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Cbieling
02-27-2007, 12:08 PM
Removed for legality concerns.

MotoGuy
02-27-2007, 1:14 PM
Is this for the green or black version? Picture on your website is black but the text says green.

Cbieling
02-27-2007, 1:26 PM
Thanks for the question.

The ones I have right now are Black, they do offer a green version but Black is on hand right now.

Thanks again,
Chris

hiyabrad
02-27-2007, 3:55 PM
How does one go about making this Calif. legal?

Rascal
02-27-2007, 4:06 PM
A picture would be nice. :)

thmpr
02-27-2007, 4:14 PM
Rascal,
I believe its on his website... www.lanworldinc.com

Rascal
02-27-2007, 4:29 PM
Thank you for the link Thmpr. I didn't know who he was, now I know. :)

draconianruler
02-27-2007, 4:49 PM
Any news on the FS2000?

indetrucks
02-27-2007, 5:24 PM
Here's the pic..
http://www.lanworldinc.com/FN3818950040_1.jpg

That thing is sweet!!
I may have to hold off on the AK purchase and dig a bit deeper for this..
I am also interested in what would be needed to make this CA legal. Fixed mag? Something this cool cannot be easy to have in this Liberal State!

wooger
02-27-2007, 5:47 PM
Hmm?

bwiese
02-27-2007, 6:22 PM
I don't wanna step on someone's sales, but I would encourage folks not to buy something that may have a troublesome path to legality.

There may or may not even be parts out there to get it close.

This may be cutting it too close - 'constructive possession' doesn't apply but at least. I do not think you should mess with a gun that has may have (??) no chance of being rationally assembled into some legal configuration.

I dunno that much about the PS90, but before you buy/import, consider these items you might have to deal with to render this into a legal operational configuration....

- filling the thumbhole stock is probably pretty easy;
- I do worry/wonder about the front stock structure being considered a forward grip;
- if there are 10rd magazines available, and if a fixed-mag solution would work;
- if there are longer bbls to get 30" min. overall length or if you gotta weld a sleeve over bbl;
- find out if PS90 can be rendered into non-semiauto manually-cycled form by removing a part + closing the gas port;

Be careful. Let's discuss PS90s in the Rifleman's forum here and figure out legit configurations that are readily possible.

6172crew
02-27-2007, 6:47 PM
run a small cable from the mag to the receiver and allow the mag to be pulled out just enough to feed the mag but nort allow another mag to inserted into the receiver.

In order to load these you just need the feed ramps to enough space to get your ammo and a thumb up in there.

The length is all ready delt with through the halo group.

The cable should be like a bicycle brake cable or something very strong.

grammaton76
02-27-2007, 7:17 PM
Got a guy with a fixed mag setup figured out, although he hasn't gotten it fabricated yet to try with my ps90... troublesome bit is you have to not only fix the mag, but extend the rifle to 30" or so.

EBWhite
02-27-2007, 7:55 PM
Another excellent buy from Chris. However, the FN seems like too much trouble to make legal IMO.

Josh3239
02-27-2007, 8:16 PM
How does one go about making this Calif. legal?

Fill in the thumbhole stock and your good to go.

6172crew
02-27-2007, 9:06 PM
These are the guys who made the extended buttstock.

http://www.halomfg.com/Results.cfm?keywords=Enter+Keyword%28s%29&category=7&Submit.x=32&Submit.y=10

grammaton76
02-27-2007, 11:42 PM
Fill in the thumbhole stock and your good to go.

NO, NO, NO, NO, NO!!!!!! You are dead wrong here!

As a PS90 owner, I sure as heck do not want people buying these without knowing what they're getting into. It'll just make things worse for those of us who are going to follow the law and either wait 'till we've got a legal setup, or not assemble them in CA.

There are FOUR "evil features" which must be nullified in order to legally use a ps90 with detachable mags!

1. That flash hider on the front? It's NOT threaded. It's blind-pinned into a barrel sleeve, and you are not going to be able to remove it without a drill.

2. The 'thumbhole stock' section, of course, is an issue.

3. Forward pistol grip. Yes, the forward part of the ps90 is contoured for your forward hand - you'd also need to block that off so that the only hole going from the one side of the ps90 to the other, is the trigger hole.

