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KenpoProfessor
02-25-2007, 3:06 AM
Met up with Glen Avon at the range yesterday, and as usual, he brings an assortment of builds, Ak's, SK's and other fun things LOL. Well, he let me shoot his 45/70 lever action and all I can say is DDDDDAAAAAAAAMMMMM, that thing kicks. I thought the Mosins were real men guns 'til I shot this thing, and needless to say, I didn't put a follow up downrange LOL.

Anyone else have the same experience?

Have a great Kenpo day

Clyde

tankerman
02-25-2007, 5:12 AM
45/70's are American, Moisin's are not. My guess is that , yes many folks have shot 45/70 before. Actually I believe that it is the oldest factory produced American round still in production(1873). Believe it or not there is a whole world of rifles out there that are not all black or sold at BIG 5. Maybe you should broaden you horizons a little bit. Millions of Americans have hunted with 45/70's in leverguns and single shots it is American.

KenpoProfessor
02-25-2007, 5:22 AM
45/70's are American, Moisin's are not. My guess is that , yes many folks have shot 45/70 before. Actually I believe that it is the oldest factory produced American round still in production(1873). Believe it or not there is a whole world of rifles out there that are not all black or sold at BIG 5. Maybe you should broaden you horizons a little bit. Millions of Americans have hunted with 45/70's in leverguns and single shots it is American.

Well, all I asked is if they shot a 45/70, didn't need a lecture on what I should be doing or not, I'm not Zumbo. Besides, isn't that what I was doing, broadening my horizons?

Have a great Kenpo day

Clyde

50ae
02-25-2007, 6:12 AM
I agree, I have an 1973 and it kicks like a mule. I just love watching that HUGE case fly out when I throw open trapdoor though!!

cornholio1
02-25-2007, 6:14 AM
I've fired it before too. I am scared of that thing. It really kicks hard. Its a beast.

tujungatoes
02-25-2007, 6:44 AM
Sounds neat, now I gotta get one. My steyr m95 left me happy but still wanting.

What can I say....I like bruisers.

toes

Fjold
02-25-2007, 6:50 AM
I've shot the 45.70 in a contender pistol does that count? Recoil was brisk.

mtnguy
02-25-2007, 6:54 AM
I think the .22lr has the .45/70 beat by about 20 years with regards to production history

scootergmc
02-25-2007, 7:02 AM
I think the .22lr has the .45/70 beat by about 20 years with regards to production history


According to my google-fu:

.22 LR was developed in 1887 by Stevens Arms Corp.
.45-70 was developed in 1865 +/- (but not standardized until 1873).

Edit: And I've said it before, my Marlin 1895GS in .45-70 is my favorite gun to shoot... recoil... Ehhhh!

Wildhawk66
02-25-2007, 8:01 AM
I think the price of 45/70 shells hurts more than the recoil. Haven't hunted with it yet, but it is one of the most fun rounds to shoot on a tin can range. There's nothing like hitting a gallon jug of water and watching it essentially blow-up and fly 20ft in the air. :D

sjpd
02-25-2007, 8:36 AM
Try shooting Hornady rounds out of a 10" 45/70 BFR. +1 on the fun factor...the only bad thing is I can't shoot it at any indoor range here in the bayarea.

M. Sage
02-25-2007, 8:45 AM
Man, I keep trying to tell people that Mosins don't really kick hard... Now maybe I've got someone who believes me!

Haven't shot a .45-70, but want to. Hell, I don't just want to shoot one, I want to own one or two. The Shiloh Sharps rifle looks like a lot of fun, and so does the Marlin 1895G. They're a couple I'd like to add someday.

ivanimal
02-25-2007, 8:57 AM
Try factory loads or 300 grain loaded to the lighter end. That is what I use on squirell. I call these pink mist loads.:D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/ivanimal/4570003-1.jpg

It it important to use hollow points when going for squirrell.

Also I have never shot anything with a 45-70 that did not go down, no chasing anything.

-hanko
02-25-2007, 9:16 AM
Well, he let me shoot his 45/70 lever action and all I can say is DDDDDAAAAAAAAMMMMM, that thing kicks. I thought the Mosins were real men guns 'til I shot this thing, and needless to say, I didn't put a follow up downrange LOL.
Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. I'd expect more recoil; you're shooting a heavier bullet. Whatever's downrange will also see the difference between a Moisin & a 45/70.

This one time in band camp...:rolleyes:

-hanko

Gunsrruss
02-25-2007, 10:03 AM
The guide gun is way to light for 45/70. I wanted one in the worst way until I shot it:eek: A friend of mine let me shoot his. After ten rounds I had decided that I would rather go to the dentist than shoot that thing again:( It was just to light for the round. The sharps is a much heavier rifle, and at two or three thousand dollars is just right for 45/70. I think the 1895 would probably be alright also if the wood is actually wood and not plastic.;)

huskydog
02-25-2007, 10:42 AM
I never shot the 45-70 in a guide gun but it must kick good. Shot it in the sharps and she ain't to bad but after a while she gets to you.

