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smittty
12-18-2011, 11:54 PM
Why do so many people want 10/20 or 10/30 mags?

I'm wondering if a good quality reliable stainless steel 10 round mag doesn't stick out the out the bottom enough to look cool...?

bighead
12-18-2011, 11:56 PM
They look better in pictures and when certain people hold tactical poses in the mirror they prefer the fake mag.

alfred1222
12-18-2011, 11:59 PM
I like the added weight that it gives my weapon, and ya it looks cool.

loosewreck
12-19-2011, 12:06 AM
I have to admit, I have a few 10/30 for the times when my inner :ninja::shuriken: crave the look. However, in terms of functionality, for my purposes, the 10/20s are just right. Just enough to grab onto, but not ridiculously unnecessary. I have several short 10rders too, but IMO, they're too short to handle easily.

I think the best argument folks have for 10/30s is because they fit the best in mag pouches. I'm not sure I totally agree with this, but I've also heard folks say they like the 10/30 because they can use them as monopods.

glock21fan
12-19-2011, 12:44 AM
Mag pouch use

shafferds
12-19-2011, 12:44 AM
Cause short 10 rd mags are a pita to pull out.

SoCalSig1911
12-19-2011, 1:04 AM
People always want what they can't have :confused:

Merc1138
12-19-2011, 1:08 AM
Why do so many people want 10/20 or 10/30 mags?

I'm wondering if a good quality reliable stainless steel 10 round mag doesn't stick out the out the bottom enough to look cool...?

Try yanking a 10rd. steel mag out of the mag well if it's jammed. Not much to grab onto. With a 10/20, you have something to grab and pull. Yes, such a malfunction can happen.

Also, most mag pouches are made for 20 or 30rd. mags, not 10. Unless you want to stuff socks or something in the bottom of the pouches, you're going to be fishing around trying to pull mags out with your fingers.

MrPlink
12-19-2011, 1:24 AM
Try yanking a 10rd. steel mag out of the mag well if it's jammed. Not much to grab onto. With a 10/20, you have something to grab and pull. Yes, such a malfunction can happen.

Also, most mag pouches are made for 20 or 30rd. mags, not 10. Unless you want to stuff socks or something in the bottom of the pouches, you're going to be fishing around trying to pull mags out with your fingers.

yep, a lot of it has to do with a availability too. Most of the true 10rd mags I find locally are crap, but Ive never had a problem with a blocked or rebuilt std cap mag (though I know depending on how they get blocked that can create issues)

nimbus
12-19-2011, 2:46 AM
I have 4 C-Products 10 rounders that either don't feed well and/or don't hold my bolt open after the last shot. I have 4 P-mag 10/30s that have never ever given me problems. I'm going with 10/30 pmags from now on.

prc77
12-19-2011, 3:40 AM
mono poding with 30 rounders while shooting prone is very helpful.

nicoroshi
12-19-2011, 4:16 AM
mono poding with 30 rounders while shooting prone is very helpful.

This^^^
easier to grab, and handle
Easy to find, and buy
Oh, and they just look 'right'

glock7
12-19-2011, 5:49 AM
Cause short 10 rd mags are a pita to pull out.

^this. it fits better in a mag pouch, you can use it as a monopod, it looks better. and because this stinkin state forces us to work within the antiquated gun laws. that's why:44:

glock7
12-19-2011, 5:51 AM
They look better in pictures and when certain people hold tactical poses in the mirror they prefer the fake mag.

uh, no.

Standard
12-19-2011, 6:04 AM
Because 10 round mags look stupid.

killathrilla
12-19-2011, 6:12 AM
Everytime someone converts a mag to 10 rounds God kills a kitten....dont do it and leave it a parts kit until you get to a free state!

Mail Clerk
12-19-2011, 6:12 AM
Why do so many people want 10/20 or 10/30 mags?

I'm wondering if a good quality reliable stainless steel 10 round mag doesn't stick out the out the bottom enough to look cool...?

smitty,

It's just looks alone that determines who like the 20 or 30 round looking mags. I myself like the 10/20 version and just stick to those. If it's any shorter then sometimes it's hard to pull out the mag from the bottom.

For my AR usage I just went to one of the local shows and bought a metal mag for pretty cheap. It works just fine and feeds well although I only shoot from the bench anyway.

