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spencerk
11-26-2011, 3:43 PM
So yesterday was black friday and i decided to go to bass pro shops for the first time and made the drive to stockton to check it out... There had to be 1000 people in that store. They were taking numbers just at the gun counter and were almost 100 behind. I had 30 and they were on 40... Time to wait for 3 hours just to hold a rifle... After looking at 5 or 6 blts and a handi rifle, i decided on the remington 700 in .243 with a camo stock for 520 after fees. Also got a one piece scope mount and a nikon prostaff 3-9x40mm scope. I almoat got the rifle in .308 because i have 500 rounds of brown bear ammo just sitting on my desk lol. But i really like .2xx series callibers. I have an easier time hitting steel plates at 800 yards with .243 than i so with .308 tho.
Plus if i ever wanted a .308 it wouldnt be hard to rebarrel it. Im going to be a gunsmith so ill be able to do this stuff at SCHOOL lol. Plus i want to use this for deer and coyote and a .308 will destroy coyote fur unless your using an fmj. And i love small game hunting for pest control (i dont like killing animals, i like the challenge of hitting a moving target and only do it to control rodents and pests in my buddies land. If it wasnt me doing it, it would be somebody else either way) and .243 seems to be the best all around cartrige in my opinion. At least for the amount of recoil it has.

Plus it came with a sling, and plano hardcase that fits a scoped rifle. Way nicer than the case i got for my mauser.

Did i pay for it? Nope. My dad did. He did it as a suprize xmas gift. He is the greatest. He almost insisted on me getting a $550 tikka t3, but i needed the 700 for gunsmithing school. But damn those beretta's are nice.

Now all i have to do is wait til the sixth... God this hurts. Lol
Heres the only pic i felt like taking. I had been awake for over 48 straight hours at that point, So i dednt really feel like waiting any longer. Paperwork took over an hour though which seems a little odd.... O well the rifle is mine :)

I havnt been this happy since the day i fell in love with my lady. Now it feels like i might be having a love affair with a new lady, Ms. 700:

Here she is:
http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w163/kingfisherkohl/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_7304.jpg

Lemme know what you think. I think im going to repaint and refinish the stock. It sadly has an airsoft gun looking seamline on its stock and it kinda bugs me. Lol. Other than that i love it.

Btw i dont get why my rifle has a matt finish on the bolt when the other 700's had a polished bolt. Is there any real reason for that other than looks?

Drivedabizness
11-26-2011, 4:06 PM
If you are happy with it that is what is important! Enjoy the gun and good luck with your gunsmithing school!

jtv3062
11-26-2011, 4:50 PM
If you noticed the price of those rifles with the shiny bolts are probley a lot more than your sps. Remember the sps is the low grade of the 700. Not that their is anything wrong with the sps I own 4 of them

atomboy
11-26-2011, 5:00 PM
Congrats.
Remington 700 is always a good choice (.243 is nice choice too)
You may want to try .22-250 for dedicated varmint shooting.
I have Rem 700 Varmint Special in .22-250 from early 80s that still shoots great.

DrunkN_MastR
11-26-2011, 5:03 PM
Congrats. Personally I like the matte black better on all my firearms (I ain't entering no beauty shows), but I might be in the minority.

bsg
11-26-2011, 5:46 PM
congratulations, and kudos to your dad.

spencerk
11-26-2011, 5:54 PM
Congrats.
Remington 700 is always a good choice (.243 is nice choice too)
You may want to try .22-250 for dedicated varmint shooting.
I have Rem 700 Varmint Special in .22-250 from early 80s that still shoots great.

I was thinking about it but i like the added weight. I can use it as a trail gun for protection from cougars (i recently got attacked but got away with only being injuried from jumping off really high embankments and running straight through bushes to get to my car about 200 yards away it circled around because of my attempts at giving it obsticals to hinder its progress. It overshot me at first which is what saved my life i think. Ill give you more info if you want its just a long story). Im a good shot without looking down sights so im not worried about placement. Any good reccomendations for trail ammo and for plinking ammo too? Also what about a good bipod? Im not worried about the weight. Im 6'2 and pretty strong and when i first healed the rifle i assumed it woild be heavier and was amazed at how light it was. Very suprizing. Id feel more comortable with a heavier gun. Lol

donw
11-26-2011, 6:04 PM
Congrats.
Remington 700 is always a good choice (.243 is nice choice too)
You may want to try .22-250 for dedicated varmint shooting.
I have Rem 700 Varmint Special in .22-250 from early 80s that still shoots great.

+1...i have the BDL in 22-250

wonderfully accurate rifle...

spencerk
11-27-2011, 7:00 PM
Nice. How does .22-250 compare to .243? Like im talking along the lines of max range, energy, and kick

308fan
11-27-2011, 7:06 PM
243 is a great round. You will be happy with it. You can load it for varmint or deer. It is a very adaptable round! Good choice.

jtv3062
11-27-2011, 7:09 PM
.243 has heavier bullets which should translate to better range, energy, and kick. And bucks the wind better

atomboy
11-27-2011, 7:29 PM
Nice. How does .22-250 compare to .243? Like im talking along the lines of max range, energy, and kick

.22-250 is primary used as a varmint cartridge for everything from crow to coyote.
It’s not suitable for larger games as most states have minimum caliber restriction limiting the use for larger games.

West coast
11-27-2011, 7:44 PM
Congrats.....Which scope??

spencerk
11-27-2011, 7:54 PM
Nikon Prostaff 3-9x40mm BDC in matte black. Ill definatly have a picture up the day i get it and hopefully some range results too. i honestly cant believe how light this rifle is tho. my arms lifted up when i picked it up for the first time because of the fact that i was expecting a heavier rifle and overcompensated lol.

jimster716
11-27-2011, 7:55 PM
Congrats!

I pick up my 700 AAC-SD on Wednesday or Thursday...don't mean to rub it in. I've just been stoked a few days longer than you. ;)

spencerk
11-27-2011, 7:59 PM
Lol its all good. Just searched that up and that looks like a nice one! im starting to see why everybody loves the 700 series rifles, they are plain gorgeous and shoot twice as good as they look.

spencerk
11-28-2011, 11:59 PM
Anybody else wanna post some remington 700 porn for me to look at while im waiting for mine? Lol. I wanna see some "options" lol

thevic
11-29-2011, 12:58 AM
Congrats on your 700! Now for gun porn :)


Sps tac (alumahyde matte black), cheytac brake, egw hd 30moa base, hs precision stock with Hooper Ordnance DBM. Inletting/befding and barrel painting done by me. Brake and tac knob done by Ken Breda in Aptos.

