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Flyin Brian
11-17-2011, 2:57 PM
I just picked up a nice example of a Model 1917 Winchester that appears to be all original (original 1918 barrel too) but has some mix-matched parts on it here and there. The stock has me a little confused, as I believe it may be a post WWII replacement. Under the front, directly ahead of the trigger guard is this mark... I'm driving myself nuts trying to decide if it is an eagle head or just some ding in the wood!!

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q295/Flyin_Brian/Model%20of%201917/Modelof1917010.jpg

TRICKSTER
11-17-2011, 3:12 PM
It's an eagle head. This was used as a Government inspectors proof mark during the initial M1917 production period. It may have been a extra stock not used during production. If it had been inspected and approved on a complete rifle, there would be another eagle head stamped behind the trigger guard. If you post photos of the stock bolt recess and finger grooves, I may be able to tell you the manufacture.

Flyin Brian
11-17-2011, 3:36 PM
Thanks Trickster. I don't have a closeup of the finger grooves but here is one of the whole rifle:

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q295/Flyin_Brian/Model%20of%201917/Modelof1917001.jpg

Here is the bolt recess area:

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q295/Flyin_Brian/Model%20of%201917/Modelof1917008.jpg

This is the only thing behind the trigger guard, a "2V":

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q295/Flyin_Brian/Model%20of%201917/Modelof1917011.jpg

It's a pretty low serial number:

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q295/Flyin_Brian/Model%20of%201917/Modelof1917007.jpg

McNally M.
11-17-2011, 3:39 PM
Beautiful rifle. Where does one find those these days?

TRICKSTER
11-17-2011, 3:52 PM
Looks like a Eddystone stock.

TRICKSTER
11-17-2011, 3:57 PM
If you decide to detail strip it, this site will show you what and where the parts should be marked. http://m1903.com/m1917markings.htm

OHOD
11-17-2011, 4:00 PM
Cool.

I thought it was a Hot Wheels car.

pro-nra
11-17-2011, 5:47 PM
Look at the tip of the stock it should have E, R or W. That serial # is not that low and I've seen four digit numbers. My Winchester is not four digit but its 54,431 lower than yours. Here is my herd of 1917s.
http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt57/pro-nra/DSC09069.jpg

Flyin Brian
11-17-2011, 11:05 PM
Beautiful rifle. Where does one find those these days?

It was an accident, really. I spend some time watching and bidding in online auctions and I was planning to bid on a Smith-Corona 1903-A3 and a few other rifles but they went way past my max bids and I happened to see this ugly duckling not getting any bids above $400 so I swooped in on it. It looks way better than it did in the photos of the auction. I'll be at USI this weekend checking it out :)

Flyin Brian
11-17-2011, 11:06 PM
Look at the tip of the stock it should have E, R or W.

I checked and there is no marking on the end of the stock.

EDIT: I JUST CHECKED AGAIN AND IT HAS A VERY FAINT "E" ON IT THAT IS HARD TO SEE BUT IT'S THERE

pro-nra
11-18-2011, 6:11 AM
If no marking at the tip then it is a replacement furniture.

Vlad 11
11-18-2011, 6:54 AM
That's a nice piece for 4 bills.

I'll be at USI this weekend checking it out :)

I scored a 1917 earlier this year and find it quite pleasant to shoot. Its similar in weight and girth to a M39. And IMO the longer sight radius and peep sight gives it better sighting. Its quite a rugged battle rifle.

Flyin Brian
11-18-2011, 7:17 AM
That's a nice piece for 4 bills.



I scored a 1917 earlier this year and find it quite pleasant to shoot. Its similar in weight and girth to a M39. And IMO the longer sight radius and peep sight gives it better sighting. Its quite a rugged battle rifle.

That's precisely why I have been looking for one - the peep sights and long sight radius. I have been to a few of the military bolt rifle matches at Chabot and the guy who runs the match also shoots in it sometimes and he is always shooting a 1917 so I figured there must be a reason for that :)

NRAhighpowershooter
11-18-2011, 9:55 AM
That's precisely why I have been looking for one - the peep sights and long sight radius. I have been to a few of the military bolt rifle matches at Chabot and the guy who runs the match also shoots in it sometimes and he is always shooting a 1917 so I figured there must be a reason for that :)

Actually I shoot a 1903A3 :D

But I do have a nice Winchester M1917 with a new 6 groove HighStandard barrel on it. The pic is of all my WRA riffles
http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd88/highpowershooter/Firearms/Winchesters.jpg

Flyin Brian
11-18-2011, 1:55 PM
Actually I shoot a 1903A3 :D

But I do have a nice Winchester M1917 with a new 6 groove HighStandard barrel on it. The pic is of all my WRA riffles


I thought for sure you were shooting a 1917 at the last match I attended... it's been quite a while though.

When is the next one?

NRAhighpowershooter
11-18-2011, 2:42 PM
I thought for sure you were shooting a 1917 at the last match I attended... it's been quite a while though.

When is the next one?

This coming Sunday, November 20th

TRICKSTER
11-18-2011, 5:19 PM
If no marking at the tip then it is a replacement furniture.

Or it was lightly struck or sanded off.