LooseCannon
12-19-2011, 6:26 AM
Plus, those who do use full 30rd mags on duty prefer to train with what's familiar.

LC

robcoe
12-19-2011, 6:37 AM
Why do so many people want 10/20 or 10/30 mags?

I'm wondering if a good quality reliable stainless steel 10 round mag doesn't stick out the out the bottom enough to look cool...?

Easier to grab on to

Easier to find(seriously, I went to Ammo Brothers and the only AR magazines they had at the time were 10/30s)

Looks better

Annoys anti-gun people.

tanakasan
12-19-2011, 6:53 AM
10/20 for all the reasons stated above...and they look more visually "balanced".

Robert

Coyote Brown
12-19-2011, 7:02 AM
Nimbus the mag has nothing to do with bolt hold back.

Pmags feed flawless. They don't make California limited size (10rd) mags.

Coyote Brown
12-19-2011, 7:05 AM
For pouch access the Cali small (10rd) there is not enough space to add ranger pull tabs.

lugee
12-19-2011, 7:18 AM
For pouch access and I don't think 10 round mags have the weight to drop free like 20 and 30 round magazine when dump mags quick I have never tried it for fast magazine changes though.

I actually prefer shorter mags for prone shots like the lancer or c products 10 Rounders.

a1c
12-19-2011, 9:19 AM
Try yanking a 10rd. steel mag out of the mag well if it's jammed. Not much to grab onto. With a 10/20, you have something to grab and pull. Yes, such a malfunction can happen.

Exactly what happened to me yesterday. A buddy and I had to almost hammer it out of the lower to get the stupid thing out.

I'm tossing away those 10-rounders today, and will buy 10/20 rounders, probably Pmags, when I get back from vacation.

jonc
12-19-2011, 9:22 AM
just looks better....

HK Dave
12-19-2011, 9:26 AM
I forget who, but someone makes a 10 round pmag that is cut down from a 20 rounder, he then slaps on a ranger plate.

I have a few, they're awesome.

Personally, I've had nothing but problems with 10/20 and 10/30, jamorama.

jonc
12-19-2011, 9:28 AM
I forget who, but someone makes a 10 round pmag that is cut down from a 20 rounder, he then slaps on a ranger plate.

I have a few, they're awesome.

Personally, I've had nothing but problems with 10/20 and 10/30, jamorama.



i picked up couple 10/10 pmags @ midwest...
comes with rager plates

tonelar
12-19-2011, 9:32 AM
Nimbus the mag has nothing to do with bolt hold back.

...



The aft end of the follower is what pushes my bolt catches up when I fire the last round (in AR type weapons).

the_t0ny
12-19-2011, 9:52 AM
Exactly what happened to me yesterday. A buddy and I had to almost hammer it out of the lower to get the stupid thing out.

I'm tossing away those 10-rounders today, and will buy 10/20 rounders, probably Pmags, when I get back from vacation.

Might as well give them away if you plan on tossing them. I wouldn't mind a few extra 10 rounders as well as some other members here.

icenix
12-19-2011, 9:52 AM
I am going to buy some 10/20's this week when I get my gun because 1) they look cooler, 2) there is more to grab, 3) they look cooler, and 4) they look cooler. Yeah, I think they look cooler, so what? lol

I think the shorter, 10 round, mags leave the gun lacking in the looks department. It just looks more bad *** with the longer mags. When I decided to buy an AR I could have gone with 10 round magazine, a basic stock, and just the plain hand guards, but I decided if I am going to do it, I am going to make it look bad *** too, because I can, lol.

a1c
12-19-2011, 9:57 AM
Might as well give them away if you plan on tossing them. I wouldn't mind a few extra 10 rounders as well as some other members here.

Those are the infamous C-Products mags. I got 4 of them. One of them jammed in my CMMG lower yesterday. That's it - I'm done with them.

I'll ship them for $5.20 (price of a USPS Priority small flat rate box) to anyone who commits to also give $10 to the CGF.

jonzer77
12-19-2011, 9:58 AM
I have had nothing but problems with 10/20 and 10/30 rounds, jamomatic pos. I prefer 10 rounders since they work but if anyone knows of a good place to get some reliable 10/20s or 10/30s I would love to have some for carbine classes.

tonelar
12-19-2011, 10:19 AM
Which of these two chrome silicon wire springs will last longer? One repeatedly compressed to 1/3 or 1/2 of its capacity or one repeatedly compressed to its full capacity?

