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BRANDON7766
12-07-2011, 9:58 PM
Which top companies make a mid length FACTORY AR. Not just the upper but a full rifle? I've been told they have a softer recoil.

RRichie09
12-07-2011, 10:29 PM
Noveske is probably the one you are looking for since you want the "best"

1911man
12-07-2011, 10:35 PM
I am looking for a BCM 16" myself.

luchador768
12-07-2011, 10:50 PM
I have a Noveske 14.5 light basic, it's by far and away my favorite AR! $1,299 from Turners, I'm looking for another one as a spare!

Jimmy310
12-07-2011, 11:20 PM
I have a Rock River Arms Midlength A2 Upper, but you can buy an entire rifle from them with lots of options. Mine has a few upgrades like retractable buttstock, magpul moe pistol grip and trigger guard, trijicon front post nightsight.

Im a fan of iron sights and carry handles.

Sorry for the crappy pic, i just took it: http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac319/jbusman84/IMAG0070.jpg?t=1323328776

ArkinDomino
12-07-2011, 11:42 PM
KAC SR-15.

But you have to settle for the upper only in this state. :(

rojocorsa
12-07-2011, 11:49 PM
The BCM offerings are pretty decent.

Colt-45
12-08-2011, 12:24 AM
OP,

YOu want piston or DI? 14.5 or 16?

TwoAsoapbox
12-08-2011, 3:54 AM
"Pretty decent" is an understatement when it comes to BCM. Research "Filty 14" whenever you get a chance. Its a mid-lenght BCM gun that has over 40k rounds through it with very little cleaning, almost all the original parts and only a handful of failures. Pretty awesome!

CK_32
12-08-2011, 9:35 AM
There is no best. But bcm is a good one for the price. If you have cash to spend noveske.

BAGunner
12-08-2011, 9:57 AM
If you have cash for noveske, go with Larue OBR 556.

fullspeed1
12-08-2011, 10:09 AM
"Pretty decent" is an understatement when it comes to BCM. Research "Filty 14" whenever you get a chance. Its a mid-lenght BCM gun that has over 40k rounds through it with very little cleaning, almost all the original parts and only a handful of failures. Pretty awesome!

She's a hard worker, That Filthy little girl:D .....

SIGSHOOTR
12-08-2011, 12:13 PM
Without knowing your budget-- I would say Daniel Defense, BCM (and if you want to go Gucci)-- Noveske. Can't go wrong with any of these brands. And if you want to go a little off the beaten path-- Centurion Arms.

nitroxdiver
12-08-2011, 1:00 PM
DD M4v3 complete rifle. Great gun, great 9" rail system, fixed fsb, Rugged rear buis, comes with DD vfg, midlength gas. Mpi & hp tested bbl and bolt, Ready to go out of the box.

Roots
12-08-2011, 1:04 PM
Likeing my DD

SFCRoOKs
12-08-2011, 1:22 PM
NOVESKE,LWRC,LMT and LARUE top tier rifles!!

IPSICK
12-08-2011, 1:45 PM
You didn't mention price, so when I think of best AR-15 I think of JP.

JP15 VTAC (http://www.jprifles.com/1.2.3_JP15VTAC.php)

http://www.jprifles.com/jp_galleries/198.jpg

Colt-45
12-08-2011, 3:07 PM
Middlength's I trust:

Noveske 14.5" Light with switchblock
http://noveskerifleworks.com/imimg/lcmlp-556-sb_5.jpg

LWRC M6A3 16" with gas regulator
http://www.rifleoutfit.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/m/6/m6a3u5b16_3.jpg

BCM 14.5" Midlength
http://a248.e.akamai.net/origin-cdn.volusion.com/j4enh.r2en5/v/vspfiles/photos/BCM-URG-MID-14-BFH-2.jpg

223556
12-08-2011, 3:19 PM
I have a BCM 14.5" with Battlecomp 1.5, awesome set up and great price too.

fullspeed1
12-08-2011, 6:53 PM
^^Damn nice combo

xxINKxx
12-08-2011, 7:12 PM
Which top companies make a mid length FACTORY AR. Not just the upper but a full rifle? I've been told they have a softer recoil.

Not sure on the softer recoil. My cmmg carbine upper (spikes buffer) and riflegear/Daniel defense midlength upper (also spikes buffer) feel pretty much identical.

Midlength is pretty nice though with the extra inch and half of rail

HK Dave
12-08-2011, 7:43 PM
I think in terms of accuracy and dollar value, nothing comes close to a Rainier Ultramatch upper.

Noah3683
12-08-2011, 7:55 PM
whichever one you buy and enjoy. You are never going to get a satisfactory answer.... also I seen LMT mentioned and the only way they offer a mid-length is in their MRP line which approaches $2K

SIGSHOOTR
12-08-2011, 8:18 PM
Not sure on the softer recoil. My cmmg carbine upper (spikes buffer) and riflegear/Daniel defense midlength upper (also spikes buffer) feel pretty much identical.

Midlength is pretty nice though with the extra inch and half of rail

Exactly. I can't feel any difference in felt recoil. It cracks me up when people say a midlength reduces the "violent recoil" of a carbine length gas system. IMO, the biggest advantage of a middy is that extra rail space to get your support hand out further on the barrel. Still, I'm getting a 14.5" middy upper to switch off with my 16" carbine :D.

