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Richard
02-27-2007, 10:29 PM
I was thinking about this the other day and for those of you in the know or the ability to make this maybe can give input.
(BILL W.,TED, Hoffmang and the other usual suspects;) )

Would this be legal given that it follows the of a pinned/attached or swing mag?
Like an SKS or the CA compliant Barrett 50.
Once the mag is slipped from the magwell it will still obstruct the insertion of another mag. The mag would slip out enough to clear the Magwell then rotate.

I would assume this would be worthwhile for any firearm that has an extraction port loading capability. HK,AK..etc.

FALS and AR's don't have the loading restrictions as the former. I would like to discuss the legality...meaning since it's attached (permanently to the receiver),would it be considered detachable?

Sorry for the paintshop....My ACAD is at work.

OH AND THE PICTURE OF THE MP5 was used as an example.....the Idea was for a CA. legal clone.;)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/ro1964/rev.jpg

bu-bye
02-27-2007, 10:34 PM
Looks ok to me. Kinda like my first prototype attached mag idea. Still not sure why it never took off:confused:

http://64.124.10.205/ar/attachedmag1.JPG

http://64.124.10.205/ar/attachedmag2.JPG

Richard
02-27-2007, 10:37 PM
Yeah...that may work if you take up the slack and prevent the insertion of a different mag.;)

Don't think this picture did not come to mind.:p

bu-bye
02-27-2007, 10:42 PM
Yeah, my pics were just a joke from many months back.

I have thought about fab'ing up something like your picture. I think its a great idea and just needs someone to make it and prove that it does work. My design did not have th mag turn side to side though. I like your idea a lot.

Richard
02-28-2007, 9:50 AM
Can someone provide sketches or pics of the CA. approved Barrett 50 swing mag design? I would like to see the extent of the permanent modification. Is the attachment welded,pinned,clamped?

thanks

JPglee1
02-28-2007, 10:08 AM
Is the attachment welded,pinned,clamped?

thanks

Welded to the mag body and attaches to the gun with a bolt/screw at the pivot as far as I know...a rivet would work just as well.


J

Richard
03-01-2007, 11:35 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/ro1964/rev.jpg



Not to beat a dead horse but I found the info on the Ca. approved Barret 50 and after examining the sketches and letter,

It seems that the Barret can accept a magazine once the hinged mag is swung away. Please correct me if I'm wrong. It clearly would be an illegal action.

(CORRECTION.....IT SEEMS IT DOESN"T SWING CLEAR ENOUGH TO INSERT ANOTHER MAG)

BUT Since this design was clearly approved,surely the magazine swivel I have proposed certainly goes over and beyond the Barret design....plus it makes it impossible to insert a magazine while the fixed mag is retracted. This design could be made permanent with rivets....etc.

I understand the DOJ is attempting to change the requirements/definition of a detachable mag, but as I understand it it has to process it thru the O???. Which will instantly put the SKS and Barrett out of compliance. Makes Sense?

What I'm hoping is that one of you members look at this feasable design and maybe approach the DOJ citing the Barret 50 approval letter? worth a try or not.

I don't do this because of time and frankly it's not worth it to me. But some of you men have certainly carved yourself a nice little buisness and may want to take it on.

There it is...my only intent here is to contribute...."one for all...you know the rest"

Below you'll see the Barrett letter and swing mag design plus some other possible rifles that will take minimal modifications ,but will certainly work with this design.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/ro1964/M82A1CAL.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/ro1964/82A1CAL-CAletter001.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/ro1964/fs2000swivel.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/ro1964/ak47swivel.jpg

ARRRR-15
03-02-2007, 10:15 PM
I have a proto type of this idea already 80% finished for my AR. I was going to finish it, but decided that you have to make the the mount very strong. If you could drop the mag and flex it back and forth, bending the mag body until it came off the pin you'd be in some deep ****. If anyone wants I can take photos and post them?

shinigami
03-02-2007, 10:21 PM
I have a proto type of this idea already 80% finished for my AR. I was going to finish it, but decided that you have to make the the mount very strong. If you could drop the mag and flex it back and forth, bending the mag body until it came off the pin you'd be in some deep ****. If anyone wants I can take photos and post them?


I'm interested in seeing the photo, can you post it please?

ARRRR-15
03-02-2007, 10:37 PM
Slik I gotta give you credit your pull down design is what got me thinking on this.

As soon as I hit post reply I was downstairs in the garage getting the parts.

I still need to mount it to the trigger guard. I had to sand down the follower tab(bolt catch lifter) to get the inside screw head to be able to pass by inside the mag. I also had to grind down the screw head(this is the major problem because is weakens the screw where you might be able the break it out.


Locked in the well
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p75/ARRRR-15/DSC03860.jpg

All the way out, loading position.
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p75/ARRRR-15/DSC03861.jpg

Dropped out, I made the clearance really tight as to keep the mounting block as small as possible.
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p75/ARRRR-15/DSC03862.jpg

Here's the follower tab and the block with screw.
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p75/ARRRR-15/DSC03863.jpg


If anyone is interested in one let me know.

Richard
03-02-2007, 11:54 PM
Nice going AR.....looks like I need to get off my ***.:)

That's what we need.....a free flow of ideas and share them through out the state.

xenophobe
03-03-2007, 12:47 AM
OH AND THE PICTURE OF THE MP5 was used as an example.....the Idea was for a CA. legal clone.;)

No, this would not be legal on an MP5 or a clone. If you have a collapsable stock, then you have a SBR, if you fix the stock, then you're still dealing with creating a SB-15 banned pistol.

There are more problems with this particular example than it would be worth. I'd expect it to get confiscated and paying a lot in lawyer's fees explaining how you think it's legal.

Of course the letter or the law and a LEO/DA interpretation of it becomes more difficult and I think a liability when you do so many cutting edge manipulations of a firearm that would be banned for several different reasons...

Richard
03-03-2007, 1:10 AM
No, this would not be legal on an MP5 or a clone. If you have a collapsable stock, then you have a SBR, if you fix the stock, then you're still dealing with creating a SB-15 banned pistol.

There are more problems with this particular example than it would be worth. I'd expect it to get confiscated and paying a lot in lawyer's fees explaining how you think it's legal.

Of course the letter or the law and a LEO/DA interpretation of it becomes more difficult and I think a liability when you do so many cutting edge manipulations of a firearm that would be banned for several different reasons...


My bad...I do know that the mp5 is not CA legal and a collapsable stock on a 94 clone would not meet the 30" limit......I should have just cropped the mag portion.

OK FIXED....the main point was to focus on the swivel attachment.:o