe

Thanks for the update, Joe. I have the signs that were sent to me by Eat Dirt but I have not had any free time lately to go up there and begin my personal cleanup gig.

Thanks for the heads-up on the usage of the signs, I had not considered that. I think if I do use the signs it would be at the first shooting area (in my set of photos) just to get the general point across. I think based on your suggestion that I would go up a week or two later and remove it.

I'm also a bit concerned that some slob would shoot it up as a target (many signs at North Cow are shot up) and that would really defeat the whole purpose.

They had a pretty big fire up there a week or so ago, I haven't been there to see the damage yet. It has also been hotter than heck lately and that alone has kept me away.

If I do get up there soon, I'll report here.

Dan

beenawhile
08-14-2012, 8:34 PM
Im trying to get a small group if friends to go up(guys and girls) but the girls want know if there are bathrooms there? I figured this would be the place to ask. Thanks

bohoki
08-14-2012, 11:14 PM
Im trying to get a small group if friends to go up(guys and girls) but the girls want know if there are bathrooms there? I figured this would be the place to ask. Thanks

no toilets within a mile of the range i think there are some at the camp sites

let me know i'll bring a portapottie and hold up a beach towel for them

http://www.blm.gov/ca/st/en/fo/ukiah/cowmtn.html

clb
09-03-2012, 7:33 AM
Stirrin the pot.
one guy and a trashbag once in a while will only hold off the debris.

bergmen
09-03-2012, 8:56 AM
My son Steven and I went up to Cow last Sunday for a short session. It was not planned since we went to the Ukiah Gun Club to sight in a couple of rifles (one new, one just back from the 'smith after a complete makeover) and my son needed to test a few batches of reloads for his M2 Garand.

The idiots at UGC did not post on the web that the rifle range was closed for some special NRA training course so we left there and headed straight for Cow.

Since I had not planned to go there in the first place I had no rake/bags/shovels, etc. We shot at the Willow Creek area which is to the left of the rifle range. It was actually fairly clean but could have used a quick raking/bagging session. Next run I'll go prepared.

The fire a few weeks ago really tore up the canyon when you are climbing up into the place. It burned on both sides of the entry road before diverting to the south. It didn't hit the rifle range but since Steven and I never went past Willow Creek we didn't see what else was burned. I'm just glad we weren't there when the fire started since there is no way out up on top.

Dan