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Bobby Ricigliano
12-17-2011, 3:33 AM
I would appreciate any suggestions on a 5.56 round that:

Is effective as a HD round

Does not overpenetrate like FMJ

Feeds reliably in AR builds.

I know a shotgun/pistol are better choices for most HD/SD scenarios. However in an extreme circumstance where one deployed a rifle in an urban environment, is there something that dumps its energy into the target without zinging straight through? Thanks for your input.

digitalelf
12-17-2011, 3:41 AM
Hornady TAP ammo in 75 or 77 grain is a good choice. Though it is generally .223, not 5.56; they save that for LE use, making it difficult at best for us civilians to find :(

negolien
12-17-2011, 4:02 AM
I use Winchestder PDX1 Defenders in my HD mags. Look at frangible ammo that's what you're lookin for . I think you'l get way way more over penetration with a TAPS round than a franagible or PDX1. If OP isn't an issue TAPS great..

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/07/foghorn/preview-winchester-pdx1-223-personal-defense-ammo/

Bobby Ricigliano
12-17-2011, 5:09 AM
Those both look promising. Have you guys shot a few boxes to check feeding? I will try a few boxes of each.

MrPlink
12-17-2011, 5:28 AM
Hornady TAP ammo in 75 or 77 grain is a good choice. Though it is generally .223, not 5.56; they save that for LE use, making it difficult at best for us civilians to find :(

+1 on tap

RONIN.
12-17-2011, 5:29 AM
http://www.hornadyle.com/products/more_detaila4d2.html?id=72&sID=75&pID=2

http://www.hornadyle.com/products/more_detail7d24.html?id=130&sID=73&pID=1

the second is a much better home defense round.. as high speed as you all think you are.. most likely.. no one is going to break into your house with sapi plates on in full kit.. unless o course you pissed off the pd.. and they sent in a swat team.. your dead.. the 40 grain tap is good enough to stop a man in his tracks.. this is the real world.. not hollywood.. and if he keeps coming.. shoot more.. cause he is on pcp

dieselpower
12-17-2011, 6:28 AM
+1 on the TAP.

No need to worry over .223 or 5.56. Same stuff in any real situation you could find yourself in.

I will agree that 5.56 TAP is better at greater than 500 yard ranges. I do not agree that LEO should be the only ones getting it. Thats a clear 2A issue and Hornady is on the other side with this one. As are most companies. You don't want to talk about the 2A and address the big pink elephant in the room. LEA are buying gear & preparing for a war.

3GunFunShooter
12-17-2011, 6:33 AM
Black Hill 77s gr. 5.56, the military round, not the blue or red box 223.

jm13690
12-17-2011, 10:37 AM
Theres also that Zombie Max from Hornady you never know who you need to protect your home from.


http://www.hornady.com/store/Zombie-Max-new

223556
12-17-2011, 10:52 AM
I say a soft point .223 round would be good also.
I remeber reading up a post or artcile about the soft point rounds and how it would not penetrate sheet rock and light walls.
Dont quote me, still need to research this a little more.

starsnuffer
12-17-2011, 11:58 AM
Why is it ok to make your family deaf but not to shoot them through the wall? Still a poor choice for HD unless you go subsonic. If you REALLY want an AR for home defense get .300 blackout or whisper in the subsonic varieties, it doesn't help much, but a little.

-W

digitalelf
12-17-2011, 12:28 PM
Why is it ok to make your family deaf but not to shoot them through the wall?



Let's see...

Dead or hard of hearing??

Hmmm....

Cali-Shooter
12-17-2011, 3:24 PM
Frangible .223, Hornandy TAP, or JHP .223 if you can find it. I would also suggest SP .223, but it may not feed as well.

cabinetguy
12-17-2011, 4:19 PM
try this site
http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/product_info.php/pName/20rds-223-hornady-tap-fpd-75gr-ammo/cName/223-556-hollow-point-ammo
or for the 40 grain
http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/product_info.php/pName/20rds-223-hornady-tap-leo-40gr-urban-tactical-ammo/cName/223-556-ballistic-tip-ammo

Dreaded Claymore
12-17-2011, 4:49 PM
Why is it ok to make your family deaf but not to shoot them through the wall?

