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Sailormilan2
02-23-2007, 5:31 PM
Can you identify this case? I found it sometime back in a commonly used shooting area east of Bakersfield.

blacklisted
02-23-2007, 6:04 PM
It looks like sort of like it was chambered and fired in a firearm of the wrong caliber.

wutzu
02-23-2007, 6:55 PM
yeah, i don't think anyone would try to make brass that looked like that

Sailormilan2
02-23-2007, 7:07 PM
The scary thing is I found 3 of them.:eek:

bobothebigdog
02-23-2007, 7:12 PM
Somewhere somebody has a bomb in their safe.:eek:

tankerman
02-23-2007, 7:35 PM
Wrong round in the wrong gun. no wildcat,dumbarse

fguerra
02-23-2007, 7:46 PM
Wrong round in the wrong gun.

Maybe the cases belong to this guy?:eek:



http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=45645&highlight=wrong+ammo

tenpercentfirearms
02-23-2007, 7:59 PM
You know what, I will take a picture of that case at the link above for yall so you can see it for yourself. It really is interesting.

The buldge doesn't make sense though on the case in question in this thread.

Sailormilan2
02-23-2007, 9:16 PM
I was having a little fun there when I started this thread. My sense of humor gets me in trouble at times.
It looks to me like someone fired a .223 Rem in a 7.62x39 rifle. The base of the case has a crimped in primer and mark WCC85. As I said, I found 3 of them. I could possibly understand 1, but 3?????
Tenpercent.............................when I get my bike back up and running I'll bring it out to you to look at.

M. Sage
02-23-2007, 9:52 PM
But it doesn't seem like .223 in a .310 bore would build enough pressure to bulge the case out like that...

What're the odds that someone tried .30 Carbine in a 7.62x39?

Sailormilan2
02-24-2007, 7:35 AM
7.62x39 SKS/AK47 round, mystery case, fired M1 Carbine case, .223 Rem/5.56 NATO round.

tankerman
02-24-2007, 7:36 AM
You know what, I will take a picture of that case at the link above for yall so you can see it for yourself. It really is interesting.

The buldge doesn't make sense though on the case in question in this thread.
I have seen a Case that had a similar appearance after it was fired in the wrong gun. What I viewed was a 32-20 rifle that had been rebored and rechambered to .375 mag. The rifle had not been remarked and the 32-20 cases had very similar chacteristics to the case in this thread, it is a bulging case. Me alls knows whats its be.

tenpercentfirearms
02-24-2007, 7:43 AM
With that comparison, I would have to guess it is a .223 in a 7.62x39mm chamber wildcat round! The buldging is interesting. It looks like it initially had enough pressure to fire form that one part and then the bullet must have exited and the fire forming stopped. Very interesting.

Fjold
02-24-2007, 8:12 AM
It wasn't me, but I'm not betting against any of the 08'ers around here.

dfletcher
02-24-2007, 9:52 AM
So what's the case length of the mystery round - 51mm? Does seem like a 308 fired in something with a longer chamber - 30.06.

AJAX22
02-24-2007, 9:59 AM
Deffinitly looks like a 5.56 stuffed into a 7.62x39... I wouldn't want to be the guy who pulled the trigger on that one...

there is probably a fourth round somewhere that has a nice crack in it where all the gasses blew back in the shooters face.

maby someone who has an excess of firearms can duplicate it with a remote firing setup..

I know that 5.56 will fit easily into a 7.62x39 magazine and will feed correctly.

M. Sage
02-24-2007, 11:41 AM
Yep, I stand corrected. I couldn't find the empty .30C I have sitting around here somewhere.

Definitely .223, it just seems wierd to me it'd build that much pressure.

tankerman
02-24-2007, 12:13 PM
Yep, I stand corrected. I couldn't find the empty .30C I have sitting around here somewhere.

Definitely .223, it just seems wierd to me it'd build that much pressure.
The chamber contains the brass and keeps it from expanding larger than the chamber size. What is so confusing about that? Where does the extreme pressure notion come from? There is no indication of too much pressure. Just case expansion. It is no mystery

grammaton76
02-24-2007, 12:36 PM
Heh, you found the cases from the unaired episode of Mythbusters, where they debunked the claim (still circulating in some branches as of 5 years ago at least) that AK's can fire our ammo, but we can't fire theirs...:eek:

M. Sage
02-24-2007, 12:51 PM
The chamber contains the brass and keeps it from expanding larger than the chamber size. What is so confusing about that? Where does the extreme pressure notion come from? There is no indication of too much pressure. Just case expansion. It is no mystery

I didn't mean extreme, I just meant really any. The size of the gap between the bullet and the bore, it seems like the bullet wouldn't do much more than fall out the end of the barrel, like if the round went off sitting on a bench. Just didn't seem to me like there'd be enough of a seal to build enough pressure to bulge a case like that.

Sailormilan2
02-24-2007, 10:42 PM
So what's the case length of the mystery round - 51mm? Does seem like a 308 fired in something with a longer chamber - 30.06.

If you fire a 308 in a 30-06 chamber you get what appears to be a rimless 444 case. The case does a nice job of sealing the chamber and there aren't any real headspace issues. The wider shoulder of the 308 lodges itself in the slightly narrower -06 chamber.
How do I know this? I have several -06 Garands and 1 in 308. My boys are always trying to load, or actually load, 308s in the 30-06. They feed fine, but don't extract worth a hoot............................easier to shoot them out.