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Kyle1886
12-01-2011, 3:51 PM
Can the M1A1 Carbine utilize modern commercial ammo or does it have to be modified or use surplus like the M1 rifle? (I carried briefly a M3 way back in the early 60's and never thought too much of that carbine/infared scope set up---or the carbine in general). I may have an opportunity to get a M1A1 but if it needs modifing, etc I'll have to put more thought into it. Thanks for any info.

Respectfully
Kyle

DannyInSoCal
12-01-2011, 4:02 PM
It should run the 110 grain stuff just fine.

The only thing I've "heard" to avoid is the 85gr ammo -

But I havent seen any for awhile anyway.....

GMG
12-01-2011, 4:05 PM
Here's some info, hope it helps.

Kyle1886
12-01-2011, 5:06 PM
GMG, I don't think your "info" made it in your post. :)

Danny, you think the 110gr would be okay then?

Thanks guys, other opinions welcome too.

Kyle

ShooterDK
12-01-2011, 5:58 PM
110 gr., FMJ, round nose and your good to go. UMC and American Eagle loads are just fine.

Kyle1886
12-02-2011, 7:02 AM
As a follow up question, if I recall the rifle normally takes 15 and 30 round mags. One, are there 10 round mags to satisify CA. or does one need to block a standard 15/30 rounder to 10 round only? Two, if so, best method of doing so?...a bullet button?

Thanks
Respectfully--Kyle

cheifpoka
12-02-2011, 8:23 AM
There are 5 and 10 round mags available for the m1 carbine. The 110 gr. FMJ works great and it is a fun gun to shoot.

Kyle1886
12-02-2011, 8:35 AM
Thanks Cheifpoka, if I can find the ten rounders, and 110gr FMJ's will work, I may look into acquiring it then. I suppose Midway, etc will have the 10 rounders... never looked for them before.

Thanks again
Kyle

Mssr. Eleganté
12-03-2011, 2:41 AM
The M1A1 is considered an "assault weapon" in California because of the folding stock and also because of the pistol grip. You can't have either of those features on a semi-auto centerfire detachable magazine rifle. Also, I'm not sure how long an M1A1 is with the stock folded. If it is less than 26 inches with the stock folded then it would be considered a "short barreled rifle" under California law.

A magazine locking device would allow you to have a folding stock and pistol grip, but only if the overall length of the carbine was over 30 inches with the stock folded. A semi-auto centerfire rifle with a fixed magazine is an assault weapon if it is under 30 inches in overall length. I think the M1A1 might fail on this too.

So to get the look of an M1A1 you would need a magazine locking device and you would need to modify the stock not to fold. You would also need the fixed magazine to be able to hold no more than 10 rounds.

Mail Clerk
12-03-2011, 3:02 AM
Can the M1A1 Carbine utilize modern commercial ammo or does it have to be modified or use surplus like the M1 rifle? (I carried briefly a M3 way back in the early 60's and never thought too much of that carbine/infared scope set up---or the carbine in general). I may have an opportunity to get a M1A1 but if it needs modifing, etc I'll have to put more thought into it. Thanks for any info.

Respectfully
Kyle

Kyle,

I have shot PMC 110 grainers in all my M1 carbines and have had no issues with it? Just give your a good cleaning and enjoy it as it's a very soft kicking rifle. I've read about the so called 85 grain bullets but I personally never seen any so as long as the 110's work I happy.

Mail Clerk

r3dn3ck
12-03-2011, 9:05 AM
My carbine digests whatever I put into it. Military surplus, PMC, white-box reloads, anything. I have to start reloading for it soon... ammo is too expensive and you can reload them almost for free. They don't burn much powder at all.

In 25 years of shooting my carbines I've never seen a box of 85gn ammo. All I ever see is 110gn.

bohoki
12-03-2011, 10:22 AM
some of the best stuff i ever shot was the aguila 30 carbine

Kyle1886
12-03-2011, 11:04 AM
Thanks for the info on the ammo. As far as the 10 rounder mags, I've done a cursory check of Midway, CTD, ATG and a few others and either "sold out" or the only other ones are ProMag. I've "heard/read" to steer clear of those. Opinions? Likely source for 10 rounders, plenty of 15/30 out there, but...