Here's the 45-70 520gr and the 50-90 650gr. now this one gets to me:D
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c95/rmoore_/IMG_0257.jpg

Wildhawk66
02-25-2007, 11:13 AM
Ivan, how to do you like that XLR? How does it compare to the standard 1895? I was thinking about picking one up, but a bit torn between the XLR and the standard guide gun.

lpspinner
02-25-2007, 11:29 AM
There was a smith in Florida that use to do 45-70 conversions to Mosins. It would hold 3 rounds in the box.

damon1272
02-25-2007, 11:37 AM
My father has the marlin Guide Gun and a target version of the Winchester High Wall single shot. For practice the old 405 grain original loading is pretty light. Even the 500 grain target loads aren't bad. The Winchester 300 grain hunting ammo hurts like hell! The 45/70 is a great round and is a blast to shoot. In the target rifle 600 yard gongs are a blast to shoot. Artilery like tradjectory though.

scootergmc
02-25-2007, 11:41 AM
Maybe I'm just immune to recoil. I love my 1895 .45-70.

HUTCH 7.62
02-25-2007, 12:08 PM
I have a Marlin lever in 45/70 an awsome pig gun. If you think 45/70 GOVT. kicks, try the 450 marlin round

FatKatMatt
02-25-2007, 12:31 PM
Apparently the Marlin Guide Gun in the heavier loads produces about 66 ft/lbs of felt recoil. If you change out the buttpad with a Pachmayr or a Limbsaver it should help recoil a lot. I must say I really want one of these rifles.

guimus
02-25-2007, 12:53 PM
Apparently the Marlin Guide Gun in the heavier loads produces about 66 ft/lbs of felt recoil.

ouch...

rkt88edmo
02-25-2007, 1:38 PM
My next rifle will be an XLR (like the one on the left in Ivanimal's pic). I am pretty sure I am going to cut the barrel down a bit, thinking 19.5 inches just to be a little different.

The other alternative I am playing with is buying an 1895GS and finding someone to swap furniture & levers with.

After that I am pretty sure I will go the leupold 2.5x IER scope route w/ peep/ghost backups.

xenophobe
02-25-2007, 2:00 PM
I shot two boxes through a Kodiak .45-70 double rifle for work related purposes. A customer bought it and said he couldn't group better than 12" with it. I had to shoot a target at 50y and 100y to show the purchaser that the barrels were acceptably regulated. At 100y it was about 8" and 50y was dead on 4" group. It was him and not the rifle.

AfricanHunter
02-25-2007, 2:12 PM
I think the reason the 45-70 seems to kick so much is two fold.... Poor stock design and too light a rifle. With practice it is definitely manageable though and the guide gun makes one hell of a brush rifle.

Now you guys want to try a real mans gun.... Try a 500 Nitro Express.... 570 grains at 2150fps. :D

Guns R Tools
02-25-2007, 2:23 PM
I have never shot 45/70 but shot 3" Magnum buckshot from Mossberg 590.
Not so fun. I had no problem shooting MN91/30 off hand by the way.

Slightly off topic...

Would it be wise/feasible to put muzzle brake on it like that of Serbu's BFG-50?

Just curious.

AfricanHunter
02-25-2007, 2:29 PM
Muzzle Brake on the rifle or your mossberg?

You could definitely put a brake on the rifle.

Guns R Tools
02-25-2007, 2:57 PM
I meant on a rifle. Muzzle break might not be a good idea on Shotgun because the wad might jam up and do some damge.

dfletcher
02-25-2007, 4:19 PM
I've shot the 45.70 in a contender pistol does that count? Recoil was brisk.


Now there's an understatement. I have the 45/70 in a 12" bbl Contender and reload. A 300 JHP @ 2,100 fps is quite a handful.

Sutcliffe
02-25-2007, 4:33 PM
Pretty accurate, recoil isn't too bad, LOUD! Not as bad as his ported 3" Trail Boss in .44 mag, but something you always want hearing protection while using.
I've got a 1892 Rossi in .45 Colt that Paco Kelly has used to push 350 grain lead bullets at 1500+ with. Not so certain I could handle the recoil, but there isn't much that load couldn't accomplish. Ever carried a 20" 1892? Handy is an understatement.

tankerman
02-25-2007, 4:41 PM
I think the reason the 45-70 seems to kick so much is two fold.... Poor stock design and too light a rifle. With practice it is definitely manageable though and the guide gun makes one hell of a brush rifle.

