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Hunt
12-01-2011, 5:28 PM
in the $1,500 or less range less than 7 lbs?

Gunsrruss
12-01-2011, 5:41 PM
Just remember your dealing with a .308 cal weapon. Lighter is not your friend. Even a AR-15 does better accuracy wise with a little weight on it. I guess you will see:rolleyes:You will learn what it is that you will need. I use to have visions of this and that. That was when I bought it the first time. Then I realized what I needed and had to buy it the second time:o These days we put more thought into these things. We listen to the Master young grasshopper:oji:

Hoop
12-01-2011, 5:49 PM
in the $1,500 or less range less than 7 lbs?

No.

8.5 is more realistic.

Mine is 9.5 without bipod or scope, loaded. It isn't any harder to shoot offhand than any other semi 308 I've owned or shot (m1a, garand, fn fal).

Hunt
12-01-2011, 9:08 PM
if that is the case than I assume a AR10 wouldn't handle any quicker than an M1A, the reason I ask is I want a semi auto rifle that has considerable more energy than the .223, yet agile enough for home/ ranch security way out in the boonies.

Merc1138
12-01-2011, 9:20 PM
if that is the case than I assume a AR10 wouldn't handle any quicker than an M1A, the reason I ask is I want a semi auto rifle that has considerable more energy than the .223, yet agile enough for home/ ranch security way out in the boonies.

In a semi-auto? No. Even with a bolt action you're going to be looking at 6-7 pounds unloaded and without optics. The only way you'd get the weight down to what you're looking for is an SBR and even if you cut the barrel in half you'd be around what you want(maybe), of course that's not going to happen in CA(and you'd end up losing a lot of velocity). You could end up with a .308 AR-10 pistol, but that's going to cost you $$$$.

Plus, as other people have pointed out, even if you were able to get the weight down(without making it an SBR), you'd still be shooting a .308 and have to deal with the recoil.

There is the PTR-91 PDW though..., but even with no stock and an 8" barrel it's still 7.5 pounds.

Uriah02
12-01-2011, 9:33 PM
If the concern is faster reaction time/speed I'd think a shorter barrel would improve preformance more than a lighter weapon. You can always get stronger. The shorter barrel would also cut weight a fair amount of weight.

McCrown
12-02-2011, 1:00 PM
Less than 7lbs might be doable with some hand picking and research. DPMS sells a lr-308 that is 7.9lbs empty w/18" barrel. Might want to look into it. The upper alone for that one runs around $1000.

1911su16b870
12-02-2011, 1:10 PM
IMO No way can you get a new AR10 for under 1500.

Merc1138
12-02-2011, 1:30 PM
IMO No way can you get a new AR10 for under 1500.

Well apparently your opinion is wrong, because you can build one for under $1500. DPMS sells 4 uppers for under $900(and one just a little over $600), combine that with a lower and parts kit, yes you can build a new AR-10 for under $1500. Just not under 7 pounds like the OP wants. I suppose technically that would be a DPMS LR-308 and not a true AR-10 pattern. Well you can get that under $1500 too http://www.armalite.com/ItemForm.aspx?item=E10A4CBMF&ReturnUrl=Categories.aspx?Category=f4bd4a13-55d1-41aa-aea0-49488ec48776

dan12580
12-02-2011, 1:36 PM
IMO No way can you get a new AR10 for under 1500.

Dpms sass lower with adjustable triggar, ace adjustable socom stock, 16 in sportical upper with 13 in Troy battle rail ran me about $1500. I was going for a light weight pig gun. I haven't weighed it yet. I bought the complete sass gun for $1700 and sold the complete upper for $1400. Sold the prs stock and bought the socom. A complete ar10 can easily be had in the $1k range.

smeagle
12-02-2011, 4:18 PM
i dont think i have seen or heard of a 7 lb ar-10, my ma-ten/jp 16" with a aimpoint comp m3 is 9.5 lbs, dont think i could shave 2 lbs off it.. mine has $2500 in it w/o optics.. it feels lighter than most 10's i have picked up also...

gemini1
12-02-2011, 4:48 PM
Bushmaster 308 MOE
Cash/Check Discount Price:
Price: $1,101.88

http://www.gunforall.com/images/igc/77836.jpg

SPECIFICATIONS:
Mfg Item Num: 90828
Category: FIREARMS - RIFLES
Action :Semi-Automatic
Caliber :308 Winchester
Barrel Length :16"
Capacity :20 + 1
Trigger :Standard
Safety :Lever
Length :34"
Weight :7.75 lbs
Stock :Collapsible
Finish :Matte Black

Merc1138
12-02-2011, 4:57 PM
Bushmaster 308 MOE
Cash/Check Discount Price:
Price: $1,101.88

http://www.gunforall.com/images/igc/77836.jpg

SPECIFICATIONS:

Weight :7.75 lbs


And that's still not under 7.