10/20 or 10/30 magazine springs should outlast dedicated 10 rnd mag springs.

(referencing 10/20 or 10/30 magazines where the spring runs the full length of the mag body and the follower is limited by a block)

Fiveohmike
12-19-2011, 10:23 AM
More reliable then CProd 10rnds, easier to clear malfunctions with, easier to pull out if the mag is jammed, great as a monopod (at least the 30 rounders) when prone, more support when gripping the mag well...ect

Serbian
12-19-2011, 10:24 AM
Because you can take out the block of a 10/30 10/20 mag and have a hi-cap mag. or people that have hi-caps just tell you there 10/30 10/20.

Ubermcoupe
12-19-2011, 10:30 AM
Cause short 10 rd mags are a pita to pull out.

Im with Shafferds on this!

But I also like OD anything and I have yet to see a 10rd OD mag.

shark92651
12-19-2011, 10:37 AM
Simple. Because Magpul does not make a 10 round magazine.

shortround1
12-19-2011, 10:47 AM
Which of these two chrome silicon wire springs will last longer? One repeatedly compressed to 1/3 or 1/2 of its capacity or one repeatedly compressed to its full capacity?

10/20 or 10/30 magazine springs should outlast dedicated 10 rnd mag springs.

(referencing 10/20 or 10/30 magazines where the spring runs the full length of the mag body and the follower is limited by a block)

Are you getting the springs full strength though if it's only being compressed by half at the most. I'm wondering if a 10 round spring above the block would give stronger feeding. Anyone want to chime in on this? Shark, how does riflegear go about blocking your pmags?

Edit: good thread, makes me want some 10/20's.

TF_CAM
12-19-2011, 10:56 AM
Because 10 round mags look stupid.

this lmao..

Mamluke
12-19-2011, 11:22 AM
Because 10/30 rnds mags look sinister & are the 'original' look!

... If you brandish that AK on a trespasser, with that banana 30 rnds mag dangling, yeah bratha ...he's gonna get the idea quick imho... :D

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y212/LavaBull/dezak2.jpg

Daaang ...

0331Marine
12-19-2011, 11:26 AM
For me its beacuse (1) I get free Pmags and (2) I shoot outside of CA more than I shoot inside CA.

nani
12-19-2011, 11:34 AM
A friend owns a lot of cheapo 10/20 metal mags (I don't recall what brand) that don't seat well in his Stag. So we'd really have to slam the mag in hard and then pull on it to make sure it was in there, otherwise it would mis-feed.

So when I bought my own AR, I got 10/20s (PMags) just in case I ever have similar mag problems I can pull out the mag easily and re-seat it.

tomd1584
12-19-2011, 12:06 PM
Im with Shafferds on this!

But I also like OD anything and I have yet to see a 10rd OD mag.


http://midwestpx.com/images/od30stubby.jpg

http://midwestpx.com/product_info.php?cPath=15_69&products_id=454

Ubermcoupe
12-19-2011, 12:54 PM
http://midwestpx.com/images/od30stubby.jpg

http://midwestpx.com/product_info.php?cPath=15_69&products_id=454

No way. Might just have to buy another present for xmas... :D Thanks Tom.

RAMCHARGER
12-19-2011, 1:00 PM
The kids love my AR and it's easier for them to work the longer mags. And bigger is better :)

44fred
12-19-2011, 2:28 PM
Just got off the phone with Pro Mag.
They are in the process of introducing 10 round mags for the Cal. market
with 5 round blockers for hunters. Was hold the length gives you plenty to
hold on to.





































So, you fell for that huh. :D

stix213
12-19-2011, 2:31 PM
10/20 pmags with ultimate BB tool FTW for my BB'd rifle. Every regular 10 round .223 mag I have bought has been a POS and borderline unusable.

jm13690
12-19-2011, 2:33 PM
I personally like my 10/20 PMags, I like the feel of it. I don't have any 10/30 because I never felt the need for the extra length. One thing I don't like is the way my PMAGS were put together its almost impossible to take them apart to clean.

jkody
12-19-2011, 3:17 PM
I like 10/20 and 10/30s because in the event of civil unrest, SHTF or when I move out of state, I can take the block out of them quickly to make them Hi-caps. They also are easier to handle, and fit correctly in a mag pouch.

starsnuffer
12-19-2011, 3:40 PM
Lancer has nice 10 round mags. I like having more to hold onto though. The 10 round mags are almost square, you have to feel around to see which end to feed. With a 20 or 30 it's much easier to line them up without looking.

