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Jason P
12-07-2011, 1:29 PM
On a budget, looking to get one centerfire rifle under $500 for paranoia purposes. Ammo prices, rifle price, cheap reliable accessories are a plus but not super important, just a sling of some sort is my only issue. Probably never go over 2-300 yards max.

I already have a shotgun, handgun and .22

Let the fun begin:)

zfields
12-07-2011, 1:35 PM
AK. Ak 74 or saiga 545 for cheapest ammo.

0351USMC
12-07-2011, 1:35 PM
Saiga 5.45x39 and converted

gotshotgun?
12-07-2011, 1:36 PM
Saiga 5.45x39 and converted

This

tgriffin
12-07-2011, 1:38 PM
Pst... Hint.... Replace rifle with shotgun in the title and you'll get closer to what you actually need.

BlackReef
12-07-2011, 1:39 PM
Yugo SKS or other SKS variant

/end thread

mike_the_wino
12-07-2011, 1:40 PM
Best SHTF? Not a rifle, that's for sure. You want machete! Never jams, never runs out of ammo. But spear or claymore works too.

Milsurps
12-07-2011, 1:49 PM
Saiga or SKS. 7.62x39 ammo readily available. :D

Jason P
12-07-2011, 1:54 PM
Pst... Hint.... Replace rifle with shotgun in the title and you'll get closer to what you actually need.

Covered on the shotgun, handgun and .22, time for something with some longer range nastiness.

Striker
12-07-2011, 1:59 PM
On a budget, looking to get one centerfire rifle under $500 for paranoia purposes. Ammo prices, rifle price, cheap reliable accessories are a plus but not super important, just a sling of some sort is my only issue. Probably never go over 2-300 yards max.

Let the fun begin:)

I guess an AK of some type would be closest to your price range. I'm not an expert on AKs and the only ones I've looked at are Arsenals and they tend to run in the $800.00 price range, so still above what you want to spend.

If I were spending $500.00, I'd find a used Remington 870 Police Magnum or a Mossberg 590 shotgun; equip it with an extension tube, a sling, a light, a set of sights, load it with slugs and be done with it. I think in your price range you can get a good pump shotgun and equip it with what you need or a questionable rifle. IMHO, if you want a go to rifle and the shotgun doesn't appeal to you, you're better saving a little more money and buying something a little nicer. Just my opinion.

luckystrike
12-07-2011, 2:06 PM
If I'm buying a rifle for "shtf" and there is even a 1% chance of me needin it I will buy the best rifle money can buy. But that's just me, personally I think I am worth more than $500

Jason P
12-07-2011, 2:09 PM
If I'm buying a rifle for "shtf" and there is even a 1% chance of me needin it I will buy the best rifle money can buy. But that's just me, personally I think I am worth more than $500

That whole on a budget thing, kinda changes my mind on that. Also, I'd ather have something inexpensive to feed that I can train with constantly.

BRANDON7766
12-07-2011, 2:17 PM
Build an AR for near that price and you can do it slowly.

Ryan in SD
12-07-2011, 2:22 PM
OMG he used 3 of the worse thread word modifiers. "best, most, and shtf"".

ibtb

InGrAM
12-07-2011, 2:23 PM
Save a little more and get a Mini-14 or 30. The ones at the prisons in CA are all treated like **** and they run day after day and have been for many years.

peter95
12-07-2011, 2:24 PM
ak.

im sure you already knew that....

chozenfew805
12-07-2011, 2:33 PM
Definitely a Saiga either .223 7.62X39 or 5.45

tomd1584
12-07-2011, 2:34 PM
I agree with others and say some sort of Saiga.

Fadedline
12-07-2011, 2:50 PM
Mosin Nagant and a few thousand rounds. :D

Cyc Wid It
12-07-2011, 2:56 PM
http://annenahm.com/anneimage/2009/11/Michael+Jackson+Jackson_popcorn.gif

There is none under $500.

NorCalK9.com
12-07-2011, 3:03 PM
Ak
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=508155
I built all those for 500 or less.
And these are what I really wanted

Johnnykck
12-07-2011, 3:08 PM
Save a couple of more months and buy what you really want. My advice. It's what I did.

Jason P
12-07-2011, 3:09 PM
So Saiga, which one? I have 30rd mags for 7.62 and AR, so one of those unless 5.45 can work in AR mags...

tgriffin
12-07-2011, 3:10 PM
In that case SKS.

