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tehbigjoe
12-01-2011, 2:04 PM
I've yet to understand why they consider a 50 cal to be considered a assault weapon. In my definition of a assault weapon i think of a mobile, effective weapon. One that you can easily cut corners with, lightwheight.

While a 50bmg is heavy as hell, few bullets, not very mobile because its so heavy, and is a pain to reload and carry ammo. Yeah it can probably shoot threw a car or a couple walls, but how many people have a 50bmg? very few, and most likely the person that owns it has no need for crime because they cost a fortune. Most crimes are commited by small concealable weapons. If i was face to face with a 50 bmg, i'de be more afraid of the guy clubbing me with it then him shooting like hell at me because the fact that it only takes few round. although when you are hit ur f-ed up. but most likely i'de have him with a pistol of some sort before he even moved his gun to aim at me.


let me know what you all think.

0351USMC
12-01-2011, 2:08 PM
because GOV think 50 caliber rifles can shoot down commercial planes etc

Mamluke
12-01-2011, 2:09 PM
Why is the 50.BMG a Assault Weapon?

.... cause all the Dinosaurs were extinct 65 million years ago ....


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Cali-Shooter
12-01-2011, 2:10 PM
Because liberals hate it and they have no brains (think heat-seeking .50 cal bullets), end of story.

CAL.BAR
12-01-2011, 2:12 PM
I think the legislature meant "assault" in this context as a weapon configured to efficiently attack other people (as opposed to a hunting rifle, optimzed... you guessed it... for hunting.) You do have to admit that a .50BMG is very well suited to killing humans at great distances even when behind cover (so say nothing of taking down helos, lowflying aircraft etc. etc.) Not not really the go to for hunting or plinking cans with Jr. down at the range.

tehbigjoe
12-01-2011, 2:13 PM
im glad to hear you all have the same attitude toward it, its just a load of crap to me :P yeah i can understand you being worried about someone walkign down the street with an AR, I mean come on, look at the facts, How many crimes have been commited with this weapon, is there any records saying a civilian shot down a plane with a 50 bmg?

Japsican
12-01-2011, 2:15 PM
Because they use heat seeking, satellite guided, bullets that will tear the flesh from your bones if they pass within 10ft of you.

Librarian
12-01-2011, 2:17 PM
You are making the mistake of believing that the legislators either know anything about guns, or care if the members do know.

The principle is always 'will what I do help me get re-elected?'.

bcrich
12-01-2011, 2:17 PM
I only shoot mine in 1k yd matches because it is pricey but the only real reason I got it was because punk azz Arnold said I couldn't. I never really understood the term ''Assault Weapon'' you can get assaulted with anything....

comblock
12-01-2011, 2:22 PM
50 dtc is gtg in ca

coyotebait
12-01-2011, 2:25 PM
I've yet to understand why they consider a 50 cal to be considered a assault weapon. In my definition of a assault weapon i think of a mobile, effective weapon. One that you can easily cut corners with, lightwheight.

While a 50bmg is heavy as hell, few bullets, not very mobile because its so heavy, and is a pain to reload and carry ammo. Yeah it can probably shoot threw a car or a couple walls, but how many people have a 50bmg? very few, and most likely the person that owns it has no need for crime because they cost a fortune. Most crimes are commited by small concealable weapons. If i was face to face with a 50 bmg, i'de be more afraid of the guy clubbing me with it then him shooting like hell at me because the fact that it only takes few round. although when you are hit ur f-ed up. but most likely i'de have him with a pistol of some sort before he even moved his gun to aim at me.


let me know what you all think.

Wait, wait, wait a minute....are you actually trying to make sense of politicians and their logic?? :smilielol5::rofl2::smilielol5::rofl2::smilielol5: :rofl2:
Now that's funny!!

Kokopelli
12-01-2011, 2:49 PM
At $5.50 a pop, I think the .50 is an "assault" on the wallet! :p

Ubermcoupe
12-01-2011, 2:53 PM
because GOV think 50 caliber rifles can shoot down commercial planes etc

:yes:

Actually the real answer is because our “republican friend” Arnie caved to pressure... :facepalm:

Yet another “feel good” law. :puke:

NytWolf
12-01-2011, 2:54 PM
Hollywood said so, so it must be true.