4. Overall length. The PS90 is just a hair over 26" long, which makes it an assault weapon in CA unless you extend it.

Unless you address ALL OF THESE ISSUES, the PS90 is an assault weapon with a detachable magazine!

If you cover them all, or pin the mag in place AND extend it to 30" or more, then you're "good to go". Not before!

tenpercentfirearms
02-28-2007, 5:51 AM
If you cover them all, or pin the mag in place AND extend it to 30" or more, then you're "good to go". Not before!
Don't forget you need to pin a 10 round magazine to it.

saki302
02-28-2007, 5:57 AM
I still disagree with the forward pistol grip issue. A forward pistol grip is commonly accepted as a broomhandle style device usually found on AR's and such.

The PS90 has more of a forward thumbhole grasp. If you were to be uber-paranoid, however, you coudl easily make a block which would make the trigger hole round and not oblong, to disallow use of the left thumb. I've seen a lot of PS90 shooters NOT use the thumb through the trigger hole anyways- it's too small for big framed guys.

As far as the flash hider goes, I think one or more companies make a fake suppressor to cover it, which takes tools to install and remove. If it's installed WELL so it can't fall off, that should do fine. One company makes a nice one now, I can't remember who.

The problem with pinning the mag is you could never reload... unless you modded the mag wwith a loading lever and loading port- hmm.. maybe not a bad idea!

-Dave

6172crew
02-28-2007, 6:20 AM
I still disagree with the forward pistol grip issue. A forward pistol grip is commonly accepted as a broomhandle style device usually found on AR's and such.

The PS90 has more of a forward thumbhole grasp. If you were to be uber-paranoid, however, you coudl easily make a block which would make the trigger hole round and not oblong, to disallow use of the left thumb. I've seen a lot of PS90 shooters NOT use the thumb through the trigger hole anyways- it's too small for big framed guys.

As far as the flash hider goes, I think one or more companies make a fake suppressor to cover it, which takes tools to install and remove. If it's installed WELL so it can't fall off, that should do fine. One company makes a nice one now, I can't remember who.

The problem with pinning the mag is you could never reload... unless you modded the mag wwith a loading lever and loading port- hmm.. maybe not a bad idea!
-Dave

As a PS90 owner I say your wrong Dave, read what I said and you will see that the magazine can still remain in the receiver and can be loaded with a cable that allows only enough room to load yet another mag cant get by to be loaded into the action...

Im not saying its the best setup but it can be done and mine is in a box like grammaton76's ps90.

Toolbox X
02-28-2007, 6:24 AM
I don't wanna step on someone's sales, but I would encourage folks not to buy something that may have a troublesome path to legality.

There may or may not even be parts out there to get it close.

This may be cutting it too close - 'constructive possession' doesn't apply but at least. I do not think you should mess with a gun that has may have (??) no chance of being rationally assembled into some legal configuration.

I live in Sacramento which is a 2 hour drive from Reno, NV.

I am completely justified in owning the parts of a firearm that when completely assembled are legal to shoot in NV, so long as I obey and comply with all CA laws while I am in CA.

However, I see and respect Bill's point. This is an area where a gun owner may be guilty until proven innocent should he ever find himself in court. It would be wise to establish a track record of NV trips and under no circumstances should the weapon ever be assembled into a configuration that is illegal in CA while the weapon in physically in CA. This last point may prove too difficult for some, and those people should stay away from these types of firearms.

-Grant

tiger222
02-28-2007, 6:30 AM
I really like this rifle too and have concluded the easiest way to own one is to make it a single shot / manual action (like some guys have a manual action AK with an underfolder that I saw someone post). Install a removable 10 round magazine (that are avaiable) and disable the semi auto function ~

When you move out of state, re-enable the semi auto function.

This way you don't need to alter the gun at all.

IMHO, my $0.02 :)

Thanks for making a great gun like this available!!

jerryb78
02-28-2007, 8:34 AM
i like to own one before they ban it in california hope Cal DOJ don't do anything to prevent us from owning one of this baby.

"just because they say we can' t have it, is the only reason we want to own one. "

Franksremote
02-28-2007, 8:43 AM
I REALLY wanted one to match my USG, but with all the Cali crap don't know if it's worth it nor would I like to shoot it altered from it's original configuration. Anyone willing to let me send a few rounds downrange with my own ammo next time they're out with it?