Now you guys want to try a real mans gun.... Try a 500 Nitro Express.... 570 grains at 2150fps. :D

Poor stock design? The 45/70 has been chambered in just about every type of rifle imaginable. Leverguns are not bench guns

xenophobe
02-25-2007, 6:13 PM
Poor stock design? The 45/70 has been chambered in just about every type of rifle imaginable. Leverguns are not bench guns

Neither was the Kodiak double that I had to test for accuracy. It was rather painful, and an English straight stock to boot. I have to admit, I think I fired about 6 rounds on the bench, sandbagged, before I decided it would be better to shoot offhand. lol

metalhead357
02-25-2007, 7:39 PM
45/70's are American, Moisin's are not.


LOL! Dont tell that to REMMINGTON!!!!!!!!!! They Built quite a few;) They're more American than CZ (Before CZ USA), Beretta (Before Ber USA), more american than AK's (Before Vector, etc.)

But to answer the question; yes 45/70's do have a slight kick:p

ivanimal
02-25-2007, 9:36 PM
Ivan, how to do you like that XLR? How does it compare to the standard 1895? I was thinking about picking one up, but a bit torn between the XLR and the standard guide gun.


I cant tell the difference at 50 yards at 100 yards the XLR is tighter but not by much.

I do not like either gun from the bench. There is no way to get a good angle and hold unless it is shouldered naturally. I will take new pictures of the XLZ withits glass on. It is my only pimp gun.

tankerman
02-26-2007, 5:03 AM
LOL! Dont tell that to REMMINGTON!!!!!!!!!! They Built quite a few;) They're more American than CZ (Before CZ USA), Beretta (Before Ber USA), more american than AK's (Before Vector, etc.)

But to answer the question; yes 45/70's do have a slight kick:p

They were built for export

metalhead357
02-26-2007, 6:38 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/ivanimal/4570003-1.jpg



Hey Now! I see that vaccum cleaner- NO need to tidy things up for us now--> we're all friends here:D

But DANG! I DO love the look of Lever guns! Nice pair. I tell ya'- I gotta get out of the 30-30 and/or .357 way of thinking when it comes to levers and try some of the big boys.

scootergmc
02-26-2007, 6:42 AM
Hey Now! I see that vaccum cleaner- NO need to tidy things up for us now--> we're all friends here:D

But DANG! I DO love the look of Lever guns! Nice pair. I tell ya'- I gotta get out of the 30-30 and/or .357 way of thinking when it comes to levers and try some of the big boys.

I think I have the same vacuum cleaner... Eureka Model 4870... (just one # off from .45-70---- Holy crap!! It's a conspiracy)...

PanzerAce
02-26-2007, 7:07 AM
about how much does a 45-70 kick compared to a 91/30? (firing standing, not from a bench)

tankerman
02-26-2007, 12:20 PM
about how much does a 45-70 kick compared to a 91/30? (firing standing, not from a bench)

You can shoot anything from 250 gr to 530 gr. bullet it all depends on what you load. Personally I don't feel that 30 calibers don't kick much from a standing position, until you get to the Rem ultra mag and the 30-378. Also, big slow bullets and smaller fast bullets produce different types of felt recoil.

Kestryll
02-26-2007, 1:02 PM
American Derringer made a 45-70 derringer at one point, I saw one that was a single lower barrel and a solid steel upper 'barrel' to add weight. It was the classic short profile pattern Rumor was that the guy who shot it broke a few bones in his hand.

I couldn't fnd a pic of the one I saw but this one handles 45-70 up top and .410 below.
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d156/isbram/PB242005.jpg

DJDace
02-26-2007, 1:35 PM
Apparently the Marlin Guide Gun in the heavier loads produces about 66 ft/lbs of felt recoil. If you change out the buttpad with a Pachmayr or a Limbsaver it should help recoil a lot. I must say I really want one of these rifles.

I purchased a Pachmayer recoil pad for my Marlin 336 Levergun chambered in 30-30 and the recoil on that gun disappeared. Before getting the pad for it after 2 boxes of ammo I was sore for a week. Now its an absolute joy to shoot all day long.

Zwingli
02-26-2007, 8:18 PM
Good reading. I have to say though, the first reply was way outa line and quite rude.

tankerman
02-27-2007, 6:30 AM
Good reading. I have to say though, the first reply was way outa line and quite rude.

Thanks for the input:p. Way out of line? Sorry I will try my best not to be offensive for you. Maybe I should take some sensitivity training and learn how to beat around bush more. Please offer suggestions, but please try not to be too rude or "way outa line".

cseabass
02-27-2007, 6:35 AM
lol, try shooting a 600 nitro express... ugh what a nightmare!

Zwingli
02-27-2007, 9:45 AM
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tankerman
02-27-2007, 4:03 PM
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