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Standard
12-16-2011, 9:37 AM
I have an AK that I run as a featureless setup, which has been OK. Toying with the idea of a fixed mag, but the AK BBs I've used in the past have been pretty cumbersome, especially compared to the AR BB setup.
I liked the BB vs featureless on my AR because the mag release was still very easy with the UBBT attached to all of my mags.
So, what are you AK guys using, and how do you like it?
Pic for reference ;)
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c318/ZUMin3K/1321231263555.jpg

atsaubrey
12-16-2011, 9:40 AM
Solar Tactical on 90% of mine. I feel it is the easiest to manipulate.

Standard
12-16-2011, 9:44 AM
How is it different/more effective than the others?

atsaubrey
12-16-2011, 10:14 AM
Not anymore effective than the others. Instead of a block wrapping around the mag catch this one simply "clamps" onto the trigger guard. Also some of the block types simply have a hole on the bottom that can sometimes become a pain to get leverage or enough "tool travel" to release the mag. The Solar Tactical has a "slot" which is open on the mag catch side so leverage and tool travel are not an issue. PLUS its much less guady than the others IMO.

Solar Tactical

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w84/atsaubrey/krinkbuild-1.jpg

Other brand.

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w84/atsaubrey/IMG_20110623_154655.jpg

Standard
12-16-2011, 10:19 AM
Great info, thanks. I was worried about leverage, so that's good to know.
Still interested in any other opinions as well!

jonc
12-16-2011, 10:19 AM
Solar Tactical 100% best one out!!!

nick
12-16-2011, 10:23 AM
I use Solar Tactical on mine. However, it still is cumbersome, it's just the nature of the beast with AK maglocks.

californa
12-16-2011, 11:28 AM
Had the same question. I just went with solar tactical. I'm happy it works just fine. Easy install and easy removal if you ever leave the state. Took me about two mins to put it on.

Standard
12-16-2011, 11:45 AM
Had the same question. I just went with solar tactical. I'm happy it works just fine. Easy install and easy removal if you ever leave the state. Took me about two mins to put it on.

How bad are the mag changes? Do there exist any AK-specific (more or less) tools that make it much easier, such as the UBBT does with the AR?

j.primo
12-16-2011, 11:50 AM
Another + for solar

Calplinker
12-16-2011, 11:53 AM
My converted Saiga had one on it that was cumbersome as heck. Bought Rifle Gear's and it functions much better.

http://www.riflegear.com/p-554-ak47-bullet-button.aspx

SideWinder11
12-16-2011, 12:16 PM
I have both. The Assault Planet version is more sturdy and solid on the gun but as others have mentioned it takes more feness to get the mag off. The Solar Tactical version is less sturdy and if not properly installed and wiggle backwards and expose the release. Not a good thing. However it is easier to use.

zombiescanlearn
12-16-2011, 12:37 PM
My converted Saiga had one on it that was cumbersome as heck. Bought Rifle Gear's and it functions much better.

http://www.riflegear.com/p-554-ak47-bullet-button.aspx

Does it work the same way as a BB on an AR15?

zfields
12-16-2011, 12:38 PM
Does it work the same way as a BB on an AR15?

None of them really do.

luckystrike
12-16-2011, 12:39 PM
Solar tac. I go out of state alot and its easy to remove

CSACANNONEER
12-16-2011, 12:42 PM
I have (and still use) Jumbopandas, Radlocks (I'm not a fan but, they are the only lock for certain applications), Solar Tacticals and different versions of real Bullet Buttons too. I really like Solar Tactical mag locks but, the new AK Bullet Buttons JRs are even nicer than the Solar Tactical and, IIRC, they are less expensive.

Standard
12-16-2011, 1:01 PM
I have (and still use) Jumbopandas, Radlocks (I'm not a fan but, they are the only lock for certain applications), Solar Tacticals and different versions of real Bullet Buttons too. I really like Solar Tactical mag locks but, the new AK Bullet Buttons JRs are even nicer than the Solar Tactical and, IIRC, they are less expensive.