These pics havent been updated, but it now has flush cups on the left side with a TIS slip cuff sling. Eagle stock pack and riser. stock is in Alumahyde Coyote (magpul shade). Timney trigger and Bushnell 5-15 tac scope with PRI rings and USO level.

It's a bit heavy, but I shoot Fclass more than I hunt. I need to buy another 700 so I dont have to lug this thing all day anymore :)

http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab248/vpsmedeiros/arsenal/rem700/IMG_3901.jpg
http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab248/vpsmedeiros/arsenal/rem700/IMG_3911.jpg

thevic
11-29-2011, 1:01 AM
Well i do kill a lot of rodents too, but most of the time i my laying down hehe :)

spencerk
11-29-2011, 3:13 AM
i actually like the feel of heavier guns better. they just feel more solid to me and if worst comes to worst it makes for a great blunt weapon... (had to kill a squirrel with the but of a gun once. i was 100% out of ammo and i had shot it in a non vital area and it was un able to move, i didnt really feel good just letting it suffer).

Don29palms
11-29-2011, 5:16 AM
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg164/don29palms/July43.jpg

tast101
11-29-2011, 5:31 AM
i need some new pics and to have my bolt handle threaded. You have some fun when you get it.

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6111/6320798703_7a5183d037_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/tast101/6320798703/)
IMG_4984 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/tast101/6320798703/) by Tast101 (http://www.flickr.com/people/tast101/), on Flickr

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6034/6321318984_632f79e22a_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/tast101/6321318984/)
IMG_4977 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/tast101/6321318984/) by Tast101 (http://www.flickr.com/people/tast101/), on Flickr

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6165/6149274990_9b035e12ab_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/tast101/6149274990/)
IMG_6856 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/tast101/6149274990/) by Tast101 (http://www.flickr.com/people/tast101/), on Flickr

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6156/6148724833_1819b744bf_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/tast101/6148724833/)
IMG_6859 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/tast101/6148724833/) by Tast101 (http://www.flickr.com/people/tast101/), on Flickr

spencerk
12-06-2011, 1:48 PM
Just got the rifle!!! Heading to san leandro to shoot it as i type this message. Ill let you know how it goes!

hcbr
12-06-2011, 2:08 PM
Nice congrats, a remington 700 sps 308 owner here!

appleboy
12-06-2011, 2:52 PM
Just got the rifle!!! Heading to san leandro to shoot it as i type this message. Ill let you know how it goes!

Don't get pulled over driving while texting...

spencerk
12-06-2011, 5:57 PM
hahaha i wasnt driving and texting. my father was driving. i was just sitting there feeling like the kid from a christmas story. lol

the gun shoots great. still trying to zero it in. i managed to get it from the left upper corner to the bullseye in 20 shots and this was my first time zeroing in a high end scope of any kind, especially on a real rifle. made one sub MOA grouping at 100 yards with 100 gr winchester super x. i couldnt be any happier with the rifle (unless i woke up tomorrow morning and it happened to grow a leaoupold 50mm scope with an MSR Chassis... now that would make me go crazy). its amazingly light and handles beautifully. theres some good kick to it but not really. lol. i cant really describe it. it feels like a pillow but has some real muzzlejump while on a rest. i seriously need a bipod though, i cant stand how much it slides around on the rest. i also grabbed a shellholder for it today at basspro. it was a real pisser to get on, but fits perfectly. probably the best $4 i have ever spent

ill get pix up asap. im about to eat dinner so ill get them up around 7 or 8 tonight.

Kodachrome
12-06-2011, 7:11 PM
Congrats!
I have a PSS in 308. You going to Lassen Gunsmithing school?
Best Wishes.

spencerk
12-06-2011, 11:21 PM
Yes i will be attending lassen gunsmithing school this coming august for my first year.. its my dream to be a master gunsmith someday...

heres a couple pix of the new rifle!!!!
http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w163/kingfisherkohl/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_4894.jpg

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w163/kingfisherkohl/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_6079.jpg

spencerk
12-07-2011, 7:10 PM
i took another picture at the range today. kind of a last minute decision to go. only shot off 20 rounds but the accurracy was awsome. had another 5 shot sub moa grouping, then my excitement got the best of me and i started shooting all over the place. im still zeroing it in though, so i cant wait to see how well it shoots once my scope is nice and perfectt. lol

i love what this rifle looks like. i never see any like it at the range, but thats probably because they are all out being used to hunt... i love what it looks like with the shellholder.

now all i need is a bipod... im sliding all over the shooting blocks.

o and heres the pic :D

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w163/kingfisherkohl/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_6869.jpg

spencerk
12-11-2011, 5:46 PM
Hey everybody! Went to the range friday and had a really good expierence with some very unexpected results from the rile after I got the scope almost completely zeroed in. I had a couple of insane three shot groupings that really showed my skill i feel like. Especially since it was a windy day with gusts around 10 mph on friday.
A fellow calgunner that I met at the range witnessed a few of these groupings. he even let me shoot his mini 14 and the lady he was with let me shoot their mossberg 4x4 30-06, and i even helpe them get it shooting on the paper.

enough of the fun though, heres the suprizing results i had from my remington 700 adl. oh btw, i havnt cleaned it yet and the groupings only got better after every try. maybe it was just me....

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w163/kingfisherkohl/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_1884.jpg

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w163/kingfisherkohl/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_0894.jpg

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w163/kingfisherkohl/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_7228.jpg

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w163/kingfisherkohl/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_2579.jpg

man do i loooove that rifle. I think the pictures of the groupings speak for themselves... one is 3 consecutive and one is 4 consecutive. when the wind would pick up i would let it cool my barrel off. (seemed like it took less time to cool)

btw i do know shooting without cleaning can be bad for the rifle. i have since cleaned it and inspected everything and the bore looks perfect and everything else is exactly the way it should be.

spencerk
12-11-2011, 10:38 PM
any opinions on what i should do to it next? im thinking about chopping off 2-4" of barrel and threading it for a muzzlebreak to reduce muzzlejump.

Flouncer
12-12-2011, 4:05 AM
.243 shouldn't need a muzzle break....... I think you will find that it "jumps" more off a bipod than from a rest. Watch, try to observe how the gun reacts to recoil when shooting. Some movement when on the rest is good. The weapon has to react, it can go back, up, or a combo of both.