Because California's government says so. That's why you're not allowed to own a suppressor here. :mad:

negolien
12-17-2011, 5:01 PM
I have run 5 boxes of Defenders thru my rig with no issues feeding. It's the closest I could get to a frangible yet not be one..Not sure I could afford to fill 3 mags with Glasers or Extremes.

As for TAP's the OP said he didn't want over penetration so might as well stop saying use TAP lol. Even HP rounds like TAP and Black Hills will over penetrate when used in a HD roll. If you don't use Frangibles or ammo specifically for this type of enviroment your asking for trouble just my opinion though.

I also use #8 Birdshot in my HDSG in my Apartment instead of tripple Aughts or 3 inch or slugs :p I use Hornady Critical Defense HP's for my .45 Auto.

EvolutionGSR
12-17-2011, 5:48 PM
I use prvi 75 grain match hps.

chead
12-17-2011, 7:02 PM
Why is it ok to make your family deaf but not to shoot them through the wall? Still a poor choice for HD unless you go subsonic. If you REALLY want an AR for home defense get .300 blackout or whisper in the subsonic varieties, it doesn't help much, but a little.

-W

You won't go deaf from a gunshot indoors and if anything an AR with a 16" barrel will be quieter than a large caliber handgun unless the rifle has a crazy brake on it.

fusionstar
12-17-2011, 7:04 PM
50gr vmax Pushed at max!!!!

shortround1
12-17-2011, 7:10 PM
If you have over-penetration concerns, a rifle is definitely not the right firearm to use.

chead
12-17-2011, 8:44 PM
If you have over-penetration concerns, a rifle is definitely not the right firearm to use.

Not necessarily true: http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot1.htm
Hollow point pistol ammo will fill the void in the bullet with soft material (like sheetrock and wood).

RodFromGod86
12-17-2011, 9:13 PM
Some of this should work! :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPgcVhENbos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_McIBT3ZKpw

fusionstar
12-17-2011, 10:15 PM
Um.. Vmax pushed at 3600+

Norsemen308
12-17-2011, 10:20 PM
winchester super X..... if I can drop a deer with it, its gonna be one hell of a meet and greet....

zombiescanlearn
12-18-2011, 12:21 AM
Maybe you should think about a 9mm Uzi if you want a rifle but are concerned about over penetration.

Bhobbs
12-18-2011, 12:27 AM
Maybe you should think about a 9mm Uzi if you want a rifle but are concerned about over penetration.

Why would you go with a bigger, heavier bullet?

It would be interesting to see how the 40 V-MAx does through sheetrock.

dieselpower
12-18-2011, 11:45 AM
Maybe you should think about a 9mm Uzi if you want a rifle but are concerned about over penetration.

the 9mm has a greater potential to penetrate inner walls and still have lethal force. the .223 will fragment. now that doesn't mean a fragment will not tear into flesh on the other side, it just has a lower chance to cause a critical wound. this was proved by the FBI testing of handgun and rifle rounds.

slikna99
12-18-2011, 12:05 PM
Hornady TAP ammo in 75 or 77 grain is a good choice. Though it is generally .223, not 5.56; they save that for LE use, making it difficult at best for us civilians to find :(

http://www.sgammo.com/product/hornady/20-rds-556-nato-75-grain-hornady-superformance-bthp-match-ammo-81264

I would estimate this to be very similar to the TAP version with a bthp.

hossb7
12-18-2011, 12:14 PM
Properly selected .223/5.56mm ammo for self defense actually has less over-penetration than handgun and shotgun rounds.

