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jm13690
11-27-2011, 10:08 PM
I have a lower just waiting to get put together, but I can not decide on what caliber I want to do. I already have a 223 wylde, so I am looking for something different. I am thinking I may go for the 204 because of the availability of lead free ammo for it, since I am in condor country.

I am looking for a fun precision shooter thats good for target shooting and also going for the occasional coyote or bobcat. Does anyone have any recommendations on what I should be going for?

aermotor
11-28-2011, 2:35 AM
Both are quite obscure and expensive, I wouldn't choose either. Not to mention 6.5 feeds like arse. Go with something with more kick like 6.8 or 7.63x39.

MrPlink
11-28-2011, 2:39 AM
Both are quite obscure and expensive, I wouldn't choose either. Not to mention 6.5 feeds like arse. Go with something with more kick like 6.8 or 7.63x39.

6.8 is just as obscure/expensive

In that price range I'll reach for .308 and call it a day

hammerhands32
11-28-2011, 6:54 AM
Never had a problem with my 6.5 feeding but it is pricey. The only benefit over .308 is that it fits in a standard AR15. You can get a 700 cheaper than you can get a 6.5 upper.

I don't have a .204 but I like the idea and if it is what you want don't let us stop you.

Sniper3142
11-28-2011, 8:14 AM
Both are quite obscure and expensive, I wouldn't choose either. Not to mention 6.5 feeds like arse. Go with something with more kick like 6.8 or 7.63x39.

Both 6.8 and 7.62x39 suck ballistically compared to the 6.5 Grendel.

The 6.8 and 7.62x39 are meant to deliver more energy than the .223/5.56mm at short ranges. The 6.5 Grendel is meant to extend the performance and ability of the AR15 platform at medium to longer ranges.

If the OP is only ever going to be shooting at distances less than 300 yards, I'm sure the 6.8 or 7.62x39 would be fine. For anything beyond that, the 6.5 grendel or .204 Ruger would be better choices.

And ALL of these rounds will require rolling your own because of current availability and cost.

scamp62
11-28-2011, 8:30 AM
6.5 Grendel !!! all the way !!!
And I have never had any problem with feeding with my 6.5 Grendel.
"Aermotor" what prob's have you had with your 6.5 Grendel ??

jm13690
11-28-2011, 5:06 PM
I have an extra AR15 lower laying around, so going 308 is out for now. That's why I was looking for something in the AR15 realm.

Well looking around it seems like the 204 has the best availability of lead-free ammo. I do not want to base my decision on that alone, but it does make a difference. That darn lead free really puts a dampener on things.

Hoop
11-28-2011, 5:26 PM
another 223 is the "best" choice.

you could build a 6.5 grendel upper yourself, I think midway had some wilson barrels + bolts in 6.5 grendel, 18" for 300. Good price and good reviews. The only downside is the ammo cost BUT if you reload then that's no problem.

204 would be like a 22-250. I would only do that if you want a dedicated varmint upper.

shadowofnight
11-28-2011, 5:26 PM
Buddy of mine has a 204 upper, loves it.

Uses standard AR mags, cycles as well as any 223/5.56 AR...really no downside except for ammunition cost. He reloads, so even that is not an issue.

If you want the 204 cartridge, the AR is a great platform to utilize it.

pdq_wizzard
11-28-2011, 5:33 PM
If I could get a suppressor in CA I would be looking at the 300 AAC blackout, the thought of shooting subsonic rounds sounds fun, and the ballistics of some of the loads looks good.

toby
11-28-2011, 5:37 PM
243 or 6.5 creedmoor

kblack583
11-28-2011, 5:56 PM
I have an extra AR15 lower laying around, so going 308 is out for now. That's why I was looking for something in the AR15 realm.

Well looking around it seems like the 204 has the best availability of lead-free ammo. I do not want to base my decision on that alone, but it does make a difference. That darn lead free really puts a dampener on things.

204 would be perfect for what you're trying to do. And if you wanna wack critters smaller than coyotes/bobs then it gets even better!!!

ArmyMedicMoose
11-28-2011, 6:06 PM
whats wrong with a good 6mm? 243 a great round

ArmyMedicMoose
11-28-2011, 6:06 PM
I do have a 6.5 and I love it. cheap to reload and great 1200 yard rifle

scamp62
11-28-2011, 7:34 PM
To:toby
The .243 and 6.5 Creedmoor will not fit standard AR15 action.
And to everybody else, Bill Alexander has released the round to SAAMI !
So the cost of ammo, and brass should be coming down, as more Co. makes it.

jm13690
11-28-2011, 9:27 PM
I think the 204 has finally stood the test of time and it will be a caliber that will be around for a while.

I am not to sure on the 6.5 Grendel, its hard to find ammo for it now but I heard Wolf is going to carry it and the rest hopefully will follow.

GUNNTZ
11-28-2011, 10:06 PM
I've got a 204 upper with a 22" Lothar-Walther barrel on it, damn gun is just amazing. Ammo is still kinda expensive, but not like some of the other rounds mentioned. It would be best to reload your own, this is what I do. Average cost per round is 30c when reloaded and is much more accurate than factory stuff. 204 has good capability out to 500 yards and I've smoked down a couple yotes easily with this round.

Twystd1
11-28-2011, 10:11 PM
I love my .204 Ruger AR. Assuming little to no wind. You can hit clays all day out to 535 yards. Thats my longest shooting so far at Berdoo Canyon. When the wind comes up. That little pill moves all over the place at long range. I put the .204 away if the wind is up. Yet I rarely shoot in high wind.

