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mr2.0
03-07-2007, 12:43 AM
Can anyne with experienced or own one tell me about saiga .308 accuracy wise? I've been searching, but nothing in accuracy came up. thanks

xenophobe
03-07-2007, 1:20 AM
Somewhere 1-2 MOA-ish...

In other words, don't expect a tack driver...

50 Freak
03-07-2007, 1:38 AM
I actually heard 3ish MOA. 1-2MOA for a Saiga is a keeper.

mr2.0
03-07-2007, 2:05 AM
Does MOA get better in .223? Or b/c of the platform it doesn't get better in term of MOA regardless type of caliber

DV8
03-07-2007, 5:44 AM
What type of shooting did you have in mind? If you're into precision, there are better choices out there.

FatKatMatt
03-07-2007, 5:52 AM
I read a review in Guns & Ammo a few monhs ago, I believe the writer got between 1 and 2 MOA with a scope. Fine hunting groups.

xenophobe
03-07-2007, 7:44 AM
I actually heard 3ish MOA. 1-2MOA for a Saiga is a keeper.

I believe it. I get 1-2 MOA out of my PSL, and figured the .308 Saiga would be similarly accurate. Guess not. lol

bwiese
03-07-2007, 9:43 AM
Yeah, these certainly ain't AR10s, and not even M1As.

Sloppy chamber dimensions, likely long chamber throat, and sloppy bolt lockup on top of a thinner barrel all conspire against accuracy.

223s will likely fare similarly - though they have a good chance of beating the Mini-14! <bseg> :)

whatever
07-12-2007, 10:54 PM
I believe it. I get 1-2 MOA out of my PSL, and figured the .308 Saiga would be similarly accurate. Guess not. lol

WTF? You were just guessing on the answer? Why would you even feel the need to contribute to this thread when you don't know the answer?

How do you think it helps anyone to just pull an answer out of your butt?

Steyr_223
07-12-2007, 11:20 PM
Goto http://forum.saiga-12.com/ and look under the 308 subforum..I really want a 16 or 21 inch Saiga..Then I can challenge those snobs with their pretty AR10s , M1A's and FAL's then shut them up.. :)

50 Freak
07-12-2007, 11:22 PM
Wow Whatever,

You need to take a chill pill.....Or one of the Moderators will be by and kick your A@@.

Xeno knows this stuff on PSLs and Dragunovs. If they can only get 1-2 MOA's how can a more shoddily made Siaga do the same.

C.G.
07-12-2007, 11:59 PM
Goto http://forum.saiga-12.com/ and look under the 308 subforum..I really want a 16 or 21 inch Saiga..Then I can challenge those snobs with their pretty AR10s , M1A's and FAL's then shut them up.. :)
Well, :kest: it is the Saiga forum.

C.G.
07-13-2007, 12:01 AM
WTF? You were just guessing on the answer? Why would you even feel the need to contribute to this thread when you don't know the answer?

How do you think it helps anyone to just pull an answer out of your butt?

Not a good way to get friends around here, mate.:chillpill:

Biff...
07-13-2007, 4:12 AM
I know you asked about a .308, but I just took out my 7.62 and got alot tighter groups than my ar, or ak. I have to say I was very impress(sp) with my saiga, cheapest of all my riffles and it shoots the best. I left the range with a big smile on my face.

CALI-gula
07-13-2007, 10:16 AM
Goto http://forum.saiga-12.com/ and look under the 308 subforum..I really want a 16 or 21 inch Saiga..Then I can challenge those snobs with their pretty AR10s , M1A's and FAL's then shut them up.. :)

I have the 22 inch RAA .308 Saiga (21.8" barrel) as well as all other rifles noted, in various forms, high-end to low-end. You can challenge the others with a Saiga, as you could with a BB gun, but don't expect to win. You might beat a poorly built Franken-FAL and/or one that used a bad parts kit, but I would not expect any high-end performance out of a standard Saiga.