Post up the Mauser pics !!!

Congrats on the new rifle and I am sure you are looking forward to the Lassen school. If I may ask, are you local to Susanville or are you going to stay up there for a few weeks ?

spencerk
12-12-2011, 12:36 PM
I am currently living in the bay area but the Gunsmithing program at lassen is a 2 year program so thats how long i will be up there... at least...

Heres a link to my mauser thread... its dead at the moment, but in a few months, i will begin work on the .45 acp conversion.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=498054


btw i dont remember even mentioning the mauser in this thread lol. but hey, i gta respect a guy who loves guns. lol.

Im looking at my 700 and i just noticed something disturbing but quite funny... the bore in my barrel is off center but the rifle is shooting like its $500 more expensive than it was. LOL. the looks might be a peeve of mine, but it shoots so well i could care less. btw Will chopping off some barrel length help fix that? it looks like when the barrel was put onto a lathe it wasnt done completely straight but it looks like it is further down the barrel, about 3 inches or so. should i cut off about 4 inches off barrel and make it 19"-20"? I was thinking it might squeeze a bit more accuracy out of it.

btw just measured some more of my groupings and holy crap i forgot to show you my best grouping apparantly. sadly i pasted it into my "secret" book (My personal firearms journal with my designs, calliber ideas, and firearms related things i think of in my dreams... i know, im obsessed...) so im not really able to take a pic of it. but it was a .15 MOA 3 shot consecutive group.

Retzius
12-12-2011, 12:47 PM
I'm looking at the pictures of the targets you posted an I'm not seeing sub MOA anything... Just rounds all over and you picking some all over that are kinda close.

I'm not being a jerk. I love your enthusiasm! Just being honest but I doubt you or your rifle are shooting sub quarter inch groups out the box.

Do me a favor, go to the range again but shoot ONLY three shots at each target and re-post em.

Prove me wrong and I'll send you all my guns to work on :)

Good luck!

BAGunner
12-12-2011, 12:55 PM
5-shot group is more convincing to be honest.

spencerk
12-12-2011, 1:09 PM
thats what i normally do, it was just windy enough that it made it hard to time my shots correctly so whenever the wind picked up and took a bullet away i stopped counting. if it was a more consistant day for wind i would have done 5 shot groups. next time hopefully. And i do understand why 5 shot is better for judging than 3 shot. less luck is involved.

ill be taking it out again this week, probably more than once, to see how well its shooting after a good cleaning.

spencerk
12-12-2011, 1:27 PM
I'm looking at the pictures of the targets you posted an I'm not seeing sub MOA anything... Just rounds all over and you picking some all over that are kinda close.

I'm not being a jerk. I love your enthusiasm! Just being honest but I doubt you or your rifle are shooting sub quarter inch groups out the box.

Do me a favor, go to the range again but shoot ONLY three shots at each target and re-post em.

Prove me wrong and I'll send you all my guns to work on :)

Good luck!

If u read the whole thread, you would have read that i was still zeroing it in. I was also low on targets. but i do get what you mean. All groupings were shot and counted concecutivly.

I was also letting other people shoot my rifle at my target who havnt even shot that calliber before. and how is a .17 in consecutive grouping not sub MOA? (legitimate question, not sarcasam). is it just because its not 5 shots? my largest consecutive grouping was .5 in.

i did NOT just shoot a bunch of rounds and pick the best groups. i counted every hole every time i shot and made a mental note of where each one was hitting. even the people who watched were suprized by the rifles accuracy.

Flouncer
12-12-2011, 3:57 PM
So you are going to college .. .. Moving to Susanville, Ca to attend the Mt Lassen Gunsmith school. Excellent !! Stay in touch here. :)

jtv3062
12-12-2011, 3:59 PM
You'll learn in gunsmith school that the bore is not and cannot be drilled concentric with a rifle barrel.

A good way to measure groups is to measure outside to outside of the furthest bullet holes. Then subtract the diameter of the bullet. Measuring 5 round group or larger is better to determine accuracy of the rifle.

spencerk
12-12-2011, 4:34 PM
Thats the way i measured it then i set the calliper to the actual size. i looked for a formula online thinking it was more complicated than it is lol. But seriously, 3 groups all under an inch (some under .5") shot with a consistant 2-3 mph wind with gusts up to 10mph isnt sub-MOA? (im a seasoned offshore fisherman, i am VERY good at estimating wind speed and where its coming from because i fish in small boats and NEED to be goot at it)

Even Averaged together its less than an inch. those were the only groupings i completed (due to random gusts of wind i was usually stopped on the second shot) with a 3 round minimum baseline. i only tried 5 times and twice the wind gusted while i was attempting to pull the trigger to my heartbeat (not good at it yet. still learning to time it). each time i shot durring a gust. it would fly left and a little up or a little down depending on the speed. the larger group actually is an effect of me adjusting for windage and elevation with a scope for the first time. i messed up on the fifth shot because i twisted the windage knob the wrong way and shot wayyyyy to the right on the other side of the diamond about an inch away. operator error with my scope. if i dialed it correctly i believe i would have kept the same size grouping, but nobody, not even I, will ever know. thats why i called that one a four round grouping. add that in and its still around 1.5-7 moa if i believe. ive already chopped up the target for my range book so measuring is out of the question. 1.5 moa is still respectable in my opinion. good enough to hunt a deer with this calliber. so if you wanna call it 1.5 moa this time, go ahead, but im gonna just keep my confidence up and call it SUB MOA so i can feel good. lol. jk. but seriously i still think its sub moa. and so do a couple witnesses. Ive been shooting for a pretty long time (in terms of hours put into shooting. ive probably shot around 50-75k rounds in a matter of 12 years, most being shot in the last 4) And im still improving. ill prove it in the next few times i go to the range. i will be dialing in my scope a little better so im going to try and bring more targets if cash allows. a dollar a bullet isnt exactly cheap. lol.

anyways i love constructive criticizm (not even kidding, i love improving, especially my shooting) so hit me with what you got. lol ESPECIALLY on ideas for the rifle, like shortening the barrel by 4 inches specifically?

Retzius
12-12-2011, 5:00 PM
I have no doubt you're a sub MOA shooter and a seasoned offshore fisherman with elite wind estimation skills.

I was just saying that the target you posted as proof of said skills looks like a mess.