JGarrison
02-28-2007, 9:00 AM
What about the FS 2000?

http://www.fnhusa.com/products/firearms/model.asp?fid=FNF011&gid=FNG006&mid=FNM0030

saki302
02-28-2007, 9:31 AM
Haha- a cable fixed mag- brilliant!

A 10 round mag is in fact available- I think CMMG Inc. has them.

Thinking along similar lines, the 10 round mag has a giant blocking plate inside. I wonder if it would be more simple to cut the mag in half and use a folding hinge to load?

The cable sounds like a great idea though, looped through the 'carry handle' (owners knwow hat I mean), I can now see how it would be pretty easy to load. Meet the 30" min length and you're set (butt pad extension).

As far as single-shot operation goes, you can't- the PS90 is a blowback gun. There is no gas port to shut off.
Well, I suppose you could if you wanted to bad enough, but it wouldn't be simple.

As far as the FS2000 goes, block the thumbhole, get rid of the flash hider, and you're set. It's like 29.1" long, so you need a slightly longer muzzle brake installed, and you're good. It'll take your pre-ban AR mags too :D

-Dave

thmpr
02-28-2007, 9:39 AM
FS2000 is available on Chris's website....:D

threadcrapper
02-28-2007, 10:02 AM
It's cool, but too much risk and trouble to own one here in California. Add the cost, time and stress of covering all your bases and you still might get in trouble with it. I'd rather get a 10/22 Bullpup and be happy with that.

If Bill or Gene say that there might be problems with the law, folks, these guys in the ones who know. They're like the tribal elders and they know their stuff. Who wants to be sitting in jail saying " I should have listened to guys on calguns?" Not me. Not one gun is worth a felony and $20K+ in legal bills. Not one.

grammaton76
02-28-2007, 10:13 AM
Thinking along similar lines, the 10 round mag has a giant blocking plate inside. I wonder if it would be more simple to cut the mag in half and use a folding hinge to load?

Yes and no. If you want an 8rd mag or so, then the answer is certainly yes. The complication arises from the fact that ps90 magazines include two "blanks" - they're little rods that are just a little bit wider than 5.7x28mm rounds. Those blanks are the only way to force the last two rounds out of the magazine; the mag follower, of course, has no way to contort itself all the way down through that 90-degree-rotation well.

grammaton76
02-28-2007, 10:14 AM
I still disagree with the forward pistol grip issue. A forward pistol grip is commonly accepted as a broomhandle style device usually found on AR's and such.

The PS90 has more of a forward thumbhole grasp. If you were to be uber-paranoid, however, you coudl easily make a block which would make the trigger hole round and not oblong, to disallow use of the left thumb. I've seen a lot of PS90 shooters NOT use the thumb through the trigger hole anyways- it's too small for big framed guys.

I've seen people fire forward-PG'ed ARs without grasping the forward pg. It doesn't change the fact that it's DA bait. You are correct in that it's basically a forward thumbhole grip, but do you honestly think that a DA couldn't easily make the case that it's a forward pistol grip? Walk away from this one.

bwiese
02-28-2007, 11:03 AM
I've seen people fire forward-PG'ed ARs without grasping the forward pg. It doesn't change the fact that it's DA bait. You are correct in that it's basically a forward thumbhole grip, but do you honestly think that a DA couldn't easily make the case that it's a forward pistol grip? Walk away from this one.

Yes, the 'forward pistol grip' statutory evil feature is defined in 11 CCR 5469(c):

"forward pistol grip" means a grip that allows for a pistol style grasp forward of the trigger.

There's no specification for 'web of trigger hand', "below top of trigger", etc and the very important conjunctive, and.

So we get into argument what is a pistol-style grasp and don't have any additional restrictions to bracket it.

A DA may not ultimately be able to say it's a forward pistol grip - but we have NOWHERE the giant amount of clarity from a product's interrelationship with regulatory definitions that we have with both MonsterMan grips and U15 stocks and what is/isn't a "detachable magazine".

Kestryll
02-28-2007, 11:10 AM
There are signifigant questions of the legalities of selling this item in California and more questions regarding buying it and the necessary modifications that may or may not be possible to make it leagal here.
As of right now that weapon is not leagal for sale in California so to prevent any potential problems for our members I am locking this thread down.