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M. Sage
03-08-2007, 6:09 PM
I just got my K31 no-bubba scope mount from HKRob (thanks again!) and now I need a scope to go into it.

I don't want to spend a ton of money, in fact I can't spend a ton of money, but want something ok. This is a pretty accurate rifle. I was thinking of a variable-power, this one in particular.

http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=411230

Opinions?

6172crew
03-08-2007, 6:17 PM
1 vote "No" on the BSA.:)

The busnell elite series is cheap and nice, for under $200 you can get something you keep.

$200 wont take a guy long to save if hes motivated.

five.five-six
03-08-2007, 6:31 PM
1 vote "No" on the BSA.:)

The busnell elite series is cheap and nice, for under $200 you can get something you keep.

$200 wont take a guy long to save if hes motivated.

+100 do not buy a cheep scope, I have a busnell elite on my .300WM it is quite servicable..


I put a cheepo on a $2k AR10 and wanted to throw the whole thing in the trash.....till mr. lupold fixed it... now ai love it :)

M. Sage
03-08-2007, 10:31 PM
Ok, so two votes for a scope that cost $50 more than the rifle. :p I do want something nice, though. Suppose I'll have to hit the $200 range, since this rifle shoots like something worth a lot more than a buck fifty.

Thanks, guys. Keep 'em coming!

bwiese
03-08-2007, 10:43 PM
A Burris 3-9x40 can sometimes be had for $170.

Good clear glass, stable internal mechanics. IMHO better than Leupold Rifleman and VXI/VXII scopes.

randy
03-09-2007, 1:44 AM
simmmons pro diamond from www.cdnninvestments.com can be had for delivered for under $70.00 lots of 3 gun shooters use them.

good luck

E Pluribus Unum
03-09-2007, 1:46 AM
Reccomend me a scope

I prefer peppermint... all the new flavors are just yucky... what I hate is when I cough and it comes out my nose...:eek:

M. Sage
03-09-2007, 6:08 AM
I prefer peppermint... all the new flavors are just yucky... what I hate is when I cough and it comes out my nose...:eek:

Scope with a lower case s, not a capital S! :p

Is the Simmons really as good as the others? After some time to think about it, I'm not really happy with the cheapo scope I got for my .22, so I could be looking at saving up for a higher-end setup.

dfletcher
03-09-2007, 6:20 AM
Most of the "no Bubba" mounts I've seen are the forward mount type using the sight base & EER scop - I presume your's is different & a conventional scope is OK.

Check out the Nikon ProStaffs, they're about $125.00. Even Leupold sells their Rifleman line for about $175.00. Both are 2 to 7X which should be fine.

Just a thought, I tend to put older steel Weavers on the 50+ year old rifles I own. I know the optics aren't best, but to me an old rifle with a brand new scope looks a bit off. I know this is favoring style over function, but it's just my preference.

6172crew
03-09-2007, 6:22 AM
I think the Bushnell 3200 elite tactical is under the $200 mark, the glass is cleaner and a bit brighter than the super sniper scope line but has mildots so if you ever wanted to get into playing with that you would have already bought one, plus you could move it over to a AR15 Varmint or other platform that a fixed 10 power would work.

I also hear the Burris Blackdiamond line is great as well and the lower priced VX models Leupold offers. Did I hear that Nikon supplies the glass for the Leupolds?

By the time you get dont with your resaerch you will have saved teh extra $$ to buy the $200 model.:)

lazuris
03-09-2007, 6:35 AM
the standard rule of thumb is: price of gun = price of scope.

shark92651
03-09-2007, 11:19 AM
the standard rule of thumb is: price of gun = price of scope.

I would go out on a limb and say most people do not follow that rule. Is this really true? I have about $1500 in my rifle - what would I gain by spending an additional grand on a scope? I admit I do not have any experience with expensive scopes so maybe I can't appreciate the difference.

guimus
03-09-2007, 11:29 AM
I would go out on a limb and say most people do not follow that rule. Is this really true? I have about $1500 in my rifle - what would I gain by spending an additional grand on a scope? I admit I do not have any experience with expensive scopes so maybe I can't appreciate the difference.

agreed. From my experience, quality and price are pretty closely related until about the 200 dollar mark. Once you hit that, you have several decent-quality, reputable scope lines. The quality rises much more slowly above the $300 mark, but you can certainly get some good features.

i.e.: A $200 Burris Fullfield II is definitely 4 times as good (if 'good' could be quantified) as most 50 dollar scopes. It's a little hard to believe that any $3700 Zeiss is 18.5 times as 'good' as the Burris.

maxicon
03-09-2007, 12:30 PM
A Burris 3-9x40 can sometimes be had for $170.

Good clear glass, stable internal mechanics. IMHO better than Leupold Rifleman and VXI/VXII scopes.

I'd agree that the Burris Fullfield II 3-9x40 is the best value in an under $200 scope, and their Ballistic Plex reticle is a useful one.

You can get it at swfa (a great company to do business with) for $185, including a spotting scope, which you could then sell to offset the price or use at the range.
http://www.swfa.com/pc-8071-203-burris-3-9x40-fullfield-ii-rifle-scope.aspx

And the rest of their line:
http://www.swfa.com/c-203-burris-fullfield-ii-rifle-scopes.aspx

The scope will hold its resale value well, too, for when you decide to move up. You really can't do better for the combination of price and quality.