Using your mag for a monopod is not a good idea ;/. It's not airsoft.

-W

BobbyZ
12-19-2011, 3:52 PM
Ranger pull tabs with the bb tool on my 10/30 are good monopods. I like the setup better than a ten round. Never used a 10/20.

rayrayz
12-19-2011, 4:03 PM
Those are the infamous C-Products mags. I got 4 of them. One of them jammed in my CMMG lower yesterday. That's it - I'm done with them.

I'll ship them for $5.20 (price of a USPS Priority small flat rate box) to anyone who commits to also give $10 to the CGF.
I'd be interested in giving those a try on my new build..... and $10 goes to a very good cause! Bonus....especially with Obama trying to circumvent the 2nd Amendment by going trough a arms treaty. If you still have it and will let them go, PM me.


I too like the look better.... I have 3 kits coming for the conversion from a fellow Calgunner.

Gryff
12-19-2011, 4:04 PM
Why do so many people want 10/20 or 10/30 mags?

I'm wondering if a good quality reliable stainless steel 10 round mag doesn't stick out the out the bottom enough to look cool...?

Looks. Not ashamed about it, either.

AR87
12-19-2011, 4:23 PM
I was gonna comment on this, but in the time it took me to log in, so many people commented on it that I think this is adequately covered. Lol.

Carsgunsandchics
12-19-2011, 4:26 PM
Factory made 10 round mag average price is $20 and unreliable as all get out. Factory made 30 round mag average price is $13 and reliable as all get out. Price to convert 30 round mag to 10 round mag with two rivets 25cents and still reliable.
I do have a few factory made 10 rounders, I keep them in my AR's for transport and storage, that way no biggens "fall" into the well in Cali.

FourLoko
12-19-2011, 4:38 PM
My new dilemma is 10/30 or 10/20. I need to order a couple of both with the UBBT. Probably go 10/30 since I want a chest rig with 3 pouches and they'll fit best.

1forall
12-19-2011, 4:38 PM
Looks. Not ashamed about it, either.

This

Paul_R
12-19-2011, 4:41 PM
All I have is 10 rounders. Some for my 5.56 and a bunch for my .458 SOCOM. :D

HonkingAntelope
12-19-2011, 5:00 PM
Does anyone know good sturdy mag couplers for AR-15 mags similar to the one I have. It works all right and solves the mag pouch issues, but they are a bit fragile when it comes to side-impact. Oh and I do occasionally get funny looks from people when I hit the mag release, flip it over, and slam it back in. O:)

http://i41.tinypic.com/14xphxf.jpg

Carsgunsandchics
12-19-2011, 5:05 PM
Does anyone know good sturdy mag couplers for AR-15 mags similar to the one I have. It works all right and solves the mag pouch issues, but they are a bit fragile when it comes to side-impact. Oh and I do occasionally get funny looks from people when I hit the mag release, flip it over, and slam it back in. O:)

http://i41.tinypic.com/14xphxf.jpg

You running featureless with a mag lock?

REPR
12-19-2011, 5:09 PM
I have ginormous hands, mag pouches, monopoding, and reloads are my usual reasons. Plus that's just the way pmags come.

Beatone
12-19-2011, 5:30 PM
10/30 Looks like normal America.

HonkingAntelope
12-19-2011, 5:42 PM
You running featureless with a mag lock?

Nope. Just thought I'd mention it since a few people complained about problems with getting the regular 10rd mags out of mag pouches or if it's stuck in the magwell.

jonzer77
12-19-2011, 5:54 PM
I must have got the two c products 10 rounders that work because I have two and I have never had a issue with them.

skeptik
12-19-2011, 6:18 PM
same reason you put fake headlight stickers on race cars. looks right.

Cali-Shooter
12-19-2011, 6:32 PM
10/20 mags are very practical, in addition to looking awesome. The extra length makes them easier to remove from the magwell than regular 10 round mags, and their not too bulky for being 10 rounders. ProMag blued carbon 10/20 mags from the factory with the indented mag bodies to restrict capacity to 10 are my fav factory 10/20.