Any info on these AK Bullet Buttons JRs? Where are they sold?

SamSung
12-16-2011, 1:06 PM
AK uses BB?

Standard
12-16-2011, 1:13 PM
AK uses BB?

It's not a button, per se, but is commonly referred to as a BB, yes.

SamSung
12-16-2011, 1:21 PM
Should be reffered to as a "Maglock"

Standard
12-16-2011, 1:32 PM
Yes, but this thread seemed to be doing just fine with the term BB somehow.

CSACANNONEER
12-16-2011, 1:40 PM
Any info on these AK Bullet Buttons JRs? Where are they sold?

The only place you can buy real Bullet Buttons, Assault Planet.

AK uses BB?

If you buy an AK "Bullet Button", they can.

It's not a button, per se, but is commonly referred to as a BB, yes.

"Bullet Button" is a registered trademark.

Should be reffered to as a "Maglock"

Yep, anything but Assault Planet "Bullet Buttons" is nothing more than a mag lock. But, there are real "Bullet Buttons" (not actaul buttons) made by Assault Planet.

Yes, but this thread seemed to be doing just fine with the term BB somehow.

See above. "Bullet Buttons" are a registered trade mark of one of the long time members here. He was the one who brought the concept of attachable magazine rifles into the mainstream. We should all respect his work and trademark enough to not refer to any other product except his when using his trademarks.

yuccales
12-16-2011, 1:53 PM
I like Solar Tactical. They work good for me.

Standard
12-16-2011, 2:59 PM
Thanks for the info CSA. All this time here and I never realized that Bullet Button was an actual brand of magazine lock. It's been used as a generic term for so long that it stuck.
The Solar Tactical one does look good. Anyone use the rapid release tool that they also sell? Wraps around the magazine with a protruding nub to engage the magazine lever.

CSACANNONEER
12-16-2011, 3:05 PM
I've got a couple solar tactical rapid releases but, I've only used them a few times. They don't work on drums. If you are only going to have a few mags, you might like them but, if you are going to use mags that aren't yours or drums, I'd suggest looking for other alternatives.

Standard
12-16-2011, 3:19 PM
I've got a couple solar tactical rapid releases but, I've only used them a few times. They don't work on drums. If you are only going to have a few mags, you might like them but, if you are going to use mags that aren't yours or drums, I'd suggest looking for other alternatives.

Can you expand on that a bit? I don't have drums, and have several of my own mags. My main concern when looking at them is that the nub would slide along the mag, not having enough tension to hold in place to activate the magazine release.

CSACANNONEER
12-16-2011, 3:22 PM
Can you expand on that a bit? I don't have drums, and have several of my own mags. My main concern when looking at them is that the nub would slide along the mag, not having enough tension to hold in place to activate the magazine release.

They work but, I did not really like the fact that I can't get them on as tight as I'd like to. There is a little wobble in them due to the cloth straps. But, again, they do work.

Arnelcheeze
12-16-2011, 3:39 PM
I have this one... and its a pain in the ***!
http://www.riflegear.com/images/Product/icon/554.jpg

but maybe this one would be easier
http://www.riflegear.com/howto/raddlock/ak_animate.gif
http://www.riflegear.com/p-268-raddlock-ak-series-magazine-lock-with-key.aspx

Roecar
12-16-2011, 4:07 PM
Here is my AK with said Solar Tactical maglock. You will have to put a lot more velcro under the strap than advised to get a secure hold on the mag release.

Video link because my embed skills suck... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvFqIkaLpAA&context=C3ea02d9ADOEgsToPDskKI_5NqeHwPF25B2w9um6Zs )

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/mvFqIkaLpAA" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Deadon
12-16-2011, 4:10 PM
Im going to let the cat out of the bag a little bit. Im coming out with a new style. As someone that shoots AK's a lot I just wanted something easier. Mine will be super easy to use I promise! Stay tuned guys.
Look for the K.G.B
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v19/tiller2nv/DSC_0030.jpg

Beatone
12-16-2011, 4:40 PM
I have this one... and its a pain in the ***!
http://www.riflegear.com/images/Product/icon/554.jpg

but maybe this one would be easier
http://www.riflegear.com/howto/raddlock/ak_animate.gif
http://www.riflegear.com/p-268-raddlock-ak-series-magazine-lock-with-key.aspx

Solar Tactical are the best. I've tried them all. The problem with the raddlock is you have to remove the original mag release pin and insert theirs. To me that reduces the value of the gun.