Nismo
12-08-2011, 8:23 PM
Exactly. I can't feel any difference in felt recoil. It cracks me up when people say a midlength reduces the "violent recoil" of a carbine length gas system. IMO, the biggest advantage of a middy is that extra rail space to get your support hand out further on the barrel.

Its more of the recoil of the moving parts inside the upper rather than felt recoil of the shooter.

Flying Bones
12-08-2011, 9:02 PM
Great question...I want these answers too.

RRichie09
12-08-2011, 10:00 PM
Exactly. I can't feel any difference in felt recoil. It cracks me up when people say a midlength reduces the "violent recoil" of a carbine length gas system. IMO, the biggest advantage of a middy is that extra rail space to get your support hand out further on the barrel.

Yeah but you can get a 13.2" free float for your 16" carbine.

More importantly, I've never shot a carbine AR so I was wondering if you could feel the difference between .223 and 5.56 Just asking as a reference as I'm curious as to how much of an affect a middy has on recoil.

badfish71
12-08-2011, 10:18 PM
Check out Rainier arms new complete AR from them.. The R.U.C. The rifle has a lot of upgrades as standard equipment ..

nvision
12-08-2011, 10:22 PM
after owning 2, i personally think BCM is pretty awesome.

supermario
12-08-2011, 10:25 PM
I had the Noveske 16" Light Recce Basic and it was my favorite. I had a PWS comp on it and it was the softest shooting rifle. The basic light Recce is not that pricey.

bighead
12-08-2011, 11:37 PM
I love my spikes middy.All milspec, lifetime warranty.

SR-71 BLACKBIRD
12-08-2011, 11:40 PM
I love my spikes middy.All milspec, lifetime warranty.

+1 .

Cyc Wid It
12-08-2011, 11:56 PM
We need more "best" threads. Get on it people.

ArkinDomino
12-09-2011, 12:13 AM
We need more "best" threads. Get on it people.

Agreed. We also need a poll thread about which "best of" thread is the best thread.

C4iGrant
12-09-2011, 5:15 AM
DD, BCM, Noveske are some of the best. Why? They take the TDP and apply it to the middy. This ensures that you will receive a high quality fighting weapon.



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NotPukeGreen
12-09-2011, 10:13 AM
Here is a decent combo: Just add your favorite Lower. Receiver
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/665965/adams-arms-ar-15-a3-base-mid-length-gas-piston-upper-assembly-556x45mm-nato-1-in-7-twist-16-barrel-melonite-treated-chrome-moly-matte-with-m4-handguard-flash-hider-pre-ban

http://palmettostatearmory.com/598.php

OOpppsss. Sorry went back and read Orig post. This would need to be assem.

Agent Tikki
12-09-2011, 10:58 AM
Rainer Arms RUC
BCM
Daniel Defense
Spikes Tactical
LMT
Palmetto State Armory

The list goes on and on

maxima
12-09-2011, 11:28 AM
DD, BCM, Noveske are some of the best. Why? They take the TDP and apply it to the middy. This ensures that you will receive a high quality fighting weapon.



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TDP for middy?:confused: Only Colt and FN knows TDP for US military and it is business secret. No other company can even touch TDP, How BCM, Noveske, DD meet TDP spec for civilian products?

C4iGrant
12-09-2011, 11:35 AM
TDP for middy?:confused: Only Colt and FN knows TDP for US military and it is business secret. No other company can even touch TDP, How BCM, Noveske, DD meet TDP spec for civilian products?

Very true.


It is also good to have friends in the industry. ;)




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till44
12-09-2011, 12:34 PM
I'd say BCM is hands down the best rifle you'll get for your money in build quality, dependability, and longevity. DD, Noveske, and Larue also make great midlengths though, you won't go wrong with any of them.

Noah3683
12-09-2011, 1:08 PM
If you plan on adding a rail. Dd is the best value for top quality. If you want traditional handguards. Bcm is the best value. Lmt mrp and noveske will be the most costly

BRANDON7766
12-09-2011, 3:19 PM
Larue makes good products, might consider them.

TwoAsoapbox
12-09-2011, 5:14 PM
Dwell time is generally what determines felt recoil. Dwell time is the time/distance the bullet has to travel after passing the gas port before leaving the muzzle. A mid length 16" gun has the same dwell time as a pinned 14.5" carbine length gun. A 16" carbine has more dwell time so yes there is slightly more felt recoil. I have a light weight barreled 14.5" carbine from BCM and it shoots like a dream.

rojocorsa
12-09-2011, 10:39 PM
"Pretty decent" is an understatement when it comes to BCM. Research "Filty 14" whenever you get a chance. Its a mid-lenght BCM gun that has over 40k rounds through it with very little cleaning, almost all the original parts and only a handful of failures. Pretty awesome!

I knew all about that.

It's just that I use the word "decent" a lot.

Personally I want to buy a 16" BCM mid-length, so yeah...wish I had $$$.

SIGSHOOTR
12-09-2011, 11:47 PM
Not sure if it's the best, but it certainly ranks up there with the best. I just ordered one of these from Monty at Centurion (cancelled my BCM order). Always wanted one of his uppers and now that he's back from deployment, he's cranking 'em out. Centurion Arms C2 14.5" middy upper. Thought I'd go off the beaten path. Now, I need to figure out what muzzle device to pin on it. Leaning towards a BC 1.5...

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