My upper is a fluted stainless WOA upper with a Leupold VX-3 8.5-25x50mm Long Range Target scope. (WOA = White Oak Armament)

You can punch the staples out of the target stands with ease at 100 yards.
NOTE: I use hand loads. The factory loads shoot well. Just not as well as hand rolled loads.

NOTE 2: If you want to shoot longer range and wind will be a factor. I would go with a .223 or build a .243, 6mm or .308 gun.

Thats my .o2 worth...

Cheers
T

five.five-six
11-28-2011, 10:17 PM
the problem with 204 is when you put your friend's 204 brass in your .223 sizing die, he gets all buthurt n stuff

Bhobbs
11-28-2011, 10:24 PM
6mm AR Turbo. 100 grain class bullets at 2800+ fps out of a Grendel case.

rabagley
11-28-2011, 11:53 PM
Both are quite obscure and expensive, I wouldn't choose either. Not to mention 6.5 feeds like arse. Go with something with more kick like 6.8 or 7.63x39.

I agree that the Grendel is obscure and expensive to shoot (reloaders only need apply) but poor feeding?

Maybe I just got luck with my C-Products magazines, but I've never had a misfeed in my Grendel. If you have more information, I'd be interested in the magazine brand and if the receiver/barrel had M4 feedramps (mine does).

rabagley
11-28-2011, 11:58 PM
I think the 204 has finally stood the test of time and it will be a caliber that will be around for a while.

I am not to sure on the 6.5 Grendel, its hard to find ammo for it now but I heard Wolf is going to carry it and the rest hopefully will follow.

Wolf 6.5 Grendel has been around for a while. I had some back in 2009, but it was teh suck for accuracy/consistency. I couldn't get it to shoot better than 3 MOA groups (reloads in lapua brass have done much better than that in this barrel, so it was the ammo).

jm13690
11-29-2011, 12:40 PM
I think I am going to go 204 just because of that darn lead free issue. Now I just got to decide on where I should get the upper from.

duggan
11-29-2011, 12:50 PM
6.8 ammo isn't that hard to find, SSA makes some lead free rounds using Barnes bullets in 85 and 110gr with a couple of different bullet types (mpg, tsx, ttsx) all shoot really well out of mine and really put the hurt on yotes. Not really the best for long range paper work though.

chicoredneck
11-29-2011, 12:55 PM
You will be happy with the 204 ruger. I have an Ar in that caliber and it is a lazer beam out to 500 yards. Factory ammo is pretty common for it and usually somewhere between 18-25$ for the hornady vmax. I have seen it as low as $14 a box before as well.

gun toting monkeyboy
11-29-2011, 12:57 PM
Oh god. The Grendelites got in early. An important note JM, never, ever mention the word "Grendel" in a post with any other cartridge. The Grendelites will swarm and tell you how their sacred cartridge is far and away the best thing since the invention of gunpowder, sliced bread and Twinkies. Any other cartridge is inferior, and comparing the 6.5 to anything short of Chuck Norris is blasphemy.

For your situation, look at the cost of the upper and ammo. Look at what you plan to use the upper for. Look at the cost and availability of reloading supplies if you plan to go that route. Then make your decision based on all of that. If a .204 fits the bill, go for it. Same with the 6.8 or 6.5. Any of them will work on Coyotes and bobcats. The 6.8 and 6.5 can also cover deer and wild boar. Not that we have that many boar in CA, but if you go elsewhere, it is nice. Design the gun around what you intend to do with it, not around what somebody online tells you to.

-Mb

And for the record, I went with the 6.8 because the reloading supplies were cheaper. Despite what the Grendelites claim, there isn't a whole lot of difference between the 6.5 and the 6.8 Spec II. They like to quote the data from the older Spec I chamberings and 10 year old load data. The newer specs close the gap to the point that most mere mortals can't tell the difference inside 400 yards.

kblack583
11-29-2011, 5:25 PM
I think I am going to go 204 just because of that darn lead free issue. Now I just got to decide on where I should get the upper from.

Here's a decnt one. Haven't checked prices but PK is normally GTG.
http://www.pkfirearms.com/204_Ruger/53/c

White Oak 204 uppers have a great reputation.
http://www.whiteoakarmament.com/xcart/images/WOACatalog2.pdf

jm13690
11-29-2011, 5:36 PM
Here's a decnt one. Haven't checked prices but PK is normally GTG.
http://www.pkfirearms.com/204_Ruger/53/c

White Oak 204 uppers have a great reputation.
http://www.whiteoakarmament.com/xcart/images/WOACatalog2.pdf

I have been looking at WOA, but Specialized Dynamics has caught my eye. They have been speaking really highly of them on the predator forums.

scamp62
11-29-2011, 6:18 PM
Hay “Monkkeyboy”
California has a great population of wild boar, you just have to get out of San Diego !
King City area in the central part of the state has a fantastic hunting opportunity’s for wild boar !
You should really try to get out more.
And secondly you say “JM, never, ever mention the word "Grendel" in a post “ umm pal
Take the glasses off the monkey off you avatar ! the title of the thread is “204 vs. 6.5 Grendel” Sooo he in fact he wanted to know about the .204 Ruger, vs., 6.5 Grendel !
Never did he ask about the 6.8 SPC.

gun toting monkeyboy
11-29-2011, 10:02 PM
I know. But any post that mentions the Grendel AND another cartridge riles them up something awful. Besides, he asked:

"I am looking for a fun precision shooter thats good for target shooting and also going for the occasional coyote or bobcat. Does anyone have any recommendations on what I should be going for?"

Which I took to mean that he was opening up the floor to all manner of suggestions. I'll have to go look for boar hunts up north, but the last time I looked a couple of years back, they were all canned hunts, or on people's private ranches. I may have to go poking around again. But at this point it is way easier for me to just go hunt pigs in Texas. ;)

-Mb