Your feedback is appreciated
Kyle

r3dn3ck
12-03-2011, 11:10 AM
just block off a 15. It's easy and you won't have to find iffy mags.

saltyesq
12-03-2011, 11:16 AM
You can find the 10rnd mags on eBay. I purchased 5 and they work fine.

imarangemaster
12-03-2011, 11:30 AM
Walmarts stock Remington 110 FMJ for about $27/50. The nice thing is that they print to the same POA as Remington 110 Soft point. I killed a deer at almost 100 yards with a single heart/lung shot. Heck of an exit hole. Aguilla ammo can be iffy, as it is about 150+ FPS slower, and shoot lower than Remington and Winchester. It works best it carbines with worn action springs. The hottest ammo is Brazillian Magtech. instead of the 1940 fps of RP, it clocks about 2010 fps.

InkHammer
12-03-2011, 11:34 AM
The promag 10 rounders do indeed suck! I have yet to find really quality 10 rd. mags for the M1 carbine. I have some Korean 15 and 30 and they function flawlessly, and could be blocked to make them Ca legal. Honestly, I have the paratrooper stock , so mine is a safe queen by necessity anyways and does not see the light of California days...:driving:

oaklander
12-03-2011, 11:42 AM
Magazines that hold more than 10 rounds are NOT ILLEGAL TO POSSESS OR USE. They are illegal to make, import, etc. . .

But they are legal to use - AS LONG AS THE GUN DOES NOT HAVE A BULLET BUTTON AND IS OTHERWISE CONFIGURED PROPERLY.

ALSO - please do not put a folding stock on an M1 carbine. It serves no purpose, since you may run into OAl issues, and you will have to put a bullet button on it, and thus only run 10 rounders.

Sent from my brain, to yours. . .

Kyle1886
12-03-2011, 1:53 PM
To the best of my knowledge, it's just a run of the mill wood stock M1 Carbine. Said rifle belongs to a relative; I have not seen it yet. Just doing homework should I decide to get it.

Thanks for all the responses. It also looks as if one of our own, Exile Machine, has a couple of 10 round mags in stock.

Thanks for the input.
Kyle

Kauf
12-03-2011, 2:07 PM
Might want to look around here for more Carbine info. Also, this foum has a great marketplace and you can find almost anything you need to buy/sell/trade with other forum members, be it 10 rnd mags or spam cans of surplus 30 Carbine stuff. Believe they are 500 round cans or so.
http://forums.thecmp.org/forumdisplay.php?f=6

imarangemaster
12-03-2011, 2:14 PM
Check out the Milsurp's Carbine forum. That is where REAL experts hand out. I'm 60 and I am fairly young....

http://www.milsurps.com/forumdisplay.php?f=110#axzz192uTc100

Mssr. Eleganté
12-03-2011, 2:31 PM
To the best of my knowledge, it's just a run of the mill wood stock M1 Carbine.

Oh, then it's perfectly legal as is.

M1 Carbine = California legal
M1A1 Carbine = California felony

You can no longer transfer any 10+ round magazine, but if you already own some 15 or 30 rounders then you are free to use those in an M1 Carbine.

Kyle1886
12-03-2011, 2:53 PM
Mssr. Elegante, yeah, I carried a M3, briefly when I was in the Corps back in 1960, it was simi/auto select with a gigantic infrared scope mounted. Of course it was tethered to a humongus and heavy battery pack. (I'd rather carry a BAR than that thing). I think the M2 was also simi/auto select without the scope. I'll have to check out the M1A1, that's what my relative called it, so I can't swear what it really is.

Thanks
Kyle

Mssr. Eleganté
12-03-2011, 3:04 PM
Here a picture from the web that shows the M1 and M1A1...

http://olive-drab.com/images/firearms_rifle_m1carbine_m1m1a1.jpg

Kyle1886
12-03-2011, 3:37 PM
Thanks Mssr.E, I'll have to check for sure which one "he" has. He is retired Army Sp. Ops Delta, so it could be either one. If it is the M1A1 paratrooper, then back to the drawing board.

Thanks for taking the time,...appreciated.

Kyle