LoooongGun
12-01-2011, 2:54 PM
... with such cold, cut logic. But I LIKE my .50AE D-Eagle.

Mightypoptart
12-01-2011, 3:02 PM
As far as my knowledge goes .50 BMG rifles aren't considered assault weapons (consult calguns flowchart) but are banned like so called "assault" weapons because they are pose an alleged threat to the safety of the community, despite never having been used in a crime.

Secondly, only shoulder fired .50 BMG's prior to 2005 are illegal, so (again, as far as I know) you can buy a semi-auto M2 here.

CSACANNONEER
12-01-2011, 3:03 PM
50BMG Rifles are NOT assault weapons in California. They are nothing more than "50BMG Rifles". If someone registered their 50BMG rifle as an AW, then, it is an AW. But, if someone registered their 50BMG rifle after the AW registration closed but during the registration of 50BMG rifles, their rifle(s) is/are not AWs. In other words, a registered 50BMG rifle which is not an AW can not be a semi auto with a detachable magazine and evile features.

Many of the laws regulating AWs and 50BMGs are the same or similar but, all registered "50 BMG rifles" are not registered AWs in CA. There are legal differences and we should always be aware of that and not confuse the two.

CSACANNONEER
12-01-2011, 3:03 PM
As far as my knowledge goes .50 BMG rifles aren't considered assault weapons (consult calguns flowchart) but are banned like so called "assault" weapons because they are pose an alleged threat to the safety of the community, despite never having been used in a crime.

Secondly, only shoulder fired .50 BMG's prior to 2005 are illegal, so (again, as far as I know) you can buy a semi-auto M2 here.

Damn it. You beat me by a minute!

jvpark
12-01-2011, 3:06 PM
At $5.50 a pop, I think the .50 is an "assault" on the wallet! :p

Hollywood said so, so it must be true.


Both of these are Instant Classics!

Bhobbs
12-01-2011, 3:14 PM
Because the spineless people in government who are nothing more than whores that use their powers to gain votes and the soccer moms that vote for them lose control of their bladder at the sight of a .50 BMG rifle. Therefore they need to be banned.

Dill45
12-01-2011, 3:32 PM
But you can still buy a .50 BMG upper and slap it on an AR-15 Lower?

ke6guj
12-01-2011, 3:34 PM
But you can still buy a .50 BMG upper and slap it on an AR-15 Lower?
depends. is the AR15 lower a RAW lower or an OLL lower?

If it is already a RAW, you can put a .50BMG upper on it legally. If it is an OLL, then putting a .50BMG upper and stock on it would create an unregistered .50BMG rifle.

Dill45
12-01-2011, 3:38 PM
So you'd need to get a 80% lower and mill it out?

Makes sense.

SJgunguy24
12-01-2011, 3:38 PM
But you can still buy a .50 BMG upper and slap it on an AR-15 Lower?

No you can't unless that lower is registered.

The 50BMG is banned because any cute furry animal will spontaniously combust by the mere presence of a live round of 50BMG. They explode if they see the actual gun.

SJgunguy24
12-01-2011, 3:40 PM
So you'd need to get a 80% lower and mill it out?

Makes sense.

Sure if you milled it out and registered it with the DOJ 15 years ago.

Dill45
12-01-2011, 3:41 PM
Ah I see.

But there's nothing stopping you from buying a .50 BMG upper and just keeping it?

ke6guj
12-01-2011, 3:42 PM
So you'd need to get a 80% lower and mill it out?

Makes sense.

no, a milled out 80% lower to 100% would be an OLL lower. that along with a .50BMG upper would create an unregistereed .50BMG rifle, no bueno.

If you don't have a RAW lower, you cant build a .50BMG rifle. you can however go with the virtually identitical .510DTC upper.

coyotebait
12-01-2011, 4:11 PM
no, a milled out 80% lower to 100% would be an OLL lower. that along with a .50BMG upper would create an unregistereed .50BMG rifle, no bueno.

If you don't have a RAW lower, you cant build a .50BMG rifle. you can however go with the virtually identitical .510DTC upper.

This. I've heard that the .510DTC may even have better ballistics. Not sure about that though.

Dill45
12-01-2011, 4:27 PM
Only knock on the DTC is the brass is hard to come by.

bohoki
12-01-2011, 4:39 PM
50 bmg they fear has the greater capacity for greater long range accuracy

luckily i still have a couple cans of the talon reloads that i bought for like $1.25 a round

Bhobbs
12-01-2011, 4:42 PM
Only knock on the DTC is the brass is hard to come by.

It's formed from BMG brass.

Divernhunter
12-01-2011, 7:03 PM
Not only is 510DTC formed from 50BMG brass but you use the same bullets and the same reloading data.

CSACANNONEER
12-01-2011, 7:08 PM
At $5.50 a pop, I think the .50 is an "assault" on the wallet! :p

You're paying way to much for 50BMG. My match ammo costs me less than half that to load. I can order components today, including brass, to load plinking rounds for about $1.50 a round.

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This. I've heard that the .510DTC may even have better ballistics. Not sure about that though.

I'm not sure either but, I do know a a few DTC shooters who shoot VERY well with their guns. The fact is that the design of the cartridge is a more efficient design than the BMG cartridge.

Dill45
12-01-2011, 7:10 PM
Is the 510 DTC fire formed from 50 BMG or what?

coyotebait
12-01-2011, 7:13 PM
You're paying way to much for 50BMG. My match ammo costs me less than half that to load. I can order components today, including brass, to load plinking rounds for about $1.50 a round.



I'm not sure either but, I do know a a few DTC shooters who shoot VERY well with their guns. The fact is that the design of the cartridge is a more efficient design than the BMG cartridge.

One day when I'm not a broke***** poorboy, I'm gonna pick one up.

ke6guj
12-01-2011, 7:53 PM
Is the 510 DTC fire formed from 50 BMG or what?

yes, after the brass is trimmed to length and had the shoulder set back.

Bhobbs
12-01-2011, 7:57 PM
Is the 510 DTC fire formed from 50 BMG or what?

The shoulder is pushed back, the case is trimmed and when you fire it the body taper is blown out so you get a similar case capacity in a shorter case. It also won't chamber in a .50 BMG chamber because the taper is different. 50 BMG won't chamber in a .510 DTC because the case is longer and the shoulder is further forward.

I have heard the ballistics are slightly better in the DTC because the case gives you a shorter and slightly fatter powder column giving you a more consistent powder burn.

Dill45
12-01-2011, 7:57 PM
Alright. Should set back via the dies?

ke6guj
12-01-2011, 8:01 PM
Alright. Should set back via the dies?

yes

Dill45
12-01-2011, 8:04 PM
Alright. Cool thanks for the info.

Any one know who makes .510 DTC uppers?

Rockit
12-01-2011, 8:45 PM
ferret50.com, EBR Works (Forum vendor) sells them. Can point you in the direction for ammo too.
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=448122&highlight=dtc

ir0nclash86
12-01-2011, 9:03 PM
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five.five-six
12-01-2011, 9:08 PM
Why is the 50.BMG a Assault Weapon?


it's because they all have a shoulder thing that goes up



that's why

Norsemen308
12-01-2011, 9:13 PM
At $5.50 a pop, I think the .50 is an "assault" on the wallet! :p

bahahah u sound like my great uncle back east he always tells us the only thing his 82a1 is blowing a hole in is his pension check

EBR Works
12-01-2011, 10:27 PM
Yep, there are a wide variety of choices for .50 DTC uppers and complete rifles. Calgunner mrkubota is an ammo manufacturer and does great DTC loads. If you want a .50 BMG, a SA M2HB or M3 belt fed gun can be purchased in California. I personally own one and it is a blast to shoot. BMG ammo can be found at retail for as little as $2 per round, if you shop around.

CSACANNONEER
12-02-2011, 6:21 AM
ferret50.com, EBR Works (Forum vendor) sells them. Can point you in the direction for ammo too.
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=448122&highlight=dtc

There's nothing wrong with Ferret (Spider Firearms) or EBR Works. I've done bussiness with both and would highly recommend both of them. However, I'm partial to my ALS upper (in 50BMG). ALS can also chamber their uppers in .510DTC. I've witnessed an ALS DTC upper shoot a 4 1/2" 5 shot group, at 1000 yards, during a match. But, ALS has a year plus wait to get one.