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68Datsun510
12-17-2011, 9:06 AM
Opinion poll time, gonna get a Saiga Rifle soon, 16" barrel, wanted 7.62 cal so it can share ammo with the SKS, but the 5.45 is tempting as a possible longer range round?

What do the experts here think?

TheDeej
12-17-2011, 9:09 AM
definitely no expert but it's mainly preference. I have a Saiga in 7.62 and the mian reason I chose it was local ammo availability. 7.62 surprised me in how much fun it is and how light the recoil really is. I've heard 5.45 is a ton of fun as well and definitely want one. You will more than likely end up with both in the end.

If more local places carried 5.45 I probably would've gone that route just for the ammo prices alone.

68Datsun510
12-17-2011, 9:14 AM
Good point, 545 is cheap online, but locally, ive NEVER seen it...

zfields
12-17-2011, 9:16 AM
If you live near a range that only allows copper / brass ammo, 545 is not the caliber for you.


FWIW, get both. I have a 7.62x39, cant wait to add a 545x39. I dont think one is better than the other, I'm a fan of larger caliber vs smaller, but the 545x39 is a more accurate round, with a bit farther of an effective range.

68Datsun510
12-17-2011, 9:17 AM
I live near the national forest ;) Never been to a "normal" range.

FX-05 Xiuhcoatl
12-17-2011, 9:24 AM
what about saiga .308

IrishPirate
12-17-2011, 9:41 AM
5.45x39 might only be online, but when you can get 1080rds for $140 (http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=A54539R) you don't really need to be going to the store for 50rd boxes....

7.62x39 (http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=A76239Yugo&name=Yugoslavian+7.62x39+123grn+FMJ+15rd+box&groupid=39) goes for $215 per 1260rds

neither one is a bad price online, but you're right, 7.62x39 is much easier to find on the shelves. If this is a plinker, i'd personally go with 5.45 just because it can be had much cheaper, and there never seems to be a shortage online. If it's gonna be for anything else, 7.62x39 might be a better bet.

i want to get a 5.45x39 upper for my AR just so i can shoot a ton of ammo cheaply and/or stockpile ammo very few people would have any interest in.

68Datsun510
12-17-2011, 9:43 AM
too pricey for ammo, im a cheapie lol

68Datsun510
12-17-2011, 9:49 AM
Only reason i'd avoid surplus is corrosive ammo. Cleaning a Mosin is super easy. A Gas operated rifle that spits **** everywhere inside it...eek.

zfields
12-17-2011, 9:54 AM
Only reason i'd avoid surplus is corrosive ammo. Cleaning a Mosin is super easy. A Gas operated rifle that spits **** everywhere inside it...eek.

Ak's arent hard to clean. I wouldnt mess with corrosive ammo on a 5.45 AR upper, just to much to deal with an im far to lazy.

68Datsun510
12-17-2011, 9:58 AM
I shot a ton of romanian surplus or something before not knowing it was corrosive thru my SKS. Boy was i surprised a week later... I suppose its a possibility...

My primary concern is all this youtube stuff saying the 5.45 is useless, it keyholes, wont fly straight, etc etc...

zfields
12-17-2011, 9:59 AM
I shot a ton of romanian surplus or something before not knowing it was corrosive thru my SKS. Boy was i surprised a week later... I suppose its a possibility...

My primary concern is all this youtube stuff saying the 5.45 is useless, it keyholes, wont fly straight, etc etc...

That was with some of the tantals that were coming out with US barrels that were sized wrong.


Really though, I think the Russians would have tested the ammo out a bit before they officially adopted it, dont you think?

68Datsun510
12-17-2011, 10:00 AM
Definitely, but you know hot the interwebz can be...

"The 545 is a *poopy* copy of the 556, and they copy everything badly!!!

Silly people...

Levetti
12-17-2011, 10:41 AM
Sharing ammo with the SKS sounds like a good idea. Why go 545 if you already have a rifle that shoots 762?

twoforme2
12-17-2011, 10:45 AM
Why limit yourself to one....buy both!

I did, they are both a kick to shoot and both are pretty accurate (for an AK platform...don't expect sub MOA or even MOA accuracy). Of course I have shot nothing over 50yds with either yet, and did have to buy a tool to adjust the sights on both.

tonelar
12-17-2011, 10:53 AM
Just remember to clean the ***t out of the 5.45 Saiga after every range session. And I'm not talking a simple field strip... that residue gets into everything.

Milsurps
12-17-2011, 10:59 AM
Sharing ammo with the SKS sounds like a good idea. Why go 545 if you already have a rifle that shoots 762?

^^ This...
I have SKS's and went with Sagia in 7.62x39 because of that.
I try to double/triple up on types of guns that will shoot the same ammo.
It keeps costs and storage requirements down.
YMMV.

Mamluke
12-17-2011, 11:03 AM
Why limit yourself to one....buy both!

I did, they are both a kick to shoot and both are pretty accurate (for an AK platform...don't expect sub MOA or even MOA accuracy). Of course I have shot nothing over 50yds with either yet, and did have to buy a tool to adjust the sights on both.

Ak's are far more accurate than given credit for, including 7.62x39

Here's at 35 yards freestanding, with the target standing vertical at its minimum silhouette:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y212/LavaBull/dezak7.jpg

I know, 35 yards is nothing to brag about, but you get my drift ... ;)

LOL .... :D

cantcme
12-17-2011, 11:10 AM
7.62x39 is cheap and non-corrosive. That would seal the deal for me. I bought the 7.62x39 and my ammo won't corrode my gun.

68Datsun510
12-17-2011, 11:40 AM
Just remember to clean the ***t out of the 5.45 Saiga after every range session. And I'm not talking a simple field strip... that residue gets into everything.


Exactly! THe SKS was a nightmare to clean every nook and cranny... I keep corrosive to bolt guns...

Done deal, 7.62 it is!

Not looking for a 1000 yard one-hole-for-ten-rounds gun, just something i wont feel bad about scoping (unlike my SKS) or beating up. If i can hit a garbage can lid size target at 200 yards, i'd be happy! "Realistic range"

68Datsun510
12-17-2011, 11:41 AM
My eyes suck, as you can imagine ^^^

twoforme2
12-17-2011, 12:27 PM
Ak's are far more accurate than given credit for, including 7.62x39

Here's at 35 yards freestanding, with the target standing vertical at its minimum silhouette:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y212/LavaBull/dezak7.jpg

I know, 35 yards is nothing to brag about, but you get my drift ... ;)

LOL .... :D

I think you illustrated my point about accuracy perfectly. ;)

They are made to be reliable and shoot MOP (minute of person) not MOA.

weber_2
12-17-2011, 1:26 PM
7.62

EvoXRiley
12-17-2011, 1:47 PM
i have a 5.45 AR platform and will be getting a 5.45 in the saiga as well.

so coming from experience with the 5.45 round its a great round and is very accurate. 500 yard targets are very do able cleaning is not a big deal, you clean your guns anyways right? :)

the ammo is dirt cheap and i pick up a spam can from Ammo bros about 2 times a month and just stockpile it.

ranges dont like it during summer months but most ranges are good with steel core during winter time.


the 7.62 saiga is a great gun as well. although i find that anything after 200 yards becomes more challenging in shooting torso sized targets.

but the fireballs the 7.62 shoot cant be beat!


http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y234/rps13drifter05/photobucket-7921-1314639219880.png