Now you might get a Tromix built Saiga to do the job, however I think it would only be comparable, parallel, and not show as anything stellar over the competition. (I own some uppers from Tony Rumore and his work is great, but there is only so much one can do).

Even if you did match or closely beat the others in performance, you defeated the idea of the Saiga itself, which gives honor and correlates to its AK heritage; an inexpensive .308 semi-auto rifle with moderate accuracy. Shelling out over $1250 for a Tromix minimizes any ability to gloat should you match any of those rifles in performance. At that point, you could have paid a few hundreds less for a DPMS based AR .308 build or about the same for a standard M1A, and likely gotten similar or better accuracy.

I really like my RAA Saiga 22" but I won't cul-de-sac any pipe-dreams of it, in this case, the pipe being the barrel and its chamber. It's value is being an inexpensive AK influenced rifle, reliable, that will eat anything, nearly never quit or hang up, and not some kind of collectible that needs to be put under glass. It will shoot when I need it, probably even if I neglect it and let it form a good pretty coat of rust.

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CALI-gula
07-13-2007, 10:27 AM
WTF? You were just guessing on the answer? Why would you even feel the need to contribute to this thread when you don't know the answer? How do you think it helps anyone to just pull an answer out of your butt?

Huh? Isn't this your post confirming worse?

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=623452&postcount=6

I shot a buddy's Saiga .308 with the longer barrel a while back. With any kind of milsurp we were getting 4-5 inch groups at 100 yards.

I ran some Federal match and that brought it down to about 3 -4 inches at 100 yards. We were using the 4x scope that came with it.

xeno, due to his experience, ownership, and a history of experimentation with a large repertoire of firearms, especially AK based rifles, is more likely to be able to give a best-guess as to accuracy, and be dead-on correct, than most other people could by shooting their single Saiga all day at the range and still flub the results in some manner.

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eckerph
07-13-2007, 11:09 AM
WTF? You were just guessing on the answer? Why would you even feel the need to contribute to this thread when you don't know the answer?

How do you think it helps anyone to just pull an answer out of your butt?
Reply With Quote -whatever

:ban:

whatever
07-13-2007, 11:37 AM
Huh? Isn't this your post confirming worse?

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=623452&postcount=6


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That is EXACTLY my point. I have actual experience with the rifle in question. I really hate it when people post their guesses as fact. It help no one to spread bad info. I am particularly peeved because I have bought a few firearms after reading claims of great accuracy, and have been disappointed at the range results.

I can never figure out why people feel the need to post their opinion as fact. If you are going to post a guess, please call it a guess.

whatever
07-13-2007, 11:41 AM
Wow Whatever,

You need to take a chill pill.....Or one of the Moderators will be by and kick your A@@.

Xeno knows this stuff on PSLs and Dragunovs. If they can only get 1-2 MOA's how can a more shoddily made Siaga do the same.

Again, this is EXACTLY my point. "Xeno" originally posted this:
Somewhere 1-2 MOA-ish...

In other words, don't expect a tack driver...

This answer is false and is not based on actual experience.

I admit I came off harsh and I apologize to those I've offended.

Steyr_223
07-13-2007, 1:26 PM
Now let's all just get along..We are on the same side..

grammaton76
07-13-2007, 1:38 PM
Heh, I've never recommended the Saiga 308 to folks as an accuracy rifle, and steer folks away from the 20" barrel version unless they want the extra FPS and kinetic energy. I do, however, heartily recommend $380 16" Saigas in 308 as trunk guns over a $600 SU-16CA. It'll take care of anything you need it to, looks politically correct in the event of a traffic stop, and costs a fraction of what any other 308 semi-auto mag-fed rifle is going to run you. Your car getting stolen with a $1500 M1A in the back would really suck.

PsychoTrucker
07-13-2007, 2:06 PM
:iagree:

BossHogg
07-13-2007, 3:57 PM
I have the 16" and it is Fairly accurate single shot. But rapid firing is a joke. I think the x39mm is a better trunk gun due to less recoil/muzzle rise and more ammo capacity.

grammaton76
07-13-2007, 4:04 PM
I have the 16" and it is Fairly accurate single shot. But rapid firing is a joke. I think the x39mm is a better trunk gun due to less recoil/muzzle rise and more ammo capacity.