My apologies for doubting you.

spencerk
12-12-2011, 5:09 PM
I have no doubt you're a sub MOA shooter and a seasoned offshore fisherman with elite wind estimation skills.

I was just saying that the target you posted as proof of said skills looks like a mess.

My apologies for doubting you.

and my apologies for sounding like an ***. I just like to explain things, maybe overexplain. lol

and i do agree with you about my target looking like a mess. i actually covered up about 10 holes on my target, the center of which resembled cheese, swiss cheese. lol. i had no idea the scope adjustments were so finite. it took me a while to figure out 4 clicks equal one inch. i recently tore my cornea on a christmas tree (long story, not even gonna get into it lol) and i couldnt even read the little adjustments until i put one hand over that eye and saw 1/4" adjustments... i thought each click would be 1 inch for some reason (dont even ask, i was havin a bad day to say the least lol).

thank god my shooting eye didnt get hit by the flying christmas tree branches... damn i woulda been SO PISSED. especially since it was my fault.

lookie there another example of me overexplaining... lol

Retzius
12-12-2011, 5:16 PM
Since you are a sub MOA shooter, a seasoned offshore fisherman, have 75,000 rounds of shooting experience, and can time shots between heart beats, I don't know how much we can help you here.

It would be like yoda asking his students for light saber advice.

spencerk
12-12-2011, 6:09 PM
there are things i do need help with such as controlling heart rate and slowing it down to make shooting easier. i have add so i have no idea how to do it but ironically, shooting and anything relating to firearms are the things that make me hyperfocused just from chemical reactions in my brain. this also excites my heart and makes it beat a bit faster (not dangerously tho, just enough to make timing heartbeats almost impossible) i also have nerve damage from a fight in chico. another long story i really dont want to get into. left me with some static tremors. when im moving i dont have them, but when im still i shake. go figure. lol.

i like your analogy btw, but im far from yoda. i just have expierence. i learned about holding my breath for shooting from a 5 year old when i was about 12 or 13. no joke. to this day that kid scares me. lol. but seriously you would be suprized how much there always is to learn. everyday i spend at least an hour studying shooting texts and firearms tech and about every 5-10 minutes i learn something new. In the last year ive done this every night (no joke, even on my iphone in alaska) and im still learning new stuff every day.

my point being, its always good to keep an open mind when it comes to learning, even if the person trying to teach you something doesnt know as much about the subject as you do, because he might know one thing you didnt know and that one thing could improve something you do in some way.

even yoda had that mindset when anikin skywalker (sp?) was eventually allowed into the jedi order. it may have been reluctantly, but it was because he knew he, and everybody else, would learn something, good or bad.

sorry had to use the starwars analogy. it made me realize how much of a closet starwars geek i really am. lol. best movie i saw other than ferris bueller durring my childhood.


back to the point. im hear to learn and hopefully contribute knowlege. but since i am young and have much less expierence that probably a quarter (maybe more, i really have no idea) of the calgunners on here i feel there is much more i can learn. one of the best shooters i have ever met was 80 years old and in a wheelchair and shook like the loma vista earthquake of 94 until you put a rifle in his hand, then he turns into a statue and goes back to whatever wars he was in and makes it look like he only did one grouping. he just shoots the bullets through the same hole until the rifle is so dirty that the hole is over 2 inches wide. that man had more life in him than anyone i have ever seen.

Don29palms
12-12-2011, 6:33 PM
Here ya go. 5 shots 200yds .308 handloads

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg164/don29palms/IMG_20110728_184825.jpg

Retzius
12-12-2011, 7:15 PM
Spencer, I would love to hear about the breath holding technique for shooting you learned from a five year old. How can I do this?

How did you get nerve damage from a fight in Chico and still shoot so good?

Do tell.

spencerk
12-12-2011, 7:18 PM
Jeez. Now thats something to be happy about. I cant wait to start handloading to get the most out of my rifle. I need to find some ranges farther than 100 yards. Up in susanville though, i will have access to the high desert for shooting long distance (500+ yards).

I cant wait for gunsmithing school!!!

spencerk
12-12-2011, 7:35 PM
Spencer, I would love to hear about the breath holding technique for shooting you learned from a five year old. How can I do this?

How did you get nerve damage from a fight in Chico and still shoot so good?

Do tell.

One of my cousines lives on a ranch with my aunt and uncle and at the time i did not know that holding your breath helps accuracty. he simply proved to me that it did. mind you i was 12 or 13 at the time and he probably shot more than i did at the time. his father, my uncle, is x military and a crack shot to say the least.

i dont shake to the point where im spilling water. but i shake enough that it affects my accuracy at higher distances. i was hit in the back of the head with a longboard (skateboard for people who dont know) and had an untreated concussion. i woke up two days later in my dorm and my roommate hadnt thought anything of it. i felt shakey and uncoordinated for a week then went to the doc and found out i had a concussion and that i was going to have tremors for the rest of my life. my bipolar meds are actually just siezure meds (im hypomanic so i dont really get depressed, just really energetic, not to be mistaken for adhd) and in turn, they lessen my tremors enough that i can be dexterious even with the minor shaking that ocurrs.
i also find that keeping a light touch on the trigger while using my left arm to push the stock steadily (not forcefully) into my shoulder produces good results with the smaller callibers. i have static tremors so when i engage a muscle group, they go away temporarily until i begin to fatigue, then they get worse. i bet if u had tremors you would find a way around them. they suck but are manageable.

Ive been through a lot of crap in my life, enough to know that if you want to do something, you can, you just have to break down the barriers holding you back.

btw my energy and love for firearms comes from me being bipolar, not in a bad way, i just know how to channel that energy into something useful, like focusing on filing small parts to make them fit percisly. im Hypomanic, not Manic depressive, so i dont get the oh my life sux so bad im gonna kill myself **** everybody worries about. i dont have temper problems, i dont have social issues, just random bursts of energy that make me loose focus on most things, minus working with my hands, which it makes me excell at and i believe started my drive to be a gunsmith. who in their right mind spends 56 hours awake to go REGISTER for school? ive never seen that before until i met those people at lassen. we all had one thing in common, the drive to better ourselves and get into school. (so actually not that crazy, just determined). thats just an example of how it actually aids me and how ive learned to make it work in my favor, instead of against me like it did so much of my life (i am also labeled as add because of how many tangents i go off on, its just me being excited about this stuff) every day i wake up thinking "I cant wait for Lassen"

spencerk
12-12-2011, 8:01 PM
Someone needs to watch this post!!!