WDE91
12-02-2011, 5:01 PM
Bushmaster 308 MOE
Cash/Check Discount Price:
Price: $1,101.88

http://www.gunforall.com/images/igc/77836.jpg

SPECIFICATIONS:
Mfg Item Num: 90828
Category: FIREARMS - RIFLES
Action :Semi-Automatic
Caliber :308 Winchester
Barrel Length :16"
Capacity :20 + 1
Trigger :Standard
Safety :Lever
Length :34"
Weight :7.75 lbs
Stock :Collapsible
Finish :Matte Black

that rifle pictured sure doesnt look like an AR10 to me :cool:

Have you considered an AR15 with like a 6.5 Grendal upper when out on the property?

wash
12-02-2011, 5:09 PM
You could wait, like me for the ITS-12 DPMS style upper.

It's a hybrid that uses a special bolt, barrel extension, extended AR15 style bolt carrier and a barrel that isn't a pencil profile or super short to make a less than 7.5 lb .308 AR.

The fact is standard AR10 type uppers are very heavy and 16" barrels are obnoxious on a .308. The ITS-12 takes out the weight in the bolt and bolt carrier rather than giving you a barrel as stiff as a noodle and as short as the law allows.

FeuerFrei
12-02-2011, 6:35 PM
Based on what you want to do with it I suggest Remington R25 Tactical. 7.75lbs empty and no sights.
Or...another Remington 750 Synthetic rifle or carbine. Both 308.

1911su16b870
12-02-2011, 10:05 PM
600-900 for the upper, 300 for the lower, 100 for the lpk, 100 for the stock group, cheap BUS's another 100 = 1200 to 1500

The Armalite one is 1229...add CA mag-lock, sight,s FFL transfer fee/shipping and again you are at 1500.

More power to you if you have/can borrow all the tools and parts to build it yourself.

Now are those AR10s you really want?...or are we just making a cheap AR10? Back to personal opinion.

Merc1138
12-02-2011, 10:40 PM
600-900 for the upper, 300 for the lower, 100 for the lpk, 100 for the stock group, cheap BUS's another 100 = 1200 to 1500

The Armalite one is 1229...add CA mag-lock, sight,s FFL transfer fee/shipping and again you are at 1500.

More power to you if you have/can borrow all the tools and parts to build it yourself.

Now are those AR10s you really want?...or are we just making a cheap AR10? Back to personal opinion.

You're completely missing the point. Go back and read the original post.

You then made an incorrect statement, and were proven wrong with some examples, however your statement still had nothing to do with the original post. The question was not "can I get an AR-10 for under $1500"(to which the answer would be "yes"). The question was "can I get an AR-10 for $1500 or less that's under 7 pounds", and the answer is "no"(in this state except for maybe a pistol).

automatikdonn
12-03-2011, 12:34 AM
IMO No way can you get a new AR10 for under 1500.

Sure can, I just built mine for under 1500, 1447 to be exact. One would have to wait patiently for months and months until things come on sale, but it can be done.

automatikdonn
12-03-2011, 12:35 AM
You're completely missing the point. Go back and read the original post.

You then made an incorrect statement, and were proven wrong with some examples, however your statement still had nothing to do with the original post. The question was not "can I get an AR-10 for under $1500"(to which the answer would be "yes"). The question was "can I get an AR-10 for $1500 or less that's under 7 pounds", and the answer is "no"(in this state except for maybe a pistol).

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ what he said

VaderSpade
12-03-2011, 7:12 AM
I have built a few .308's and even the one with a light barrel and carbon fiber hand guard is pretty heavy.

Then I built an AR-15 in 6.8 for shots under 300 yards, and a AR-15 in .25WSSM for long range. Both of these AR-15’s are about 4 pounds lighter than any of my .308’s, and the .25WSSM shoots a little flatter than my .260 with the same grain bullets.

I still love my .308’s for taking to the range, but not for carrying on hunts.

VaderSpade
12-03-2011, 7:16 AM
P.S. I killed both my bucks this year with the 6.8 and both dropped in their tracks!

The .25WSSM has an Oly arms game stalker upper on it. I think the whole rifle weighs 7.5 pounds.

UBFRAGD
12-03-2011, 8:10 AM
Bushmaster 308 MOE
Cash/Check Discount Price:
Price: $1,101.88

http://www.gunforall.com/images/igc/77836.jpg

SPECIFICATIONS:
Mfg Item Num: 90828
Category: FIREARMS - RIFLES
Action :Semi-Automatic
Caliber :308 Winchester
Barrel Length :16"
Capacity :20 + 1
Trigger :Standard
Safety :Lever
Length :34"
Weight :7.75 lbs
Stock :Collapsible
Finish :Matte Black

Windowed 308 pmags? Jeez I need to keep up.....

JPB
12-03-2011, 8:28 AM
7.75 Lbs. without optic. That's lighter that a SCAR 17s which is currently the benchmark for light 7.62s.

Armalite infantry weight.

http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac91/beggej/AR10.jpg

JPB
12-03-2011, 8:30 AM
Windowed 308 pmags? Jeez I need to keep up.....