JAGGUY
12-16-2011, 4:59 PM
I tried most of them and the best for me is none. Once I went featureless I won't be going back.

Standard
12-16-2011, 5:15 PM
I tried most of them and the best for me is none. Once I went featureless I won't be going back.

I definitely wont be selling off my grip wrap in case the same thing happens to me :)

Carsgunsandchics
12-16-2011, 5:18 PM
I had a raddlock on one of mine and changed it over to the Solar Tactical one now it's sitting in a bag looking for a new home. Now all of them have the Solar.

Standard
12-16-2011, 5:19 PM
Here is my AK with said Solar Tactical maglock. You will have to put a lot more velcro under the strap than advised to get a secure hold on the mag release.

Video link because my embed skills suck... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvFqIkaLpAA&context=C3ea02d9ADOEgsToPDskKI_5NqeHwPF25B2w9um6Zs )

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/mvFqIkaLpAA" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

That actually doesnt look too bad. This is probably the setup ill try out.
Thanks for the feedback.

Swiss
12-16-2011, 8:12 PM
Not to derail this thread but that's a good lookin' rifle. What are the specs?

I have an AK that I run as a featureless setup, which has been OK. Toying with the idea of a fixed mag, but the AK BBs I've used in the past have been pretty cumbersome, especially compared to the AR BB setup.
I liked the BB vs featureless on my AR because the mag release was still very easy with the UBBT attached to all of my mags.
So, what are you AK guys using, and how do you like it?
Pic for reference ;)
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c318/ZUMin3K/1321231263555.jpg

Standard
12-16-2011, 8:33 PM
Not to derail this thread but that's a good lookin' rifle. What are the specs?

Thanks for the compliment :)
It's a Bulgarian parts kit built on an NDS receiver. It's 5.45x39 caliber.
I bought it from a Calgunner who built it. It really is one of the nicest AKs I've ever seen/handled as far as fit and finish go, and operation.

ChaneRZ
12-16-2011, 8:37 PM
This fancy bullet button tool from AK
http://i1108.photobucket.com/albums/h413/chanerz12/226207e0.jpg

vandal
12-16-2011, 8:38 PM
Would you expand in your Velcro comment? Do you have a way of preventing the tilt of the screw/tool?

Here is my AK with said Solar Tactical maglock. You will have to put a lot more velcro under the strap than advised to get a secure hold on the mag release.

Video link because my embed skills suck... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvFqIkaLpAA&context=C3ea02d9ADOEgsToPDskKI_5NqeHwPF25B2w9um6Zs )

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/mvFqIkaLpAA" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Standard
12-16-2011, 8:43 PM
I don't know much about it, but I imagine that the tool is held by the strap, which is held to the magazine by velcro tape.

Bigtwin
12-16-2011, 10:41 PM
I second the Solar Tactical mag lock! I have a small piece of 1/2" x 1/8" barstock that I cut to 4" and tapered the end and it fits up in there quick and easy to drop the mags. Sits right next to me when I shoot. Other than I have to pick it up off the table the mags drop just as fast as not having a maglock.

Bobby Ricigliano
12-17-2011, 3:21 AM
Featurless build coupled with some practice and patience is far superior to any maglock device.

Roecar
12-28-2011, 3:45 PM
Would you expand in your Velcro comment? Do you have a way of preventing the tilt of the screw/tool?

I'll try and get some pictures tonight (Lost my camera) but here's my best explanation.

The ST mag "button" is screwed onto a velcro strip. They provide several velcro loop circles that are meant to hold the strip in place. The problem with these circles is it doesn't provide enough hold when engaging the mag release on the gun. This could be due to the Chinese and Bulgarian mags I have but I think it's a minor general flaw.