And by that you mean???

jtv3062
12-12-2011, 8:03 PM
Mattt what happend to your other post? I got an email of your post but don't see it here. And your right.

BAGunner
12-12-2011, 8:04 PM
:popcorn:

Retzius
12-12-2011, 8:29 PM
Spencer I just read your post in the gun smithing section.. Were you really attacked by a cougar?

"anyways, on the way back on the side of highway 36, i was attacked by a cougar while finishing taking a dump and managed to get out untouched, but injured from how high of embankments i had to jump off of with no reguard to the other side of my well being and now have stress fractures in my left patella. i ran about an eighth of a mile to the car. my mom was there letting the dog go to the bathroom and i screamed to get her in the car and she did when she saw me running with my sweatshirt unzipped and stretched out like a cape. she said i ran faster than shes ever seen and holy crap do i believe it. i dove in the car with purpose. as we drove away honking i saw it pawing around a bush like it was hiding, the way it looked before it pounced at me."

Damn bro... That's crazy... Do tell.

17+1
12-12-2011, 8:50 PM
Spencer, I would love to hear about the breath holding technique for shooting you learned from a five year old. How can I do this?

How did you get nerve damage from a fight in Chico and still shoot so good?

Do tell.

I like you.

You should come shoot with us in Sac. You'd fit right in. ;)

spencerk
12-12-2011, 8:56 PM
yes i seriously was. and before anybody flames me for doing the wrong thing, here were the circumstances. off of highway 36 at one of the campgrounds (dont know which one specifically) My mom and i stopped to go to the bathroom and let the dog out for a bit for the ride home. i went up the hill because i was in view of my mom for hella far and finally found a big enough bush to go behind about an eighth of the mile up the hill (that was my first mistake). when i was taking a dump i looked down and noticed a track and low and behold it was a pretty good sized cougar track (ive seen a ton of tracks in the wild, but never the animal accompanying it so i wasnt that worried). I though oh cool i wanna take a picture but while i was trying to i heard something move behind me up the hill and right when i turned to face it it jumped, so i had no chance to make noise or get big, i dove to the side and it overshot me and kept running because i started screaming and flying down the hill as fast as possible while unzipping my sweatshirt to make myself bigger to give me some chance of hindering it and i noticed there was an embankment infront of me so i just went for it and jumped as far as i could and sadly stuck the landing too hard and hurt my knee (i didnt know at the time) and kept going as if nothing happened and thankfully that was enough to make it double back and go around. i was putting as many trees and bushes inbetween me and it as i could and by the time it had caught back up from circling around i was screaming at my mom to get the dog in the car (she is a little hard of hearing i think because she didnt hear my initial screams, but she was wondering why the dog crapped herself in the car and kept peeing and shaking...) and jumed straight in the car and climed into the passenger seat. while she started up the car, i saw it move from one tree to another and then as we drove away i saw it crouching behind a bush right before it darted away from the honking... i was terrified but so happy to have all my body parts in tact for the most part. the final injures are not yet confirmed but the confirmed injury is stress fractures to my patella, much like in shin splints, an inoperable problem that just hurts like hell. and im getting scoped by my surgen soon to see whats wrong with my right knee. ive had surgery on it before so my doc is convinced something is wrong with it with how much pain im in. but its not enough to keep me from the range, to be completely honest, its forcing me to go to the range more because of how bored i am with not being able to hike and go fishing and whatnot. when i take my dads pistols ill easily go through somewhere around 500 rounds a session. (granted its 9 mil and cheap as hell compared to .243).

my mom told me she reported it so i didnt bother, but we never heard back.

NO BS im still too paranoid to even go into the open space in the east bay... i used to take daily hikes there up until then... I even know theres not that many cougars there but it still gets to me.

spencerk
12-15-2011, 4:47 PM
Here is another range report similar to the one i recently posted. I went to USI today and shot a box of 20 rounds off of winchester superX while i was there. I achieved a largest 3 shot grouping of .9", a .8" grouping, and a .4-.5" grouping. here are all the pix. MUCH neater than my last target and ALL groupings were shot consecutivly until the wind would creat a flyer. Ironically the smallest grouping was actually a 4 shot consecutive grouping. the far upper left grouping got torn in the middle, its just 2 shots even though it looks like three so discount that. the wind picked up the third shot about 2"

BTW i believe the winds were around 15 mph +/- ~3 mph but i havnt checked the weather yet so yeah.

Again i had to sight it in a bit so those random shots at the top arent really a show of my accuracy.

heres the pix:

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w163/kingfisherkohl/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_8386.jpg

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w163/kingfisherkohl/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_7822.jpg

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w163/kingfisherkohl/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_2427.jpg

And heres the 4 shot grouping im fairly proud of, at least for the wind conditions:

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w163/kingfisherkohl/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_2484.jpg

BTW those were my last four rounds from my box of ammo. if i had one more i would have done a five shot group but i miscounted my spent shells and assumed because there was 15 spent shells in the box that i had five rounds left... there was a spent one on the ground that i didnt catch so yeah... Still, im very proud of the rifle. its handling beautifully. The only thing thats bugging me is how the end of the barrel was machined a little off. it makes it look like the bore is misaligned when its not. im going to remove ~4" of barrel to get it out and hopefully reduce the difference in barrel harmonics. i know its probably not going to do much but i bet at longer distances it would make a bigger difference. I was thinking about trying to do a recessed crown and porting the front 1" of the barrel to act as an integrated muzzlebreak to reduce the muzzlerise, as there is not much actual kick to speak of.

Lemme know what you think.

spencerk
12-16-2011, 3:49 PM
In order listed: .9", .6", .4".

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w163/kingfisherkohl/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_5839.jpg

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w163/kingfisherkohl/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_8707.jpg

My favorite grouping of the day. First 5 shots (consecutive) out of the rifle today:
http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w163/kingfisherkohl/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_6537.jpg

And heres a couple 3 shot groupings. Btw ALL were shot consecutively:

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w163/kingfisherkohl/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_5207.jpg

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w163/kingfisherkohl/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_7949.jpg

Up to 7-10 mpg gusts of wind. 1-3 consistant gusts. Prvi Partizan 90gr soft points.

Lemme know what you think!

