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blackbok
12-13-2011, 8:37 PM
Looking at getting my first long distance bolt action. Actually, the Turners ad with the Remington 700 SPS made me look into getting one. I have been reading the comparisons between the Tactical and the varmint, but havent seen much info on the standard SPS. I know the barrel is not heavy, I know I will need a new stock, etc. But is it a decent platform to start with to do some long distance .308 shooting? The price seems hard to pass up (~$500 when all's said and done).

Or should I be looking at a police or tactical?

Mojaveman
12-13-2011, 8:44 PM
For sustained long distance shooting you're going to want a heavy barrel. I'd go with the varminter because it has the longer barrel. It would make a good starter rifle for long range because you can add better acessories as you become a better shooter.

Bhobbs
12-13-2011, 8:44 PM
I would look at the SPS-V. It is a long, heavy barrel and a lot of people use it as a base for their first long range rifle with good results.

http://remington.com/products/firearms/centerfire/model-700/model-700-sps-varmint.aspx

Helpful_Cub
12-13-2011, 9:01 PM
I hate to say it, but there's not a lot of difference from a performance stand point between the 20" heavy and the longer varmints. Since .308 is a short case, most of the burn has already happened by 20" and your only getting a few feet more per second with a longer barrel.

Cited from a previous thread: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=96968

Iggy
12-13-2011, 9:15 PM
I hate to say it, but there's not a lot of difference from a performance stand point between the 20" heavy and the longer varmints. Since .308 is a short case, most of the burn has already happened by 20" and your only getting a few feet more per second with a longer barrel.

Cited from a previous thread: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=96968

not really. You can get more velocity from a longer barrel, but you can get enough velocity from a 20" barrel to reach 1K. If you're only goal is speed, longer is better. If you just want to reach 1k then 20" will work.

Bhobbs
12-13-2011, 9:23 PM
I hate to say it, but there's not a lot of difference from a performance stand point between the 20" heavy and the longer varmints. Since .308 is a short case, most of the burn has already happened by 20" and your only getting a few feet more per second with a longer barrel.

Cited from a previous thread: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=96968

That few feet per second could be the difference between a nuclear load and something more reasonable. Besides its a long range rifle so weight isn't much of an issue.

BRANDON7766
12-13-2011, 9:25 PM
ive been wanting an sps for a while now...here's what i came to after all is said and done.

Buy the sps tactical...not because its tacticool but because it is dual pillar bedded...it has a better bedding than the sps varmit does and they are similar priced. now if you plan to swap stocks, obviously that changes things, if you plan to upgrade or shoot longer than 1k etc. or if you just plain old want a 26 inch barrel instead of a 20.

Iggy
12-13-2011, 9:29 PM
ive been wanting an sps for a while now...here's what i came to after all is said and done.

Buy the sps tactical...not because its tacticool but because it is dual pillar bedded...it has a better bedding than the sps varmit does and they are similar priced. now if you plan to swap stocks, obviously that changes things, if you plan to upgrade or shoot longer than 1k etc. or if you just plain old want a 26 inch barrel instead of a 20.

The Hogue stock is just as good as the Varmint stock. Replace both.

brian01tj
12-13-2011, 9:45 PM
The Hogue stock is just as good as the Varmint stock. Replace both.

^ this. Both are junk. Dual pillars doesnt do much when the stock isnt bedded to begin with.

brian01tj
12-13-2011, 9:46 PM
I would look at the SPS-V. It is a long, heavy barrel and a lot of people use it as a base for their first long range rifle with good results.

http://remington.com/products/firearms/centerfire/model-700/model-700-sps-varmint.aspx

^ Id go with the Varmint as well , its a good choice

blackbok
12-13-2011, 9:53 PM
So it's looking like the SPS should be passed over for either a varmint or tact.

vintagearms
12-13-2011, 10:11 PM
not really. You can get more velocity from a longer barrel, but you can get enough velocity from a 20" barrel to reach 1K. If you're only goal is speed, longer is better. If you just want to reach 1k then 20" will work.

Sure it will get there. One of the important things your missing is wind. The more velocity the easier that pill will travel with wind bucking it.

hcbr
12-13-2011, 10:31 PM
I have the varmint, and it's great! the Police is also a good alternative if you want a shorter barrel and better stock.

SgtJT27
12-14-2011, 12:25 AM
The SPs tactical should do you fine with the 20" barrel.

Read this:http://www.tacticaloperations.com/SWATbarrel/

Iggy
12-14-2011, 8:31 AM
Sure it will get there. One of the important things your missing is wind. The more velocity the easier that pill will travel with wind bucking it.

Right, which is why I said if he was after velocity or just having the minimum to reach out there. The other thing to consider is how often you will be shooting at distance? Will you be carrying the rifle for a long period of time?

In my opinion on a factory Remington I would go with the 26". The barrels on the stock rifles aren't as good as an aftermarket one. A custom 26" barrel can yield more velocity than a factory Remington 26" barrel with the same load. You can also get similar speeds with the same load using a shorter custom barrel. My TacOps is being built with a 21" barrel and it should give me 2650 FPS on my 175SMK's. Plenty for 1K travel.

Besides, if you get the 26" and you want it shorter you can always cut it down.

Iggy
12-14-2011, 8:32 AM
The SPs tactical should do you fine with the 20" barrel.

Read this:http://www.tacticaloperations.com/SWATbarrel/

I think those are not using factory barrels. I'm a fan of short barrels, but the article doesn't address them as stock.

docsmileyface
12-14-2011, 8:40 AM
I just bought an SPS Tactical from Buds for $594. Got to wait for them to ship it now.

Wycoff013
12-14-2011, 8:51 AM
Just my two cents, but have you looked at the Savage fcp-k? I have a Remington 700 and love it but was looking for another long distance gun that may have a bit more flexibility and advantages from the start. I ran across a lot of people who were very happy with the fcp-k rifle and it's not much more than the 700. I just picked one up for Christmas in .308 with a 24" barrel for $760.

Iggy
12-14-2011, 10:45 AM
Or Tikka's for that matter? Tikka CTR is a great out of the box rifle. All you need is a bipod and scope.

Check out this thread on my Tikka - http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=446818

Japsican
12-14-2011, 10:52 AM
SPS is on sale today only at turners for a pretty low price including rebate. http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=510492

700tactical
12-14-2011, 3:57 PM
i love my tactical, great rifle for price. it probably will always be more capable then me. just be ready to spend so cash for good glass cause the rifle is just the beginning

cfusionpm
12-14-2011, 4:38 PM
i love my tactical, great rifle for price. it probably will always be more capable then me. just be ready to spend so cash for good glass cause the rifle is just the beginning

I went down that road myself just a week or so ago. Ended up with a 700 SPS Tactical and NF 3.5-15 scope. Buy once cry once.... There goes my year-end bonus from work!

I hope to be able to take it out for the first time this weekend. :)

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/5232/img9356i.jpg

http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/6649/img9372q.jpg

bjl333
12-14-2011, 9:34 PM
So it's looking like the SPS should be passed over for either a varmint or tact.

^^^^ This ^^^^

xxINKxx
12-15-2011, 9:35 AM
Sps tactically is just fine. I'm a noob at precision shooting and I'm killing center mass at 600 yards easily. The houge overmold stock is slightly flexible but for a non competitive shooter your not going to notice or be affected by it.

You should have no problem going much farther then 600 yrds with a decent scope and bullet load