CC Gunsmithing
12-07-2011, 3:10 PM
sks

glockman19
12-07-2011, 3:19 PM
I say a used Mini-14...It shoots .223/5.56...same MOA as an AK

MrPlink
12-07-2011, 3:19 PM
[QUOTE=mike_the_wino;7627506 But spear or claymore works too.[/QUOTE]

spears are great if you have a bunch of buddies who have em too so you can form a phalanx.

The claymore is great if you are fighting a bunch of guys with spears in a phalanx! :D


But as mentioned a million times, go with an AK pattern. Almost all of them are good, just avoid IO

HalfMeltingEyes
12-07-2011, 3:19 PM
Kel-Tec SU-16

Dhena81
12-07-2011, 4:49 PM
You leave yourself no other options with that price range its an AK

Dark Mod
12-07-2011, 4:55 PM
Obviously an AK, although i hate them

Steve1968LS2
12-07-2011, 5:13 PM
Can build an AR for $550.. since you have high caps.. just keep it featureless.

jvpark
12-07-2011, 5:17 PM
Saiga or SKS. 7.62x39 ammo readily available. :D

+1 :oji::oji:

Jason P
12-07-2011, 5:19 PM
Would I be better off with with an AK or bolt rifle? I don't necessarily need to look cool. I handle that on my own:)

Eastbayguy
12-07-2011, 5:24 PM
Get Draco.

jvpark
12-07-2011, 5:37 PM
Would I be better off with with an AK or bolt rifle? I don't necessarily need to look cool. I handle that on my own:)

AK... if SHTF the Zombie* shooting back at you will likely have an AK or AR.

*I did not want to say "Guy" because I might of offended some left wing wack job.

xxINKxx
12-07-2011, 5:57 PM
You can buy 5 mosin nagants for 500$ (they go for 89$ to 99$) lol

But an AK is your best bet in that price range.

Cato
12-07-2011, 5:59 PM
You can probably find a used AR or AK for that price.

bombadillo
12-07-2011, 6:02 PM
SKS IMO hands down. Simple, utilitarian, no crazy features so it doesn't look TOO evil, bayonet on it that lets you get up and personal if you run out of ammo, and easy to work on yourself.

http://www.kywon.com/Guns/SKS/SKSfull2s.jpg

ScottsBad
12-07-2011, 6:09 PM
Wow, lots of good suggestions! Leaving out a shotgun, this would be my list in order.
1. AK-47 - Unbelievable reliability.
2. Saiga & lots of magazines - I like 7.62X39 because of the cheap ammo.
3. AR-15 - Buy extra bolt. Expensive relative to AK
4. Used Mini-14
5. Used lever action rifle
5. Kel-Tec Su16

twinjetguy
12-07-2011, 6:22 PM
Get a AK for sure. You can pick up WASR-10's for under 500. Don't listen to anyone trash talk them, they are exactly what you are asking for. I have one and it has been nothing BUT reliable. Works just like a AK should, all the time.

The only other one I agree with is a Saiga. I would get it chambered in 7.62x39. Ammo is extremely cheap and readily available all the time.

The thing you have to keep in mind about building a "cheap" AR is you are going to end up with something cheap. Go with the AK style gun. Those were intended to be cheap and tough.

coltn46920
12-07-2011, 6:29 PM
Wow, lots of good suggestions! Leaving out a shotgun, this would be my list in order.
1. AK-47 - Unbelievable reliability.
2. Saiga & lots of magazines - I like 7.62X39 because of the cheap ammo.
3. AR-15 - Buy extra bolt. Expensive relative to AK
4. Used Mini-14
5. Used lever action rifle
5. Kel-Tec Su16

Do ar 15 bolts break often?

DannyInSoCal
12-07-2011, 6:30 PM
Any of the HiPoint carbines are a good choice.

I have one in .45ACP and the damn thing is suprisingly accurate out to about 100 yards.

They come in 9mm, .40, and .45 -

Or grab one of the KelTecs in 5.56 -

Ive got the PLR16 (pistol) and same story -

Suprisingly accurate out to about 150 yards.

Fits in an old Bellagio backpack on the floor behind the drivers seat -

With all 10 mags GTG....

:43:

Sunday
12-07-2011, 6:31 PM
SKS IMO hands down. Simple, utilitarian, no crazy features so it doesn't look TOO evil, bayonet on it that lets you get up and personal if you run out of ammo, and easy to work on yourself.

http://www.kywon.com/Guns/SKS/SKSfull2s.jpgI wish I bought a dozen in the early 90s when they were dirt cheap!!!

Mamluke
12-07-2011, 6:34 PM
... :popcorn: ...

Smith & Wesson M&P 15-22

http://media.gunup.s3.amazonaws.com/longgun_images/images/150877/150877_1.jpg

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Jason P
12-07-2011, 6:35 PM
Any of the HiPoint carbines are a good choice.

I have one in .45ACP and the damn thing is suprisingly accurate out to about 100 yards.

They come in 9mm, .40, and .45 -

Or grab one of the KelTecs in 5.56 -

Ive got the PLR16 (pistol) and same story -

Suprisingly accurate out to about 150 yards.

Fits in an old Bellagio backpack on the floor behind the drivers seat -

With all 10 mags GTG....

:43:

I actually like the HiPoint carbines, but I really want something that shoots a pointy projectile at rifle velocities:)

Jason P
12-07-2011, 6:37 PM
I wish I bought a dozen in the early 90s when they were dirt cheap!!!

Can't stand the wood. I think wood guns are pretty, well some of them, but I really prefer synthetics. What if I have to ditch and come back? Syns are lighter etc.

Jason P
12-07-2011, 6:48 PM
OK, so noone seems to really suggest the bolt or lever guns. Fair enough, my thinking was maybe a bolt would be best because of simplicity. That being said, assuming Saiga which looks nice and folks seem to have little to no issues with them; which cartridge?

I don't realistically plan to source ammo elsewhere. I know I will protect my ammo like I protect my food/water, I assume others will do the same. So stockpiling 5.56/.223 or 7.62x39 is almost equally affordable. The question is which is the more versatile cartridge?

Also, I'd like to store 5,000 rounds and buy more for training as needed in reasonably cheap quantities. Does either 7.62 or 5.56 feed more reliably if less than desireable conditions/failure to clean the weapon occurs? That data seems really useful.

Basically, if I can't properly clean my gun and can only splash it with oil/gas/diesel etc, does one cartridge inherently run more consistently at high round counts than the other in the Saiga platform?

ZX-10R
12-07-2011, 6:50 PM
Pass on the Saiga. Save and and get an out of the box AK pattern or visit some shops...Research that.
- Akfiles
- Akforum
- CGN = Saiga.net
Draco is not a bad idea...It is now my truck pistol...Modified my buddy's with a Texas Weapon Systems, Bulgy plastic (you Saiga guys are cheap), Vortex red dot, and Yugo grip...Money up to 50yrds. Head shots on command at 25yrds. That is not a $500 solution though.

The haters will respond but a kit is not a bad idea but that is a different conversation.

You are welcome to go shooting with me and my buddy's if you want if you are in an around the SLOSA area. Next time I will be up there is 1/7/12...We have quite a few rifles :cool2::43:

1forall
12-07-2011, 6:52 PM
AK ftw...

timmyb21
12-07-2011, 6:58 PM
AK. I'd go AK74 build.

Mojaveman
12-07-2011, 7:06 PM
A WASR AK-47 7.62X39, they're affordable and reliable.

A few 10rd magazines to be legal, three 30rd magazines and some type of magaizine carrying device, 1,000rds to train with and another 1,000rds for the coming of the Apocalypse.

Oh yeah, a pint of Smirnoff too. Take a few good swigs and then scream something in Russian before you start shooting. :D :p

BRANDON7766
12-07-2011, 7:32 PM
Depending on a shtf situation you may not be able to find 7.62x39. Will be much easier to find 5.56. Not many ppl reload for AK's but they do for AR's so in the long run ammo will be more avail. I guess that depends on your shtf scenario.

You also cannot plan to have a stockpile at your house. I would say in the event of any sort of shtf scenario I can think of you are not going to want to be in the same place for long.

DemocracyEnaction
12-07-2011, 7:47 PM
Heard you can piece together an AR-15 here for $500. i.e. Complete upper, lower,and lower parts kit. Check it out this would be a good value. http://palmettostatearmory.com/rifle-ammo.php

NorCalK9.com
12-07-2011, 8:20 PM
Obviously an AK, although i hate them

2 things.
1 how can you HATE a rifle?=ignorance!
The 2nd ahh never mind.

NorCalK9.com
12-07-2011, 8:27 PM
Depending on a shtf situation you may not be able to find 7.62x39. Will be much easier to find 5.56. Not many ppl reload for AK's but they do for AR's so in the long run ammo will be more avail. I guess that depends on your shtf scenario.

You also cannot plan to have a stockpile at your house. I would say in the event of any sort of shtf scenario I can think of you are not going to want to be in the same place for long.

Where do you guys come up with this ammo easy to find crap? I'm sitting on over 15k rounds here and thats just for my recreation shooting I think i'll have plenty of ammo if the frogs try n take over the world!
And all that said ammo can be loaded into any of my 4wd's and taken with me.

mike_the_wino
12-07-2011, 9:07 PM
spears are great if you have a bunch of buddies who have em too so you can form a phalanx.
SHTF and I am stay-cation sort of guy. Come on in my hallway with your claymore and spear>claymore. No room to swing.

But as others have mentioned...SKS. Bayo makes it a go-bang spear. Best of all worlds.
/end thread

Blaze Kenobi
12-08-2011, 12:14 AM
Get an SKS for as low as you can. This one I got less then a month ago was $275.00. effective battle carbine in stock form or you can give it a makeover.
125645
U can have this!
125650
Or This
125652

Of course U can paint them any color u want but I wouldn't mind having a Darth Vader and a Stormtrooper combo!

Blaze Kenobi
12-08-2011, 12:17 AM
I can't promise u will stay under 500. As a matter of fact I can guarantee it but you will have something that not many people have!

Cali-Shooter
12-08-2011, 12:21 AM
If $500 were my budget, a nice SKS would fit the bill. Spend the rest on ammo and stripper clips. GTG!

X-NewYawker
12-08-2011, 12:24 AM
I guess an AK of some type would be closest to your price range. I'm not an expert on AKs and the only ones I've looked at are Arsenals and they tend to run in the $800.00 price range, so still above what you want to spend.

If I were spending $500.00, I'd find a used Remington 870 Police Magnum or a Mossberg 590 shotgun; equip it with an extension tube, a sling, a light, a set of sights, load it with slugs and be done with it. I think in your price range you can get a good pump shotgun and equip it with what you need or a questionable rifle. IMHO, if you want a go to rifle and the shotgun doesn't appeal to you, you're better saving a little more money and buying something a little nicer. Just my opinion.

Yes. These with SABOT SLUGS: There's your long range "rifle"
I wouldn't bet my survival on a rifle that cost under $500. Not what we can legally own here.

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p54/Fasanoland/Rifles/KNoxxguns.jpg

Or a field grade Garand from the CMP.

pyro3k2
12-08-2011, 12:35 AM
Mosin Nagant and a few thousand rounds. :D

I am firmly in the AK camp and can honestly say go with the mosin and a few thousand rounds.

Yes. These with SABOT SLUGS: There's your long range "rifle"
I wouldn't bet my survival on a rifle that cost under $500. Not what we can legally own here.
Or a field grade Garand from the CMP.

This is also a great choice. When you run out of sabot slugs through your smooth bore barrel back on and use rifle slugs. When you run out of those bird/buck shot. Also a pump action shotgun is more reliable than an AK, lets be honest here.

GW
12-08-2011, 1:18 AM
Gotta go with SKS. It's inexpensive, reliable and shoots cheap ammo.

h0use
12-08-2011, 3:42 AM
Ak is a good pick. I also like the mosin as well

bombadillo
12-08-2011, 9:38 AM
Can't stand the wood. I think wood guns are pretty, well some of them, but I really prefer synthetics. What if I have to ditch and come back? Syns are lighter etc.

There are dozens of stocks out there.

http://www.gunaccessories.com/ati/SyntheticStocks/images/sksfiber.jpg
http://www.gunaccessories.com/ati/SyntheticStocks/images/SKS0300C-LG.jpg
http://www.gunaccessories.com/ati/SyntheticStocks/images/SKSDigitalBlade.jpg
http://www.gunaccessories.com/ati/SyntheticStocks/images/sks_strikeforce.jpg




And these are just the one from ATI. Lots of SKS options including detachable magazines. The factory 10rd box mags can be removed for 30 rounders that are detachable if SHTF.