Retzius
12-16-2011, 4:05 PM
It doesn't count if you cover half the holes with round black stickers ;)

spencerk
12-16-2011, 4:12 PM
It doesn't count if you cover half the holes with round black stickers ;)

I covered them on the range durring the cese fire so i wouldnt loose my grouping. Those were the last two targets i had and im not going to spend all my money on targets when ammo is damn near $20 a box. Think what you want but that 5 shot grouping is exactly what i said it is.

Another reason there are holes everywhere, i aimed at different parts of the same target to save money.

glocksmith
12-16-2011, 4:22 PM
I have no doubt you're a sub MOA shooter and a seasoned offshore fisherman with elite wind estimation skills.

I was just saying that the target you posted as proof of said skills looks like a mess.

My apologies for doubting you.

lol

spencerk
12-16-2011, 7:27 PM
BTW im still learning how to ADJUST for wind speed. i can judge it, but i cant adjust for it very well. Anybody know of any good charts that tell you how many MOA to adjust for a givin wind speed at a given distance? the one i tried today didnt really work for me at all and i checked the weather on my phone to make sure it wasnt JUST me (I know it is mostly), but it wasnt just me. my chart was a little off because the one i found via my phone got me the final 3 round grouping of the day before i made an adjustment and it threw my shot off completely. NEXT TIME (hopefully tomorrow if i have enough money for ammo AND targets) ill get my groupings on fresh targets, so ill buy cheaper ones and have more of them. Im having knee surgery on tuesday so i might only get 2 more range sessions in before im bed ridden for a week or two.

Planning on cutting and crowining the barrel to 19.5" (recessed crown about 1/2" so i can eventually drill in holes for a built in muzzlebrak) then im going to throw on a cheapo UTG aluminum bi pod so i can see how long they have come since i was using their craptastic airsoft guns. lol. I saw a guy using one at the range today on his AR variant (dont know which one) and said it worked great, and had the groupings to prove it. He said it was $30 bucks, so i figured if it lasts only 30 sessions, it will still be worth it to me because i can just save up for a better one in that time.

Anybody put a Boyds onto their 700? Im really interested in their varmint thumbhole stock and would love to see some better pix of them. Was there any increase in stability with this stock (when aiming)?

spencerk
12-17-2011, 6:55 PM
Just got back from another range outing. today was more of a "blow off some steam day" so i only even attempted 3 groupings. my final five shots were aimed at the center target and all landed in ~1.2". mind you thats also me forgetting to take my "anti seizure" (they help me control my tremors) meds. i had 2 other random consecutive 3 shot groupings that i werent actually attempting to group, i just aimed at the same place and pulled. both groupings were shot consecutivly after eachother. seems like the rifle is finally breaking in. sorry, i chopped the target at the range and forgot to save the whole thing, just the groups. heres the groups (y'all dont have to believe im that good of a shooter, Just entertain my questions. this thread isnt as much for all of you as it is for documenting my rifle and how it progresses so i have something to look at for reference in the future other than my range book.

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w163/kingfisherkohl/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_6132.jpg

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w163/kingfisherkohl/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_8583.jpg

and im fairly proud of this grouping because they were my last 5 shots plus i didnt have any tremor control other than myself and i feel i did pretty well for that today. even my friend who i brought was pretty impressed with how much it looked like my rifle was "vibrating" as he described it. lol

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w163/kingfisherkohl/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_0273.jpg

I have to say, Im really loving this new rifle, and in my opinion, its one of the best I have personally handled, saying it is bone stock except for the scope. I think the stock has got to go though; It's a little uncomfortable and EXTREMELY hard to control with my tremors. I really think a thumbhole would give me the extra stability that im looking for. Any thoughs on that?

spencerk
12-29-2011, 6:29 PM
so i made a trip to USI to see how my knee was doing after my surgery and its healed! anywho the important art of today was my accurracy. i kept almost all 20 rounds from a box of .243 prvi partizan ammo in my target area. heres a pic:

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w163/kingfisherkohl/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_8825.jpg

and heres a measurement of the part that was a 10 shot group with only 2 fliers not counted (the shots to the direct left of the measured grouping arent a consecutive group, 2 of those are fliers and one was shot when not aiming at the target area, i had to reset my scope with how much wind there was last time time i used it) :

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w163/kingfisherkohl/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_3746.jpg

lemme know what you think!

17+1
12-30-2011, 3:53 AM
Above target looks more realistic for ammo/rifle combination. Minus the one out left, it looks pretty good!

Now, your next step is saving all that pretty .243 brass for when you start reloading. ;)

spencerk
12-30-2011, 4:32 AM
Thanks! Wayyy ahead of you on saving brass i have 200 out of the 240 rounds i have put through this rifle saved in their little holders without packaging neatly in a little box under my bed. Im trying to make sure i keep all of the different brands seperate, especially prvi partizans. They use a smaller diameter primer than the winchesters and remingtons i have used.

Speaking of which those prvi partizans are looking pretty damn accurate fpr $13 a box. Better consistancy than the remington ammo i used. I wont count the winchester because i only tried jhp's with those in one weight.

Still have a humdred more PP's to go thrpugh before i get to switch it up and try a different weight round. I REALLY want to try some fmj's out of the 700 for some reason i feel my results will be more consistant.

I also got my heartbeat timing down durring the last 3 or 4 shpts at the range today. Figured out that when im shooting my heart rate is around 60bpm and my trigger pull is slow so if i count 4 beats for one cycle i figured i would do six cycles of listening to my heartbeat before shots and on the seventh cycle i would begin to pull my trigger a
Halfway through the second beat and it would shoot betwwen the 7th and 8th beat cycle.
If any of you could follow that i applaud you. Lol it took me a VERY long time to get this down and i had to re-learn it for this rifles trigger.

Not evwn the fairly noticeavle barrel flaw on my rifle seems to be affecting my accuracy.

realmswalker
12-30-2011, 5:19 AM
i'm waiting for the wheelbarrow and trauma plates. Gecko is this you?

17+1
12-30-2011, 5:40 AM
Thanks! Wayyy ahead of you on saving brass i have 200 out of the 240 rounds i have put through this rifle saved in their little holders without packaging neatly in a little box under my bed. Im trying to make sure i keep all of the different brands seperate, especially prvi partizans. They use a smaller diameter primer than the winchesters and remingtons i have used.

Speaking of which those prvi partizans are looking pretty damn accurate fpr $13 a box. Better consistancy than the remington ammo i used. I wont count the winchester because i only tried jhp's with those in one weight.