You have a point on the muzzle rise (although you could perhaps find a pin-on brake that doesn't suck to address that).

However, ammo capacity... when it's 10rds of 7.62x39mm vs 8rds of 308, I'd bet on the 8rds of 308.

...besides, if certain things fall through as desired, we may be able to use 20rd mags in the things. :)

BossHogg
07-13-2007, 4:18 PM
10 rounds?? Ill take 40rds of x39 pre ban mag in my reconfigured American/Russian 922r compliant Saiga :43: Allthough that would have a fair amount of explaining to do at a traffic stop, I doubt too many traffic LEO's know the details of 922r.

The Professional
07-13-2007, 4:26 PM
10 rounds?? Ill take 40rds of x39 pre ban mag in my reconfigured American/Russian 922r compliant Saiga :43:

How do you make the regular AK preban mags to work in a Saiga?

BossHogg
07-13-2007, 4:49 PM
How do you make the regular AK preban mags to work in a Saiga?

First you have to replace the spring, folower and baseplate to USA parts(unless you own a american made preban AK mag) Then file a little bit off the mag catch(look at the Saiga mag to see how much) Then drill and tap or weld an american made feed ramp on top of the Trunnion. This allows you to use the Saiga or AK mags. But remember that you MUST have no more than 10 foreign parts that are on the 922r list or you are breaking a federal law.

jkasandiego
07-13-2007, 4:59 PM
I've shot 20 rounds of SA and 20 rounds of Australian ammo .308 and had
1 to 2 moa @ 100 yards the last time i took the saiga to the range.
The rifle was benched and scoped.
I'll post a pic. next range session.

neomentat
07-13-2007, 5:11 PM
i don't shoot for accuracy and don't know much about moa and what not, i like to shoot for fun and hunt. i have a .308 saiga 16 inch barrel with the 8x posp scope, it's a perfect big game hunting rifle that's rugged and reliable. i can hit soda cans easily within 100 yards. the 8rnd mag can be easily modified into 10rnd mags by filing down the plastic thingy in the mag which limits capacity.

@ $300 for a semi automatic .308 rifle that's dead reliable, i don't see how you can go wrong with that.

but one thing is certain, $300 will not buy a match grade rifle and i wouldn't use a saiga in competition.

Steyr_223
07-13-2007, 5:14 PM
My Shotokan Brother, was that with the 16in or 21in?

Thanks,

S

jkasandiego
07-13-2007, 5:18 PM
@ $300 for a semi automatic .308 rifle that's dead reliable, i don't see how you can go wrong with that.

but one thing is certain, $300 will not buy a match grade rifle and i wouldn't use a saiga in competition.[/QUOTE]

Agree...:)

OptionX3
07-13-2007, 5:27 PM
I've shot 20 rounds of SA and 20 rounds of Australian ammo .308 and had
1 to 2 moa @ 100 yards the last time i took the saiga to the range.
The rifle was benched and scoped.
I'll post a pic. next range session.

22" or 16" Barrel?
-TIA

tuna quesadilla
07-13-2007, 6:29 PM
...besides, if certain things fall through as desired, we may be able to use 20rd mags in the things. :)

:eek: Do tell!

jkasandiego
07-13-2007, 6:32 PM
22" or 16" Barrel?
-TIA

22'' wood stock.

BossHogg
07-14-2007, 1:05 AM
@ $300 for a semi automatic .308 rifle that's dead reliable, i don't see how you can go wrong with that.

No doubt on that one. Thats why I bought mine. Only wish I could own what Saiga is realy known for. The Kalashnikov action 12 gauge :drool5:

grammaton76
07-14-2007, 6:44 AM
:eek: Do tell!

Read the "age to buy hicap mags" thread...

neomentat
07-14-2007, 7:53 AM
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