Hunt
12-08-2011, 12:07 PM
sks it can disassembled in about 20 seconds, thrown in a PVC cache pipe and buried for another day in about 2 minutes, will always go bang, has spear, cheap ammo and the commies did very well with them in vietnam.

tujungatoes
12-08-2011, 12:20 PM
Phased plasma rifle in the fourty watt range.:p

For shtf....I'd vote for a mosin nagant 91/30 and a couple of spam cans of 54r. They're cheap, beyond reliable, and if you put a bayonet on that f**ker you can stab zombies in the next county.

MajorMalphunction
12-08-2011, 12:25 PM
Phased plasma rifle in the fourty watt range.:p

For shtf....I'd vote for a mosin nagant 91/30 and a couple of spam cans of 54r. They're cheap, beyond reliable, and if you put a bayonet on that f**ker you can stab zombies in the next county.

+1.

Maddog5150
12-08-2011, 1:09 PM
saiga. But in 7.62X39 not the 5.45
5.45 for fun and 7.62 for that just in case scenario. 5.45 is hugely uncommon and though its cheap, you cant carry 100k plus in ammo. For the fantasy world people live in who want "SHTF" to happen, you would want something where you could find ammo anywhere. think of it this way, if you want find it at a big five or walmart, you wouldnt want it for the Fallout type scenario

glock7
12-08-2011, 1:23 PM
Used AK and ammo.

Dion
12-08-2011, 1:27 PM
HiPoint 9mm Carbine. Small, light, seriously available ammo.

chicoredneck
12-08-2011, 1:47 PM
The one that goes bang when you pull the trigger and the bullet thingy flies to where you were pointing and kills bad guys dead

p2rider426
12-08-2011, 2:12 PM
... :popcorn: ...

Smith & Wesson M&P 15-22

http://media.gunup.s3.amazonaws.com/longgun_images/images/150877/150877_1.jpg

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I have the M&P 15 Sport and LOVE the thing, but I handled one of the 15-22s at Bass Pro just for fun and man,the build quality felt like s*** to me. It looked a bit different than the one you posted, maybe because it was the CA version. But definitely was not impressed with the rifle compared to the 15 Sport.

Richard Erichsen
12-08-2011, 2:28 PM
Best SHTF? Not a rifle, that's for sure. You want machete! Never jams, never runs out of ammo. But spear or claymore works too.

Now now, be nice. I just want to start collecting $0.05 every time "SHTF" is in the title of a new thread.

R

1lostinspace
12-08-2011, 2:32 PM
AK 47 or siaga converted

hnoppenberger
12-08-2011, 3:21 PM
i would rather have a siaga than an SKS. owned an SKS before, sold it because i did not like it even sitting in my gun safe, much less how it shot.

Bhobbs
12-08-2011, 3:31 PM
CMP Garand.

Plenty reliable, accurate, powerful and isn't too heavy.

zfields
12-08-2011, 4:14 PM
Now now, be nice. I just want to start collecting $0.05 every time "SHTF" is in the title of a new thread.

R

R,

You havent been here long enough to be that jaded yet : )

Lucky Scott
12-08-2011, 4:39 PM
For your price range, you could buy a SKS and a Mosin.
Thats what I would do if I was in your position. Cheap ammo, both fun to shoot.
And you can replace both the wood stocks with synthetic for cheap if you want to. I wouldnt, but you could.
The Mosin can shoot farther, and the SKS can throw out a little more lead for defensive situations.

ThatsJustBadTaste
12-08-2011, 5:06 PM
I would say an sks

.40Cal
12-08-2011, 7:02 PM
http://annenahm.com/anneimage/2009/11/Michael+Jackson+Jackson_popcorn.gif

There is none under $500.

Actually, there are many... (SKS, AK, some AR's) Most are around or under $500. And they're all good.

Ak
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=508155
I built all those for 500 or less.
And these are what I really wanted

In that case SKS.

sks

I have a very nice Russian SKS, Laminated stock, Bayonet, the whole nine-yards... And it's under 500.

Can build an AR for $550.. since you have high caps.. just keep it featureless.

If you want AR, Smith & Wesson MP-15 is usually around 500.