That being said, I personally like 5.56mm 75gr TAP (yes, the actual 5.56mm NOT .223), but any of the following at good to go:

for intermediate barrier superiority:
Federal 62 gr Trophy Bonded Bear Claw (TBBC) bonded JSP (XM556FBIT3)
Winchester 64 gr solid base bonded JSP (Q3313/RA556B)
Black Hills 5.56 mm 50 gr TSX loading
Speer 55 gr Gold Dot JSP
Federal 5.56 mm 62 gr Mk318 Mod0 (T556TNB1)
62 gr Federal bonded JSP Tactical loads (LE223T1 & LE223T3)
Nosler 60 gr Partition JSP, Remington 62 gr Core-Lokt Ultra Bonded JSP (PRC223R4)
Federal 55 gr TSX (T223S)
Speer 55 & 64 gr Gold Dot JSP

where barriers are not a concern:
Hornady 75 gr OTM
Nosler 77 gr OTM
Sierra 77 gr SMK OTM
BH loaded 100 gr OTM
69 gr SMK OTM
68 gr Hornady OTM
Winchester 64 gr JSP (RA223R2)
Federal 64 gr TRU (T223L) JSP
Hornady 60 gr JSP


There is a WEALTH of this information available on other forums.

sirgiles
12-18-2011, 3:58 PM
Because California's government says so. That's why you're not allowed to own a suppressor here. :mad:

i suggest you google "nfa trust".

MrPlink
12-18-2011, 5:15 PM
i suggest you google "nfa trust".

I did, nothing about getting a DWP showed up when I did it

pyro3k2
12-18-2011, 8:36 PM
Are we all forgetting about the varmint gernade bullets? the jacket is completely destroyed after hitting a blue berry....no joke.

http://www.barnesbullets.com/products/rifle/varmint-grenade/

Lagduf
12-18-2011, 9:05 PM
I did, nothing about getting a DWP showed up when I did it

Can't get a suppressor with a dangerous weapon permit anyway.

pyro3k2
12-18-2011, 9:37 PM
Can't get a suppressor with a dangerous weapon permit anyway.

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2011/2/1/72a5cb96-733b-4e86-b0d6-498f6263b88e.jpg

repubconserv
12-18-2011, 10:09 PM
i suggest you google "nfa trust".

I suggest you google "CA suppressor laws"

Coyote Brown
12-18-2011, 10:15 PM
Frangable ammo is a no go in many comps and brakes. Read the fine print .

Blessed protector of my home gave perfect lanes of fire and threat direction allow the use of 5.56 fmj, for maximum penetration . Doors or walls don't hide from your destiny perp.. I ll fix the holes later. Mop up the multiple winged perp or perps and my broken replaceables first.

Most important is what you are comfortable holding at hand to hand range. Things can get right on top of you in a hurry when you are sleeping or out numbered in a home in a home invasion. Some can jab and protect a pistol others rather 2 hand grasp a wooden SG.

locosway
12-18-2011, 10:56 PM
If you fire an AR indoors without hearing protection you WILL suffer permanent hearing damage. There is no doubt about this, and it's been the focus of several lawsuits/complaints with LEA's when their officers have to fire indoors with their patrol rifles. This is why many agencies are now issuing suppressors to their officers for their AR's.

MrPlink
12-19-2011, 1:12 AM
Can't get a suppressor with a dangerous weapon permit anyway.

and guess what DWP stands for? :p

zcktomcat
12-19-2011, 1:19 PM
223 rounds were found to penetrate less household style walls than pistol rounds than handgun rounds by the NIJ. Plus as long as the round hits at higher than 3000 FPS FMJ rounds will begin to break apart after striking flesh so overpenetration is not really an issue within 100 yards for 55 grain bullets whereas a 75 grain bullet may not. So I wouldn't fret too much over standard m193 unless you're using a AR pistol with a short barrel. Then heavier bullets are generally recommended.

Bhobbs
12-19-2011, 1:49 PM
and guess what DWP stands for? :p

Department of Water and Power? :shrug: :43: