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PandaLuv
11-30-2011, 12:43 PM
Well, it's not that I wanna make it all tacticool, I am just getting tired of the outdated sights.

Any recommendation on how to make me more accurate with my ak47, I guess?

loosewreck
11-30-2011, 12:46 PM
Well, it's not that I wanna make it all tacticool, I am just getting tired of the outdated sights.

Red Dot? On one of those new side mounts.


Any recommendation on how to make me more accurate with my ak47, I guess?

Lots of ammo and practice :D

PandaLuv
11-30-2011, 12:48 PM
Red Dot? On one of those new side mounts.




Lots of ammo and practice :D

lol well said.

I am more of a pistol guy, I don't shoot my rifle much.

About the mount, I built the rifle myself, so it doesn't have that rail on the reciever.

MrPlink
11-30-2011, 12:50 PM
1) no 2) practice.

Ninja gear will just make your gun heavy and silly looking, not more accurate. Red dots def dont increase accuracy, jus

loosewreck
11-30-2011, 12:51 PM
LOL, I'm not gonna give you any further advice since I'm not much of an AK guy... Yet ;)

But there's the Texas Weapon Systems Dog Leg or an Ultimak Scout Rail. With some kind of mini RDS mounted of coarse. The Tech Sights Peep is another option.

IrishPirate
11-30-2011, 12:56 PM
Pretty sure the sights were made to function better with a quart of vodka in your system.... :D

PandaLuv
11-30-2011, 12:56 PM
LOL, I'm not gonna give you any further advice since I'm not much of an AK guy... Yet ;)

But there's the Texas Weapon Systems Dog Leg or an Ultimak Scout Rail. With some kind of mini RDS mounted of coarse. The Tech Sights Peep is another option.

are those the same sights that Nutfancy made a retarded 2 hour review about?

h0use
11-30-2011, 1:00 PM
Kobra sight!

Grumpyoldretiredcop
11-30-2011, 1:00 PM
Texas Weapons Systems Dog Leg 2 and a good optical sight will help you use your AK's accuracy potential. Plus, you won't be permanently modifying the rifle in case you change your mind.

That and you can tick off the AK purists and see lots of "Get that tactical junk off the AK" visuals. :43:

loosewreck
11-30-2011, 1:00 PM
are those the same sights that Nutfancy made a retarded 2 hour review about?

Just because Nutfancy, can be retarded doesn't mean the sights are. They're pretty popular in the Apple Seed community, which by the way may be a good way for you to become more accurate. Consider buying a 10/22 or Marlin 60 or 795 and practice all day with the rifle sights. They're set up very similarly to AKs.

Okay, that was more advice, but not really AK advice. LOL

SJgunguy24
11-30-2011, 1:29 PM
Shoot it more, get out of a confined public range and out to some BLM land and really see what that gun can do. It'll suprise you.

Rebellious
11-30-2011, 1:34 PM
The answer is YES, and they will help you out with that. CSS (http://store.carolinashooterssupply.com/servlet/StoreFront)

ElvenSoul
11-30-2011, 1:43 PM
Mojo sights or a MI Makes a new mount that is really nice.

ns3v3n
11-30-2011, 2:04 PM
If you dont want to spend alot of money for mounts like the texas weapon system, get a decent side mount if you have that on your ak, and get a nice red dot. I have the bushnell TRS dot and it's like $80 on amazon, I think the $30 rebate is still active right now. So $50 for a great red dot, pretty affordable if you ask me. The dot is nice and bright and it's 3MOA size dot, not too small and not too big. I posted a thread about that in the optic section, look it up. You might be able to get the rebate.

Oh I was able to take the side mount with the red dot off a few times and put it back on, and next time at the range, it was only shooting to the right a little bit, so rezeroing it isnt bad. But I think it was the side mount's fault. It was a cheap UTG mount for $35.

chead
11-30-2011, 2:11 PM
Tradition is boring.

http://i.imgur.com/NgGDNl.jpg

That Strikefire is sitting on an ultra-low mount now.Quoting myself ;)

Cuerno_de_Chivo
11-30-2011, 2:18 PM
NO! ...Well its up to you since its YOUR rifle but IMO NO! I'd rather save that tacticool **** for an AR. My AK stays the way Kalash intended it too. The only tacticool stuff i'd put on my AK would be the original KVAR furniture it came with. Other than that its strictly wood for me. And the sights are perfectly fine, just practice with it more. Accuracy with an AK is different. If your shooting at silhouettes and get a kill shot, its accurate enough lol.

H2O MAN
11-30-2011, 2:25 PM
Well, it's not that I wanna make it all tacticool, I am just getting tired of the outdated sights.

Any recommendation on how to make me more accurate with my ak47, I guess?

Micro red dot on an UltiMAK gas tube rail.

Chaos47
11-30-2011, 2:41 PM
NO! ...Well its up to you since its YOUR rifle but IMO NO! I'd rather save that tacticool **** for an AR. My AK stays the way Kalash intended it too. The only tacticool stuff i'd put on my AK would be the original KVAR furniture it came with. Other than that its strictly wood for me. And the sights are perfectly fine, just practice with it more. Accuracy with an AK is different. If your shooting at silhouettes and get a kill shot, its accurate enough lol.


+1 couldn't have said it better

Slim///
11-30-2011, 2:43 PM
I personally really enjoy my set up. Simple ultimak with a red dot

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6126/6014436839_481c55a34c_z.jpg

NorCalK9.com
11-30-2011, 2:53 PM
Ask niko lol
I made one of mine liter by using synthetic stockset with a gas tube rail for red dot and it weighs less than when I had wood on it.

PandaLuv
11-30-2011, 2:54 PM
those optics do look fugly on an AK, but I really don't like those sights...

zfields
11-30-2011, 3:27 PM
I personally really enjoy my set up. Simple ultimak with a red dot

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6126/6014436839_481c55a34c_z.jpg

If that was a side folder, would be perfect IMO.

Javi
11-30-2011, 3:30 PM
I personally really enjoy my set up. Simple ultimak with a red dot

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6126/6014436839_481c55a34c_z.jpg

That's my favorite umm..'modernized'/'tactical' style. Poly furniture and a red dot mounted :)

H2O MAN
11-30-2011, 3:39 PM
I personally really enjoy my set up. Simple ultimak with a red dot

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6126/6014436839_481c55a34c_z.jpg

Yep, your set-up rocks... mine goes a little further to the extreme ;)

http://www.athenswater.com/images/H2OsAKM.JPG

InGrAM
11-30-2011, 3:44 PM
I personally really enjoy my set up. Simple ultimak with a red dot

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6126/6014436839_481c55a34c_z.jpg

This looks good, I usually hate non-traditional AK's but that looks very good.


OP, do something like this one and you can't go wrong. :D

ChaneRZ
11-30-2011, 3:45 PM
If I had an AK, I'd leave it stock. I'd shoot it with just iron sights.

PandaLuv
11-30-2011, 3:46 PM
^^^^

Micro red dot on an UltiMAK gas tube rail.

same optic, I assume?

Dhena81
11-30-2011, 3:46 PM
I think its hilarious that so many people have a problem when it comes to upgrading their AK's to the 21st century. Hell even the damn russians are going to do it and have done it, has anyone noticed that there might be a reason that most Siaga's sold now days have a side optic mount.

I put a collapsible stock on mine for an adjustable length of pull, better cheek weld, and for more sling attachment options. I put a MI forward rail for an T-1, an AFG, and a light for night shoots and a sling attachment point. Finally I put a TD pistol grip since I hate the OEM AK pistol grip and a Krebs custom safety selector for the range BHO and easier strong hand manipulation of the selector.

Dude it is your rifle so if you feel a mod or a series of mods will help improve whatever it is your looking for it do go for it. Anyone that runs a MD on their AK even a slant brake aren't being true to the design most people I see at the range have a AK-74 brake on their AK-47. There are different levels of AK nuts just like there are different levels of Vegetarians I guess.

zfields
11-30-2011, 3:49 PM
I think its hilarious that so many people have a problem when it comes to upgrading their AK's to the 21st century. Hell even the damn russians are going to do it and have done it, has anyone noticed that there might be a reason that most Siaga's sold now days have a side optic mount.

I put a collapsible stock on mine for an adjustable length of pull, better cheek weld, and for more sling attachment options. I put a MI forward rail for an T-1, an AFG, and a light for night shoots and a sling attachment point. Finally I put a TD pistol grip since I hate the OEM AK pistol grip and a Krebs custom safety selector for the range BHO and easier strong hand manipulation of the selector.

Dude it is your rifle so if you feel a mod or a series of mods will help improve whatever it is your looking for it do go for it. Anyone that runs a MD on their AK even a slant brake aren't being true to the design most people I see at the range have a AK-74 brake on their AK-47. There are different levels of AK nuts just like there are different levels of Vegetarians I guess.


How are you liking that MI rail. Im considering picking one up when i get some spare funds.

chead
11-30-2011, 3:54 PM
Do what makes your rifle better at what you want it to do, then stop.

Dhena81
11-30-2011, 4:13 PM
How are you liking that MI rail. Im considering picking one up when i get some spare funds.

It's nice the finish scratches easy I don't really care though since I treat my AK like a side slam piece. I've heard of reports of it making the groups open up a bit I guess since it attaches by clamping directly onto the barrel and messes with the harmonics :willy_nilly:. I haven't noticed my groups open up since the only time my AK has saw the bench was when I was zeroing my micro.



Edit::: one of the main reasons I went with the MI vs the Ultimak is the MI doesn't have a direct path to the heat transfer of the gas piston tube it hovers above it.

Dhena81
11-30-2011, 4:14 PM
Do what makes your rifle better at what you want it to do, then stop.

Exactly this ^^^^^ that's a good Sig line

RobGR
11-30-2011, 4:41 PM
Forget who's Saiga build this is, but he had it posted in the pics section. I saved the images to my computer b/c it was tacticool & kickarse.

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/1340/saiga1.jpg

http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/8244/saiga12q.jpg

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/1387/saiga14.jpg

HK iron sights might be a unique.

ZX-10R
11-30-2011, 6:30 PM
Mod it to meet your needs. If you have great eyes then a scope is not necessary unless you want to go out past 100+ and group. If you want more LOP then get longer stock or stock adapter. You want it lighter then get plastics. You want more ergos and a light change the hanguards and get a AFG and light. Mine is moded for my needs. You need to know yours. I shoot a lot...So I need my gun to perform and fit for me. I don't stare at my guns. Am bringing all the toys this weekend to SLOSA you are welcome to come if you want to handle some stock rifles and some modded ones. Saturday at 9:30.

zfields
11-30-2011, 6:55 PM
Mod it to meet your needs. If you have great eyes then a scope is not necessary unless you want to go out past 100+ and group. If you want more LOP then get longer stock or stock adapter. You want it lighter then get plastics. You want more ergos and a light change the hanguards and get a AFG and light. Mine is moded for my needs. You need to know yours. I shoot a lot...So I need my gun to perform and fit for me. I don't stare at my guns. Am bringing all the toys this weekend to SLOSA you are welcome to come if you want to handle some stock rifles and some modded ones. Saturday at 9:30.

People need to remember these things aren't designed to be shot chicken winged, would cut down on the LOP being to short complaints.


On a side note, I need to find a nice, lightweight, long front hardguard that covers the gas tube. All the poly quad rails seem to suck though.

FiveSeven
11-30-2011, 7:06 PM
Forget who's Saiga build this is, but he had it posted in the pics section. I saved the images to my computer b/c it was tacticool & kickarse.

That one is mine. It looks like this now, slightly different but little bit better.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/sergey25/Guns%203/667744.jpg

Yes, good red dot will make you shoot more accurately. Anyone who'll argue that iron sights are better and there's no need for a better sight are pissing against the wind of common sense and reality.
I own 4 different red dot sights on my AK's and every single one makes the rifle better, faster & superior shooter... Also, when it comes to low light/darker background, well, it's simply not even debatable.

Hey Panda. You can get this mount (http://kalinkaoptics.com/pk-01v-aimpoint-to-ak-saiga-vepr-centered-side-mount-w-heavy-duty-30-mm-ring-special-limited-edition-v-3-3.html) from Kalinka or elswhere. Get a used Aimpoint somewhere and you'll have the best red dot sight for AK.
I own both, the one in my pic and RS AKM Mount. PK-01V is a better and more durable mount of the two and cow-witness is the same or even better.

PandaLuv
11-30-2011, 7:14 PM
^^^^

which red dot sight would you recommend for an AK that can be mounted on a gas tube rail?

FiveSeven
11-30-2011, 7:27 PM
^^^^

which red dot sight would you recommend for an AK that can be mounted on a gas tube rail?

Sorry, forgot you don't have side rail.
Go with Midwest Industries proprietary sight mount..... I'd recommend Trijicon RMR battery free sight, I have one on my DRACO and it's an amazing product. Of course you can get Aimpoint which is really good as well.
The reason I'd recommend Midwest Ind over Ultimak is that it does not transfer so much heat to the sight + it cools hand-guard faster (the entire setup of course).

aermotor
11-30-2011, 8:23 PM
Tradition is boring.

http://i.imgur.com/NgGDNl.jpg


So is ugly :chris:

nitroxdiver
11-30-2011, 8:47 PM
I have no advice for you about adding goodies, but if you want to be more accurate with your rifle, any rifle, get and learn to use a sling. It will help a ton. An Appleseed event will teach you how to use your sling, and the steps to making an accurate rifle shot. Breath control, trigger control, sight alignment, etc.
Have fun!

jimmykan
11-30-2011, 8:51 PM
http://i44.tinypic.com/3yf09.jpg

Shown here:

AK-74, built by Mike at Valkyrie Arms. It came with wood stocks, I put cheap K-VAR stuff on it and made it featureless.

12,000+ rounds of Russian surplus 5.45.

By the time I get through half of that ammo, I think I'll "more accurate" with my rifle.

mrvash
11-30-2011, 8:52 PM
Can't wait till I get my AK so I can mall ninja the crap out of it :)

skanless
11-30-2011, 8:56 PM
That one is mine. It looks like this now, slightly different but little bit better.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/sergey25/Guns%203/667744.jpg

Yes, good red dot will make you shoot more accurate
Absolutely beautiful rifle.

Richard Erichsen
11-30-2011, 9:08 PM
Well, it's not that I wanna make it all tacticool, I am just getting tired of the outdated sights.

Any recommendation on how to make me more accurate with my ak47, I guess?

A sight upgrade is an upgrade with a purpose behind it. Making it "look cool" is what defines the mall ninja upgrade pattern, none of which is to achieve any meaningful functionality enhancement and there are many crap products available that will ultimately break apart, fall off, interfere with some aspect of the manual of arms or make no noticeable difference whatsoever.

Iron Sight Upgrades:

For rear sights that fit into the rear sight base, there are a few. The RPK rear leaf sight is much more adjustable and can be had for around $50 with parkerized or black oxide finish and white or yellow high contrast distance indicators. Krebs makes a simple aperture sight that replaces the rear leaf sight that is quite good. The Mojo Microclick takes the same concept further but adds a finer elevation adjustment.

XS Sights makes a tritium sight set with rear aperture and front sight blade. Ameriglo make a front sight blade with a tritium vial. The downside of tritium sights is their diameter makes longer distance shots more difficult, but increases sight acquisition in low light at shorter ranges.

For the front sights, KNS makes a number of different front sight posts. I prefer a much thinner front sight post and KNS makes not only a thinner post, but several types and shapes of post. There are glow-in-the dark phosphorescent paints that you can dab on the top of the sight post to achieve a kind of "poor mans" tritium sight without the cost and when or if the glow effect fades you can simply repaint it. A small bottle is enough to do hundreds of sights.

For the aperture sights, Tech-Sights are of a highly adjustable type and put the aperture near the eye. You remove the sight leaf, replace the roll pin with a pin with the middle flat. The sight base fits into the T piece on top of the rear trunnion and replaces the recoil spring assembly. You can pull it out and refit it and it will return to zero. The AK200 series are single aperture with elevation and windage adjustment, while the AK100 are dual aperture (for different distances) with windage adjustment only. I prefer the AK200 myself.

Finally there are the TWS Dog Leg 2 top picatinny cover, a milled aluminum assembly which replaces the recoil assembly so that the attachment can dovetail into the top of the rear trunnion. Like the Tech-Sights, the recoil spring assembly is replaced by a new piece that slides into the rear trunnion and locks the cover in place. Usually folks buy this rail for optics, but they can also be used with iron sights, or co-witnessed between irons and optics. TWS makes a fixed aperture sight out of aluminum that is very low profile for this rail. Finding a low profile picatinny sight can be a challenge, though I've recently located a few on MidwayUSA that offer elevation and windage in a compact package.

Upgrading your sights is about the least "tacticool" upgrade there is, they are small, not especially expensive compared to scopes or red dots and photograph particularly well compared to a large, expensive looking optic. They are a highly practical way of modernizing the AK platform and not an especially expensive one.

R

H2O MAN
11-30-2011, 11:11 PM
^^^^



same optic, I assume?

Aimpoint Micro

sindominator
11-30-2011, 11:26 PM
I am really looking into this for next project. It still allows you to aim below your optics with irons.

http://www.samson-mfg.com/ar-15_html/product/AK-RSR1.html

Or you can get a complete rail system. Samson also makes a nice one and it isn't as bulky as some other brands. Easy to install, you can still use the original iron sites. If you want to go back to wood furniture you can remove the system pretty easy It also weights just as much maybe a few feathers heavier. Here is my Krinkov with a samson system:

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f250/sindominator/IMG_1718.jpg

With Optics and gear:
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f250/sindominator/278228_1821638223362_1312407214_31583599_7573687_o .jpg

skanless
11-30-2011, 11:42 PM
I am really looking into this for next project. It still allows you to aim below your optics with irons.

http://www.samson-mfg.com/ar-15_html/product/AK-RSR1.html

Or you can get a complete rail system. Samson also makes a nice one and it isn't as bulky as some other brands. Easy to install, you can still use the original iron sites. If you want to go back to wood furniture you can remove the system pretty easy It also weights just as much maybe a few feathers heavier. Here is my Krinkov with a samson system:

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f250/sindominator/IMG_1718.jpg

With Optics and gear:
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f250/sindominator/278228_1821638223362_1312407214_31583599_7573687_o .jpg
Is it wrong I'm getting a little turned on. :D. Very nice krinkov

Ryan in SD
12-01-2011, 1:51 AM
I have learned a lot over the last year what works and what doesnt work. Looks wise and most importantly functionality.

I feel that any optics on an AK are going to suck if you cant get a good cheek weld. This means getting an aftermarket stock or stock riser OR getting a mini dot with the super low profile mounts, either ultimak or midwest industries.

With aks that have a high bore axis (ie romy angled down underfolders) in relation to the center of the buttstock, I found using a mini vert grip helps me recover from recoil a tiny quicker and just easier mechanically to hold with the inherent muzzle flip with high bore axis platforms. Unfortunately, this usually means making a "mall ninja" decision to get a quad rail forend. I dont mind em if done right.

Solid stock AKs are best to start with, my favorite all time red dot setup was very very simple. On my bulgarian wood stock ak74 I had a midwest industries "diving board" mini dot mount with a vortex sparc. Made hitting clays offhand at 100yards seem easy. Great cheeck weld and ergos.

For god sakes, please be tasteful, dont get the wonky looking AR15 stock adapters. Theres one out there in particular that is absolutely gross looking. Like, blinding...

PandaLuv
12-01-2011, 7:43 AM
Wow, great suggestions. Thank you, guys!

PandaLuv
12-01-2011, 7:46 AM
I am really looking into this for next project. It still allows you to aim below your optics with irons.

http://www.samson-mfg.com/ar-15_html/product/AK-RSR1.html

Or you can get a complete rail system. Samson also makes a nice one and it isn't as bulky as some other brands. Easy to install, you can still use the original iron sites. If you want to go back to wood furniture you can remove the system pretty easy It also weights just as much maybe a few feathers heavier. Here is my Krinkov with a samson system:

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f250/sindominator/IMG_1718.jpg

With Optics and gear:
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f250/sindominator/278228_1821638223362_1312407214_31583599_7573687_o .jpg

I have a poly k-var stock on it, not big fan of wood, tbh.

Thanks for showing that rail, that looks much better than the gas tube rail.

Which optics are those? Kobra?

Volksgrenadier
12-01-2011, 7:50 AM
Upgrading the Sword of the Motherland? Yes. Making it mall ninja? Well, if you want to be a mall ninja, then go for it with gusto, I guess.

sindominator
12-01-2011, 1:05 PM
Thanks for the love guys.

The optic on the Krinkov is a Russian Rakurs-P from the company NPZ optics. They sell a more low profile mount. As you can see my has a sort of dove tail arc mount. I did this because It's an underfolder and if I went with something more low profile, I wouldn't find a comfortable shooting position for my cheek. Underfolders are pretty sharp and have some nasty corners. So didn't want it carving up my face.

chead
12-01-2011, 1:26 PM
For god sakes, please be tasteful, dont get the wonky looking AR15 stock adapters. Theres one out there in particular that is absolutely gross looking. Like, blinding...

If you get one, get the Vltor one. It works, it's well-made, and understated. I find using a MOE stock with a riser works great for getting good eye relief on a dot mounted up front, with the added benefit that the standard AK stock lengths don't work great for me and I can adjust the MOE.

ZX-10R
12-01-2011, 4:37 PM
If you get one, get the Vltor one. It works, it's well-made, and understated. I find using a MOE stock with a riser works great for getting good eye relief on a dot mounted up front, with the added benefit that the standard AK stock lengths don't work great for me and I can adjust the MOE.

+1. I hold right and aim left with my AKs. Works very well. This is with a BP-02...I will see how it works sorta with a TWS this weekend on a Draco.

glockwise2000
12-01-2011, 4:45 PM
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f250/sindominator/IMG_1718.jpg




This Krink turns me on. Where can I get me some. :chris:

PandaLuv
12-01-2011, 4:58 PM
Shot my AK today, actually has some nice groups at 50 yards. First time shot it today at 100 yards, got 10 of 60 rounds. I'm shooting a bit high.

Roja showed me some peep sights that replace the stock rear sights, any input here?

ZX-10R
12-01-2011, 5:07 PM
Adjust front sight post for elevation. Then get a some peep sight which in my opinion is a waste. Get some white paint and paint that post tip white or whatever color you want.

Juice5610
12-01-2011, 8:19 PM
This thread reminds me of my first ak

http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af349/Juice5610/ArsenalAK472-1.jpg

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zombiescanlearn
12-01-2011, 10:10 PM
I am really looking into this for next project. It still allows you to aim below your optics with irons.

http://www.samson-mfg.com/ar-15_html/product/AK-RSR1.html

Or you can get a complete rail system. Samson also makes a nice one and it isn't as bulky as some other brands. Easy to install, you can still use the original iron sites. If you want to go back to wood furniture you can remove the system pretty easy It also weights just as much maybe a few feathers heavier. Here is my Krinkov with a samson system:

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f250/sindominator/IMG_1718.jpg

With Optics and gear:
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f250/sindominator/278228_1821638223362_1312407214_31583599_7573687_o .jpg

That's just beautiful... I'm going to go broke and my wife is going to leave me if I keep coming to this website!!!

winxp_man
12-01-2011, 10:15 PM
Man some nice Tacticool AK's in this thread :D I still like my 74 I just built stock like they originally made :) Thats just for now. My plans for a 47 might change to Tacticool AK....

Standard
12-02-2011, 10:00 AM
http://i44.tinypic.com/3yf09.jpg

Shown here:

AK-74, built by Mike at Valkyrie Arms. It came with wood stocks, I put cheap K-VAR stuff on it and made it featureless.

12,000+ rounds of Russian surplus 5.45.

By the time I get through half of that ammo, I think I'll "more accurate" with my rifle.

Looks just like mine :cool:
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c318/ZUMin3K/1321231263555.jpg
To the OP: I'm having trouble deciding between these two setups:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v613/Tim_Orrock/Arsenal%20SLR-106FR/Nightfighter%20II/P1000373.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v613/Tim_Orrock/Arsenal%20SLR-106FR/V3/P1060644.jpg
If you really want a red dot and don't have a factory side rail, the first one would probably be your best bet.

nicoroshi
12-02-2011, 10:53 AM
I have no advice for you about adding goodies, but if you want to be more accurate with your rifle, any rifle, get and learn to use a sling. It will help a ton. An Appleseed event will teach you how to use your sling, and the steps to making an accurate rifle shot. Breath control, trigger control, sight alignment, etc.
Have fun!

This^^^
I bought a few red dots for some of my builds (pistol,ak105) because of shorter than normal sight radius but most are shot with irons, and a sling.

chead
12-02-2011, 12:09 PM
I'm having trouble deciding between these two setups:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v613/Tim_Orrock/Arsenal%20SLR-106FR/Nightfighter%20II/P1000373.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v613/Tim_Orrock/Arsenal%20SLR-106FR/V3/P1060644.jpg
If you really want a red dot and don't have a factory side rail, the first one would probably be your best bet.

I will paint it pink and poo brown if I have to, I just want a SLR folder. California :(

Standard
12-02-2011, 1:15 PM
Yeah, same here. I was even thinking of getting an extended muzzle device to get the folder, but I run mine featureless, so no go :(
BTW OP, the pics I posted above are as mall ninja as I would go on an AK. Only enough rail to add what I need. The ultimak gas tube rail is the only rail I would personally use on an AK.

loosewreck
12-02-2011, 2:26 PM
Those 74s are fricken awesome. The second one is exactly how I've been dreaming of running one, possibly with a wood stock and lower handguard though. Man I'm so torn between a 74 or 9mm AR for my next rifle.

Quickdraw Mcgraw
12-02-2011, 2:50 PM
Micro red dot on an UltiMAK gas tube rail.

I just put my TRS25 on an ultimak an I really like it...cowitness, an a nice red-dot whats not to like??

NO mall ninja KISS!!

Javi
12-02-2011, 3:23 PM
Man I'm so torn between a 74 or 9mm AR for my next rifle.

I'd say first go with what you have less of. If your an AR guy, get the 74 :) Heck, just because this is an AK thread: Go with the 74 and get the polymer furniture with red dot up front!

Dhena81
12-02-2011, 4:51 PM
Looks just like mine :cool:
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c318/ZUMin3K/1321231263555.jpg
To the OP: I'm having trouble deciding between these two setups:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v613/Tim_Orrock/Arsenal%20SLR-106FR/Nightfighter%20II/P1000373.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v613/Tim_Orrock/Arsenal%20SLR-106FR/V3/P1060644.jpg
If you really want a red dot and don't have a factory side rail, the first one would probably be your best bet.

Man I really want to get an AK in 5.56

PandaLuv
12-02-2011, 5:03 PM
5.45 ;)

Standard
12-02-2011, 5:06 PM
The ones pictured are 5.56. Mine's 5.45, which I think is superior to 5.56 in the AK platform.

G-Solutions
12-02-2011, 5:31 PM
The AK is a great fighting tool - robust and reliable and it can be better with a couple of minor upgrades.
For close to medium range, add an Ultimak rail and a small red dot such as the Aimpoint H1. You can co-witness the sights, the rifle stays lightweight and maneuverable.
For longer ranges add a Texas Weapon Systems cover and either put a decent scope on it or a combination red dot with quick-mount magnifier. This makes the rifle a bit heavier and adds a bit bulk, but not overly so.
Put a sturdy two-point sling onto it and a more ergonomic pistol grip - and make sure to get quality mags such as US Palm and invest into training. Learn to run the AK the way it was designed to be used. You'll find that with weapon-adequate training you can push this rifle very far.
I ran several classes specifically for Saiga and it never ceases to amaze me how much our students accomplish with just a stock rifle. An added red dot enhances speed and accuracy - what more do you want?

p2rider426
12-02-2011, 6:22 PM
I am really looking into this for next project. It still allows you to aim below your optics with irons.

http://www.samson-mfg.com/ar-15_html/product/AK-RSR1.html

Or you can get a complete rail system. Samson also makes a nice one and it isn't as bulky as some other brands. Easy to install, you can still use the original iron sites. If you want to go back to wood furniture you can remove the system pretty easy It also weights just as much maybe a few feathers heavier. Here is my Krinkov with a samson system:

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f250/sindominator/IMG_1718.jpg

With Optics and gear:
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f250/sindominator/278228_1821638223362_1312407214_31583599_7573687_o .jpg

Those are freaking cool! Great work!

sindominator
12-02-2011, 11:57 PM
Thank you guys!!!

The bottom one is Black on Chrome it's a yugo mix part kit on an NDS receiver. The Furniture including the grip are Wood. Stained black and I added a semi gloss poly urithane finish to help with the rough handling. My little bling bling :)

Poor thing she hardly gets any attention next to the Krinkov. But she understands, that Krinkov is like the barely legal fettish no her :reddevil:.

automatikdonn
12-03-2011, 12:02 AM
Just replace the upper and lower receiver with ar-10 parts and it will be plenty accurate.