Still have a humdred more PP's to go thrpugh before i get to switch it up and try a different weight round. I REALLY want to try some fmj's out of the 700 for some reason i feel my results will be more consistant.

I also got my heartbeat timing down durring the last 3 or 4 shpts at the range today. Figured out that when im shooting my heart rate is around 60bpm and my trigger pull is slow so if i count 4 beats for one cycle i figured i would do six cycles of listening to my heartbeat before shots and on the seventh cycle i would begin to pull my trigger a
Halfway through the second beat and it would shoot betwwen the 7th and 8th beat cycle.
If any of you could follow that i applaud you. Lol it took me a VERY long time to get this down and i had to re-learn it for this rifles trigger.

Not evwn the fairly noticeavle barrel flaw on my rifle seems to be affecting my accuracy.

The Prvi 7mm Mauser I have shot and reloaded uses large rifle primers. 243 should use standard large rifle type, just like 308. If anything, Prvi brass has slightly deeper pockets than Lake City.

I like Prvi as well for price and quality. When I buy a gun chambered in a caliber I don't load for, I typically buy some Prvi just to get shooting, save the brass and reload it later. It's decent brass, from my experience.

tmuller
12-30-2011, 9:24 AM
i'm waiting for the wheelbarrow and trauma plates. Gecko is this you?

I was thinking the same thing...this is an exceptional thread. Thanks spencerk and Retzius!!

spencerk
12-30-2011, 3:01 PM
who is Gecko? lol.

i just measured the primer spaces on the brass. winchester is 1 hundreth of an inch larger than the prvi's. probably not enough to warrent different primers.

Im thinking about painting part of my stock on the R700, just the grip cutouts on the forend and handgrip. i was thinking of going with a brown or OD green but i cant decide.

Manpants
12-30-2011, 3:21 PM
who is Gecko? lol.

i just measured the primer spaces on the brass. winchester is 1 hundreth of an inch larger than the prvi's. probably not enough to warrent different primers.

Im thinking about painting part of my stock on the R700, just the grip cutouts on the forend and handgrip. i was thinking of going with a brown or OD green but i cant decide.

I think you should paint racing stripes on it and add some chrome.

spencerk
12-30-2011, 3:34 PM
the reason i wanted to go with brown is because of all the fallen trees i seem to find myself shooting off of when i hunt so my thought was it might be a good place to put some brown to make the part that rests on the tree blend in more.

Manpants:
I like your sig. it made me lol

Manpants
12-30-2011, 3:43 PM
Brown is an amazing color my friend. Reminds me of bears. I do love me some bears. I am glad you like my sig. I may have it trademarked.

spencerk
12-30-2011, 3:58 PM
Btw im still confused, whi is gecko? And why the whewlbarrows and trauma plates? You mean long range at steel plates?

skkeeter
12-30-2011, 4:30 PM
It's because your threads are becoming a source of entertainment for some.

spencerk
12-30-2011, 4:53 PM
Lol well thats funny

jtv3062
12-30-2011, 6:33 PM
Google gecko45

spencerk
12-30-2011, 7:37 PM
just did. lol. wow...

spencerk
01-21-2012, 4:23 PM
got a new bipod for the 700 today at the cow palace! heres a pic:

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w163/kingfisherkohl/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_4854.jpg

21SF
01-21-2012, 5:40 PM
I'm not sure if that one is long enough, maybe you should tape some pens to the ends to extend it.

spencerk
01-21-2012, 5:53 PM
lol good one. I didnt know what size would be good and i had no idea if my eight would play any part so i just went the safe route and got the full sized bipod. Its actually quite comfy in both positions on the ground. It also helped me get the cant out of my rifle scope. for 30 bucks, it was more than worth it. i really cant wait to try it out

spencerk
01-26-2012, 12:57 PM
Got a new pic of the Remmy:

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w163/kingfisherkohl/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_4298.jpg

SmellOfCordite
01-26-2012, 1:20 PM
Ibtl:lurk5:

spencerk
01-26-2012, 1:27 PM
that was very informative... lots of helpful/interesting info there...

spencerk
02-08-2012, 8:13 PM
so i decided i needed to give my stock a new look today and taped it up and threw on a few layers of krylon camo brown paint:

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w163/kingfisherkohl/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_9208.jpg

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w163/kingfisherkohl/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_4644.jpg

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w163/kingfisherkohl/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_1558.jpg

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w163/kingfisherkohl/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_2839.jpg

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w163/kingfisherkohl/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_9926.jpg

Lemme know what you think

spencerk
02-23-2012, 2:41 PM
Took the remington to sac valley and shot it at 800, 900, and 1000 yards. click on my mossberg 817 review for more info. using factory grade ammunition i was hitting the target at 800-900 every time and 1000 6 or 7 out of 10 times in the target area, and about 8 out of 10 times in the ttarget itsself and a miss here or there while sighting in the elevation.

also, theres a big suprize in there for all of you. i shot a .17hmr at 800 yards and made connection with the target on the 15th shot after trying to figure out holdover and dope. If any of you know the name Jerry Tierney, then youll love whats in the 817 thread. He was my witness for my 800 yard .17 hmr shot and he coached me through most of it and was able to get me on paper with my .243 that is completely inadequate for shooting long range. He is my idol and I learnd more from him about wind doping than anyone else. he is in my opinion one of the worlds best shooters. he uses iron sights at 1000 yards for god sakes in f class shooting

jtv3062
02-23-2012, 5:53 PM
Thats some good shooting Spencer. Why do you say the .243 is not suitable for long range?

spencerk
02-23-2012, 6:28 PM
No im saying MY .243. Isnt suitable for long range with its flawed barrel an impropor teist rate for those extreme ranges. Nosler custom ammo was tubling at 800 yards.

wooger
02-23-2012, 7:01 PM
No one uses iron sights in F class, Jerry was probably shooting his Palma rifle.

jtv3062
02-23-2012, 7:06 PM
Oh, what twist is your barrel and what grain bullet was the Noslers? The rifle twist will tell what grain bullet to use.

spencerk
02-23-2012, 7:15 PM
Ahh i was wondering... Lol. It was really cool being able to hit targets side by side with tthe pros. They said i looked like i actually knew what i was doing which nade me feel great. Jerry said with enough practice i could probably get on a shooting team.

spencerk
02-23-2012, 7:21 PM
I think either a 1 in 9 or a 1 in 12. I gta check again. Its a bone stock r700 minus the brown paint i added.

mattt
02-23-2012, 7:29 PM
Great Now I have to worry about crazy poeple at the sac matches!

jtv3062
02-23-2012, 7:35 PM
Go to Remingtons web site and look up your model and caliber and it will tell you what twist you have. Slower the twist the lighter the bullet, slower the twist the more heavy the bullet you can use. Think either you twist was to slow for a light bullet or your bullet went subsonic.