M. Sage
03-09-2007, 8:09 PM
Most of the "no Bubba" mounts I've seen are the forward mount type using the sight base & EER scop - I presume your's is different & a conventional scope is OK.

To answer that, the mount clamps to the right side of the reciever. As soon as I saw this, I had to have one: http://theboxotruth.com/docs/edu37.htm

That's the mount. :D

Anyway, this is really great info, guys.

Price of rifle = price of scope? Uhh. This is a $150 rifle, and I'm thinking about spending more on the scope. The good thing is, it shoots a lot better than a $150 rifle should. :D My first group with open sights at 50 yards had 4/5 holes touching.

I think I'll take a really close look at the Burris scope. Sounds like a winner.

I'll keep the spotting scope. :D

guimus
03-09-2007, 11:31 PM
To answer that, the mount clamps to the right side of the reciever. As soon as I saw this, I had to have one: http://theboxotruth.com/docs/edu37.htm

That's the mount. :D

Anyway, this is really great info, guys.

Price of rifle = price of scope? Uhh. This is a $150 rifle, and I'm thinking about spending more on the scope. The good thing is, it shoots a lot better than a $150 rifle should. :D My first group with open sights at 50 yards had 4/5 holes touching.

I think I'll take a really close look at the Burris scope. Sounds like a winner.

I'll keep the spotting scope. :D

I just did that deal through SWFA. Put the scope on a Savage 10FP, kept the spotting scope because I don't have one, and got some flip-up lens covers and shipping all for $210. Haven't had a trip to the range yet (hopefully will shoot it at Chabot tomorrow), but the clarity of the glass is simply amazing compared to all of the cheapo scopes I'm used to.

PLINK
03-09-2007, 11:41 PM
Toolbox X turned me on to Mueller optics.

http://www.muelleroptics.com/


I just bought a Mueller APV 4.51440 AO (Black) for a 10/22.

http://www.muelleroptics.com/products/MAPV451440.html

shark92651
03-10-2007, 7:51 AM
Toolbox X turned me on to Mueller optics.

http://www.muelleroptics.com/


I just bought a Mueller APV 4.51440 AO (Black) for a 10/22.

http://www.muelleroptics.com/products/MAPV451440.html

Good prices on those Muellers. How is the quality and function?

fairfaxjim
03-10-2007, 8:00 AM
Definitely stay AWAY from the BSA scopes. They are JUNK!

maxicon
03-10-2007, 9:05 AM
Good prices on those Muellers. How is the quality and function?

I've got a Mueller 4-16x50 AO Red Dot Sport dot, and it's OK. It's a step above BSA and mid-end Bushnell, but doesn't compare to my Leupolds and Burris'.

Mine is fine at the lower mags, but at the higher mags, it gets a bit dark, and the eye relief gets really tight. I rarely use mine above 10x because of this - it's very touchy to get good eye alignment at 14x. Also, there's some chromatic aberration that becomes more evident at the higher mags.

The adjustments work fine - crisp clicks, smooth adjustments, repeatable - but I still haven't had it out for a full paper workout yet, just for a few mags at the tin can range.

Based on my limited experience and the feedback of others, the Muellers are mechanically better made than the lower-end scopes like BSA and Bushnell, but don't have optics to compare to the mid-range scopes like the affordable Burris and Leupold.

You can get a simple scope for a reasonable price in good quality (like the Burris mentioned above), but when you start throwing in AO, illuminated dots, target knobs, and such for the same price, something's got to give. If you want the doo-dads and reticles at an affordable price, the Mueller's a good bet, but you just don't get the optical quality.

Here are a few pics, all taken in manual mode so the exposure time and aperture don't change. This shows the change in brightness as it goes through its mag range.

25 yards, 4x - the chromatic aberration's there, but not very noticeable.
http://www.maxicon.com/guns/ar/mueller_4x_25yd_1a.jpg

25 yards, 10x - brightness is still OK, but color fringing is getting worse:
http://www.maxicon.com/guns/ar/mueller_10x_25yd_1a.jpg

25 yards, 16x - getting pretty dark, and color fringing is pretty strong. Lining up the camera for this shot took a lot more effort than the last two.
http://www.maxicon.com/guns/ar/mueller_16x_25yd_1a.jpg

shark92651
03-10-2007, 9:29 AM
Maxicon, very good info - thanks for that.

M. Sage
03-10-2007, 12:17 PM
I just ordered that Burris scope from SWFA. It was too good a deal, with the spotting scope and all.

Thanks a ton for the info, guys! Now I can't wait to get out there and get it on paper.

bwiese
03-10-2007, 1:41 PM
I just ordered that Burris scope from SWFA. It was too good a deal, with the spotting scope and all.

Thanks a ton for the info, guys! Now I can't wait to get out there and get it on paper.


I'll see you and your new scope at the Calguns ShootN-Q. I think you'll enjoy it.

M. Sage
03-10-2007, 2:06 PM
Sounds good to me!

I haven't really got much experience with scoped guns, so I guess I might actually learn something. :D