That rifle pictured is not a 7.62...

smeagle
12-03-2011, 8:58 AM
there is definately alot of weight in the 7.62 bcg, looking at the pics above, if i put plastic handgaurd and a pencil barrel, i might be able to get to 8 or so, but, why? they dont feel heavy to me at 9.5 lbs imo...

1911su16b870
12-03-2011, 9:14 AM
You're completely missing the point. Go back and read the original post.

You then made an incorrect statement, and were proven wrong with some examples, however your statement still had nothing to do with the original post. The question was not "can I get an AR-10 for under $1500"(to which the answer would be "yes"). The question was "can I get an AR-10 for $1500 or less that's under 7 pounds", and the answer is "no"(in this state except for maybe a pistol).

I answered the OP that IMO you can not get an AR10 under $1500...wait for it...that meets his requirements of under 7 lbs.

We both agree that you can not have both - under $1500 and under 7-lbs.

Merc1138
12-03-2011, 9:50 AM
I answered the OP that IMO you can not get an AR10 under $1500...wait for it...that meets his requirements of under 7 lbs.

We both agree that you can not have both - under $1500 and under 7-lbs.

Well that's not what you posted, at least I can't find it in your post.
IMO No way can you get a new AR10 for under 1500.

wash
12-03-2011, 10:11 AM
Wait for the ITS-12.

They were selling prototype billet uppers with a nice 6.5*47 barrel for $1,500.

When production comes along and you find a cheap blemished lower, you might be able to get under 7.5 lbs and $1,500 or at least close to it.

send it_hit
12-03-2011, 10:20 AM
how much is "considerably more energy"?

would 6.8SPC or a grendel meet your needs? I'm not expert but I bet you could get those under 7lbs easily.

Hoop
12-03-2011, 11:39 AM
If I went with another caliber in the small frame it would be 6.5 grendel. If you reload you can make the brass from 762x39 and bullets are all over the place. Still trying to figure out why 223 isn't enough for whatever ranch you have though...

hcbr
12-03-2011, 12:37 PM
ar-10 or dpms 308's can be heavy, and expect it to be so

tomd1584
12-03-2011, 1:21 PM
If you get the Bushmaster .308 MOE, for around $1200, you can spend the left over money to reprofile the barrel and shave off that 3/4 lb, and BAM, you're at 7 lbs.

tomd1584
12-03-2011, 1:21 PM
If you get the Bushmaster .308 MOE, for around $1200, you can spend the left over money to reprofile the barrel and shave off that 3/4 lb, and BAM, you're at 7 lbs. and less than $1500.

wash
12-03-2011, 2:43 PM
Good luck finding a lot of reloadable 7.62*39 brass.

And if you try to take 12 oz off the barrel of that bushmaster, be careful that you don't bend it.

My personal preference for getting better terminal performance in an AR15 sized package is the 6.8 SPC. It does not have the case taper issue of the Grendle or 7.62*39 so the magazines work with the AR mag well. Inside of maybe 200 yards it will have more energy too. The Grendle does better at really long range but both will ruin someones day at 500 yards+. For ethical hunting, the 6.8 is good to a little more than 300 yards, Grendle can stretch a little further but I would want a .308 or similar for a 400 yard shot.

gemini1
12-03-2011, 8:03 PM
That rifle pictured is not a 7.62...

Yup you're right, sorry about that. In my haste to post about the MOE I just copied the first one I googled without checking.

Here's the correct pic from Bushies website;

http://www.bushmaster.com/images/catalog/xm_15_zoom/BCWA3F-30816MLMOE-500.jpg

Features & Specifications
[Metric in brackets]
Caliber: .308 Win / 7.62 NATO
Magazine Capacity: 20 Rounds
Overall Length: 34"
Barrel Length: 16" [40.64 cm]
Rifling: 1 turn 10"
Weight w/o magazine: 7.75 lbs.
Weight of empty magazine: 0.5 lbs.
Weight of loaded magazine: 1.5 lbs.
Mode of Operation: Gas Operated/Semi-Automatic

Hunt
12-07-2011, 7:14 PM
And that's still not under 7.

close enough

Hunt
12-07-2011, 7:40 PM
If I went with another caliber in the small frame it would be 6.5 grendel. If you reload you can make the brass from 762x39 and bullets are all over the place. Still trying to figure out why 223 isn't enough for whatever ranch you have though...

I'll be in a remote area about 80 miles N of the Mexican border in AZ, by myself most of the time, building my man cave. I don't have confidence the .223 is ideal if I would need to shoot through car doors needing to incapacitate possible multiple persons. Being alone if I had to defend myself I would want one shot, one down, even through car doors at 40 - 50 yards not sure a 70 gr 223 would do that vs a 150 gr .30 cal. The area is not crime ridden like the smuggling corridors but better to be prepared for the worst.

Flying Bones
12-07-2011, 8:20 PM
The MOE is very appealing to me, even though I just bought my personal fav Rifle, SCAR 17. FWIW, the SCAR feels incredibly light, and anything less that weight would be equally impressive, although, I've got to wonder what the recoil might be like. The gas piston SCAR is like shooting a light .223 AR.