If I'm wrong somebody will correct me.

spencerk
02-23-2012, 7:54 PM
Haha dont worry im srill a wayyys offff.... Lol.

TKM
02-23-2012, 8:03 PM
I don't think Spencer is ready to be sitting at the grown ups table.

spencerk
02-23-2012, 8:55 PM
The remington was a gift for xmas and my mossberg 817 is all me, minus the scope which was a gift. I dont shoot the 700 as much due to ammo costs.

And im sorry, but i dont ever remember you witnessing me shoot any firearm ever. Jerry tierny and the rest of the palma team was comfortable having me shoot along side them.

Im more safety oriented with shooting than most people i have ever met.

And i never once hit another persons target, and i STARTED at 800 yards and was keeping up with the grown ups.

Call me crazy but im gonna listen tothe pros rather a bunch of people sitting behind a keyboard who have never seen me shoot.

tonyxcom
02-23-2012, 9:06 PM
Do you have any pictures of yourself shooting?

spencerk
02-23-2012, 9:23 PM
Yea just click on the mossberg 817 review like i already stated

skkeeter
02-23-2012, 10:10 PM
I think either a 1 in 9 or a 1 in 12. I gta check again. Its a bone stock r700 minus the brown paint i added.

The brown paint you added is good for another 2-300y easy. That suckers not bone stock at all anymore........With a good paint job, it's almost the same as cheating:eek:

chickenfried
02-24-2012, 10:21 AM
When spencerk starts reloading it's going to be legen..............dairy.

spencerk
02-24-2012, 3:57 PM
ok so i made the decision today that i am going to convert my R700 to .17 Rem fireall. I LOVE its ballistics and found that the 25 gr V-max has a BC of .230.. the highest out of any .17 cal. My dream of being the first to use a .17 centerfire for competition may not be so far off...

jtv3062
02-24-2012, 5:14 PM
How far do you plan on pushing that little .17?

Pthfndr
02-24-2012, 6:24 PM
Congratulations on getting out there and not being an armchair commando :)

Jerry and the Palma crew are good people, and some of the best long range shooters in the country. You couldn't ask for a friendlier more helpful person than Jerry.

Now you need to come shoot in the matches.

spencerk
02-24-2012, 11:21 PM
Thanks I wish to do just that!

I plan on taking the little .17 cal all the way out to 1000 and if the right ammunition is produced, maybe even further. Or i could just make my own wildcat just for the sake of getting a .17 out that far.

Pthfndr
02-25-2012, 6:46 PM
Thanks I wish to do just that!

The NCPPRC - tactical long range - has a scheduled practice next Saturday. It's open to anyone who shows up. They start at 200 yards and work their way back to 1000. Bring your rifle out and have some more fun.

Pay your regular range fee at the public range office, then be in the target pits by 8:30. Sign in with the NCPPRC and pay them their range fee, and help set up targets.

Safety brief will be between 8:30-8:45. Then they start shooting. 2 relays. One shoots the whole way out while the other pulls and marks targets, then they switch off.

I'd advise signing up for first relay to minimize shooting in any wind.

Gatotsu77
02-25-2012, 7:45 PM
Slower the twist the lighter the bullet, faster the twist the more heavy the bullet you can use. Think either you twist was to slow for a light bullet or your bullet went subsonic.

If I'm wrong somebody will correct me.

I've got your back. :)

spencerk
02-26-2012, 2:47 AM
The NCPPRC - tactical long range - has a scheduled practice next Saturday. It's open to anyone who shows up. They start at 200 yards and work their way back to 1000. Bring your rifle out and have some more fun.

Pay your regular range fee at the public range office, then be in the target pits by 8:30. Sign in with the NCPPRC and pay them their range fee, and help set up targets.

Safety brief will be between 8:30-8:45. Then they start shooting. 2 relays. One shoots the whole way out while the other pulls and marks targets, then they switch off.

I'd advise signing up for first relay to minimize shooting in any wind.

Damn i think im going to be busy but hell i going to NEED to to rescheduel if i can. im addicted to long range shooting. i feel like a kid getting a christmas present whenever i land a shot at those distances.

TKM
02-26-2012, 4:14 PM
If Santa had a 7% success rate I wouldn't be all "tell the world" about Christmas.

Can I say "Doofus"? ..



I forget, is "doofus" on the list or do I have to go all George Carlin on little Anikin Oakley here?

Pthfndr
02-26-2012, 4:35 PM
Can I say "Doofus"? ..

Why do you need to say anything at all. The guy is out there shooting, and he's having fun doing it.

skkeeter
02-26-2012, 6:17 PM
Why do you need to say anything at all. The guy is out there shooting, and he's having fun doing it.

Because he generally calls cal gunners "Fools" in his threads. Spencerk is a joke and trolls without even knowing he's doing it.

spencerk
03-25-2012, 4:26 PM
Because he generally calls cal gunners "Fools" in his threads. Spencerk is a joke and trolls without even knowing he's doing it.

seriously... how often do you hear 21 year olds call people fools? Growing up that was pretty much a slang term for bro... :oji:

call me a joke to my face when i graduate gunsmithing school in 2 years... oh wait.... you cant because you dont know me and i dont ever plan on knowing you.

spencerk
03-25-2012, 4:41 PM
If Santa had a 7% success rate I wouldn't be all "tell the world" about Christmas.

Can I say "Doofus"? ..



I forget, is "doofus" on the list or do I have to go all George Carlin on little Anikin Oakley here?


have you ever heard of walking in your shots? fact of the matter is, there was no data anywhere on how to do adjust at those distances so I decided to just take Jerry Tierney's advice and walk the shots in purposly, its called DELIBERATLY missing and then making adjustments based on where the bullet impacted.

and ive given most of the credit to Jerry due to his influence with his master wind doping skills. i never said it was all me or anything of that sort. a 7% success rate would have been if i was attempting to hit the target off the bat... i do not see your logic with that 7% success rate.

if you cant use logic how can you accurratly call someone a doofus... DOOFUS. should i say, doodoopuss?