To fix this issue, I cut a similar length of velcro loop to fit under the segment of the ST mag "button." This gives the ST mag "button" a more secure fit and also places more tension under the nipple portion so it doesn't flex as much allowing easier mag changes.

Again I'll try and get pictures but that's what I did to my mags. I hope this helps clear it up a little bit.

Mail Clerk
12-28-2011, 4:00 PM
I too use a Solar Tactical on my IO Casar and if I can mount it then anyone can. All you really need is a strong thin screw-driver or use the plastic buttons they give you along with the strap.

Mail Clerk

Ryan in SD
12-28-2011, 4:54 PM
I have my own design that I machine. It is way easier to use than the stumble-rific solar and raddlock. In both cases, actually using a 7.62x39 is one heck of a challenge compared to mine.

They will be black hard anodized, this one is just a rough prototype with no finish, just bare shiney T6 alumn. The "strap" will be of thinner steel, not hacked up alumn like in the pic, and shorter screws will be sold with it.

Also, they wont be $40 like Ive seen the other marketed for...which is hilarious to me that people spend that much for one.


This one is meant to be used with 7.62 from the start.
http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/9025/side2q.jpg

vandal
01-02-2012, 1:42 PM
Bump for pics. Is this just another piece of velcro under the screw head?

I'll try and get some pictures tonight (Lost my camera) but here's my best explanation.

The ST mag "button" is screwed onto a velcro strip. They provide several velcro loop circles that are meant to hold the strip in place. The problem with these circles is it doesn't provide enough hold when engaging the mag release on the gun. This could be due to the Chinese and Bulgarian mags I have but I think it's a minor general flaw.

To fix this issue, I cut a similar length of velcro loop to fit under the segment of the ST mag "button." This gives the ST mag "button" a more secure fit and also places more tension under the nipple portion so it doesn't flex as much allowing easier mag changes.

Again I'll try and get pictures but that's what I did to my mags. I hope this helps clear it up a little bit.

MrPlink
01-02-2012, 2:02 PM
keep the grip wrap and stay featureless!

Just pretend you are training to use your rifle in case you lose your thumb! :ninja:

norcal-ar
01-02-2012, 2:35 PM
Im going to let the cat out of the bag a little bit. Im coming out with a new style. As someone that shoots AK's a lot I just wanted something easier. Mine will be super easy to use I promise! Stay tuned guys.
Look for the K.G.B
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v19/tiller2nv/DSC_0030.jpg

got a solar tactical and love it! but im tagging this thread to keep an eye on ^^ want to see what he comes up with.

Standard
01-02-2012, 2:49 PM
keep the grip wrap and stay featureless!

Just pretend you are training to use your rifle in case you lose your thumb! :ninja:

I think that's the plan :p

vandal
01-02-2012, 4:03 PM
Alright, here's what I came up with for use with the Solar lock. I got some of the Solar rapid reload tools but I kept breaking off the tips or bending the screws. Maybe my mags were too tight or something too sharp. I understand that these things are wear items and disposable, but I was really going through them fast. Also with the tilting of the tip as described, I needed something more robust.

Take a metal shelf support from the hardware store and pound out the peg (one or two blows does it). This leaves a large hole that will support the new peg. Ideal seems to be a beefy flat-head bolt with a smooth shaft before the threading. Cut off the threaded part, and possibly grind down one side of the head if it's really big to fit your mag. Insert through the shelf support. One side of the shelf support goes on the front of the mag, and the velcro wraps around as usual. The velcro limits how far the peg can move.

http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac292/vandalpix/7e4697d4.jpg
http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac292/vandalpix/fa6a3408.jpg
http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac292/vandalpix/1e5371a0.jpg
http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac292/vandalpix/f0abf2eb.jpg
http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac292/vandalpix/1139293d.jpg

chead
01-02-2012, 4:10 PM
keep the grip wrap and stay featureless!

Just pretend you are training to use your rifle in case you lose your thumb! :ninja:

This.