10/30 mags, imo, are not as much, but they are still great to have, for pictures and to make the neutered AR/EBR look more "normal." I would prefer more 10/20 mags over these, but having a couple of 10/30's is a necessity for a BB'd AR.

Arisaka
12-19-2011, 6:33 PM
With a BB equipped gun, it can be very difficult to remove the mag while holding the gun and operating the BB. I kept dropping them on the ground (in the mud) so I switched to 10/30s. Also, I tend to shoot with my left hand on the front of the mag. Not much to grab with a short mag.

Blaze Kenobi
12-19-2011, 6:35 PM
well I like fake big boobs and if I were to add the extra cool factor well I am just wondering if they do sell such a thing as a 10/100 twin drum magazine because I want to look like I mean business!

InGrAM
12-19-2011, 6:36 PM
because 10/35, 10/30, 10/20 look better and are easier to get out of the gun. 10 and 5 round magazines are good for bench firing.

fusionstar
12-19-2011, 10:21 PM
Cant quote on my phone but the magazine has everything to do with the bolt holdopen.

Merc1138
12-19-2011, 10:30 PM
Are you getting the springs full strength though if it's only being compressed by half at the most. I'm wondering if a 10 round spring above the block would give stronger feeding. Anyone want to chime in on this? Shark, how does riflegear go about blocking your pmags?

Edit: good thread, makes me want some 10/20's.

Huh?

If the spring didn't work worth a crap only half compressed, then you'd have feeding problems halfway through a normal 30rd. or 20rd. mag. Take a 30 round magazine. Insert 10 rounds, it should feed fine.

longhairchris
12-20-2011, 10:48 AM
10/20 PMAGS all the way. Reliable, enough to grab on to without being too long.

This thread reminds me, I need to stock up on rebuild kits.

proclone1
12-20-2011, 10:53 AM
They look better in pictures and when certain people hold tactical poses in the mirror they prefer the fake mag.

I'd love to know what kind of car you and smitty drive. Or what brand clothes you buy. Or why I'm even bothering responding to such a troll thread & 1st reply in the first place.

schneiderguy
12-20-2011, 10:58 AM
If you people would buy decent 10 round mags maybe you wouldn't have problems with them :oji:

Protip: C-products and Pro-mag make ****ty mags.

D&H and NHMTG make excellent shorty 10 rounders for much less than the price of a 10/20 or 10/30 mag, and the NHMTG even has a block to grab onto.

D&H: http://palmettostatearmory.com/2030.php
NHMTG: http://www.44mag.com/product/nhmtg_10_ar15_magazine/223_ar15_magazines

SixGunsRattlesnake
12-20-2011, 2:15 PM
You can't tape the short mags together for the super tactical look...

RED VASQUEZ
12-20-2011, 2:38 PM
because steel 10-30 mags are cheaper and easier to find for an AK than steel 10 rounders, I love'em both. polymer 10 rounders suck.

Arnelcheeze
12-20-2011, 3:30 PM
Magpul does not make 10 round mags, so if you want magpul gotta get a 10/20/30, and they they are easier to do tacticool mag changes in your arm chair!

icenix
12-20-2011, 3:55 PM
Are 10/20 or 10/30 mags carried regularly by guns shops you (anyone) have visited? Or are they something I will have to order. I am picking up my lower on Thursday and need some mags.

FatalKitty
12-20-2011, 5:38 PM
because I don't shoot from a bench :rolleyes:


that's why

SkyStorm82
12-20-2011, 6:08 PM
Because stupid 10 round AR15 mags never should have been made in the first place.

ZX-10R
12-20-2011, 6:20 PM
Because CA is retarded and forces us to have 10 round mags. I'll stick to original design in protest to CA. Though rebuilds are nice to have.

drunktank
12-20-2011, 6:50 PM
For me, 20's and 30's are easier to handle especially when dealing with a pouch. I also sometimes rest the bottom of a 30 rounder on the ground while prone and plinking.

Other than that, I would just prefer a standard 10 rounder vs something modified.

chaoticmind
12-20-2011, 7:44 PM
If you people would buy decent 10 round mags maybe you wouldn't have problems with them :oji:

Protip: C-products and Pro-mag make ****ty mags.

D&H and NHMTG make excellent shorty 10 rounders for much less than the price of a 10/20 or 10/30 mag, and the NHMTG even has a block to grab onto.

:iagree::clap::clap::clap::clap:

Exactly, I have not experienced a single failure with my D&H 10 rounders and if you look around they can be had for about $11.

FatalKitty
12-20-2011, 8:12 PM
honestly if you don't know why you run longer magazines then you need to get off the bench and shoot your gun more.

SIGSHOOTR
12-20-2011, 8:32 PM
It's the configuration that I'm used to from my service rifles and on those occasions I shoot with a mag well index support grip-- it helps having that longer mag. And lastly-- and most important-- the gun looks better! :D

rightwingmaniac
12-20-2011, 9:05 PM
a 10/30 mag is like stuffing your underwear with a sock... sure, standing there you look like a beast, but when it comes time to perform.... you'll always end up coming up short!!!

HonkingAntelope
12-20-2011, 9:12 PM
a 10/30 mag is like stuffing your underwear with a sock... sure, standing there you look like a beast, but when it comes time to perform.... you'll always end up coming up short!!!

Then again, if stuffing a sock into the underwear gets you the opportunity to perform in the first place, what's the problem? :D:D:D

nitroxdiver
12-20-2011, 9:37 PM
They look better in pictures and when certain people hold tactical poses in the mirror they prefer the fake mag.

Try inserting a 10 round mag body into an FN FS2000 and see what happens when you try to remove it. I use whatever works best. My favorite cal legal size are 10/20's.

jetspeedz
12-21-2011, 1:58 PM
If you ask me i think it is quite poser-ish. Which is why i run standard light weight 10 round steel mags which have never failed me. Don't care about looks, care about function and keeping the weapon light.

jetspeedz
12-21-2011, 1:59 PM
a 10/30 mag is like stuffing your underwear with a sock... sure, standing there you look like a beast, but when it comes time to perform.... you'll always end up coming up short!!!

lol, good one

bloodhawke83
12-21-2011, 2:30 PM
10 and 30 mags cost the same, may be off by a dollar but I am not staying here in CA forever and would like to not buy all new mags again.

ZombieTactics
12-21-2011, 2:33 PM
I have to admit, I have a few 10/30 for the times when my inner :ninja::shuriken: crave the look. However, in terms of functionality, for my purposes, the 10/20s are just right. Just enough to grab onto, but not ridiculously unnecessary. I have several short 10rders too, but IMO, they're too short to handle easily. .

+1

Also, purely from a perspective of performance, 10/20 Pmags seems to work better for me than any of the 10 round magazines I've tried. I really don't care about how anything looks.

imarangemaster
12-21-2011, 3:34 PM
I have some Colt 20s blocked to 10 rounds. They are cooler looking; I actually did it for when I want my retro build to look "original" and use my bullet button. From a practical standpoint, though, even before I did the Hammerhead, I preferred 20s blocked to ten because you can grab them. I have a couple flush fitting 10s and they SUCK! My AR now has a Hammerhead and real 20s and 30s, and my AK wears a Kydex paddle and real 30s. I believe in function over form.

FourLoko
12-21-2011, 3:42 PM
All I know is I need a lot more. Saw this posted today on another forum and went limp:

http://i39.tinypic.com/k12tsg.jpg

Mamluke
12-21-2011, 3:45 PM
Then again, if stuffing a sock into the underwear gets you the opportunity to perform in the first place, what's the problem? :D:D:D

Naaah bro, its more like huge fake pair of t***** that are sure to get your attention ... :D





....... I like http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSFHJs9UrwIdcCdB4NfLEr7-r530rC09lChVSg7dj33JNSHEcwpA5B7G7NF

......

radioburning
12-21-2011, 7:53 PM
I only use C-MAG 10/100 drums. I practice quick mag changes with them while belly-crawling laps around my mom's basement.

shark92651
12-21-2011, 9:07 PM
All I know is I need a lot more. Saw this posted today on another forum and went limp:

http://i39.tinypic.com/k12tsg.jpg

Pssshhh, that's nothing. You should see the mountain of PMags I work next to every day ;)

stormy_clothing
12-21-2011, 9:16 PM
http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/9430/img20111221220615.jpg

http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/7766/img20111221220736.jpg

looks or in this case because neither is 556 and you need the bigger mags just to get to 10 rounds ;)

jameswest992000
12-21-2011, 9:22 PM
Tacti-cool ;-)