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g2jap
02-20-2007, 8:03 PM
Pistol or Carbine? from what i was reading it seems to be a pistol? and i can buy one through ftfppt. cannt i just get it shipped to a ffl?

Rugerman
02-20-2007, 8:04 PM
you can call it an automatic pistol :p you can get it shipped to an FFL if it has no Flash Hider and a pinned 10 round or less mag and its only semi-automatic. for a Face to Face transfer the person would have to had it before the Assault Weapons Ban in January 1, 2000 and you may not keep any high capacity mags from that person

rssslvr
02-20-2007, 8:11 PM
It can be both a pistol or carbine.You can buy one(a pistol) ftf ppt if it does not have a threaded barrel(the cobray pm-11 doesn't have a threaded barrel and I have seen them for sale before).I don't think you can have it shipped to your ffl cause it is not on the approved handgun list but I could be wrong.

g2jap
02-20-2007, 8:17 PM
so where do you think is the best place to look for one of these macs?

rssslvr
02-20-2007, 8:23 PM
so where do you think is the best place to look for one of these macs?

Good luck finding one.Just keep your eyes open,they pop up once in awhile.In all honesty you don't really want one unless it is for the cool factor.They shoot like crap IMO.

Richard
02-20-2007, 8:28 PM
Let you in on a little secret....well not really a secret.

The guys over at bright spot have submitted a Mac Clone for the Cal drop test...still waiting on results.

I say mac clone because I think Cobray is not doing them ,but others have poped up.

Mr. Beretta
02-20-2007, 8:28 PM
Weren't those the .380's?

rssslvr
02-20-2007, 8:31 PM
Weren't those the .380's?

My cobray pm-11s were 9mm

Mr. Beretta
02-20-2007, 8:36 PM
Thanks rssslvr for the info. My bust. You do remember what model was the .380? Didn't Cobray make one? TIA:)

rssslvr
02-20-2007, 8:37 PM
Yeah I think they did make a .380 but not sure what the model number was.I think it may have been M-12

Mr. Beretta
02-20-2007, 8:41 PM
Thanks for the 411 :)

rssslvr
02-20-2007, 8:43 PM
Thanks for the 411 :)
No problem and just checked it is the M-12 that was .380

69Mach1
02-20-2007, 8:45 PM
Let you in on a little secret....well not really a secret.

The guys over at bright spot have submitted a Mac Clone for the Cal drop test...still waiting on results.

I say mac clone because I think Cobray is not doing them ,but others have poped up.

I was informed about these also. It's funny because I heard that the manufacturer had a working magazine disconnect before the end of the year but did not submit the pistol in time.:eek: Now they have to also add a loaded chamber indicator. Can't wait.

Technical Ted
02-20-2007, 8:46 PM
Yeah I think they did make a .380 but not sure what the model number was
The original Ingram Model M-11 was .380 Auto. In the 70's Military Armament Corporation bought the rights and the Ingram Modlel M-10 and M-11 became known as the MAC 10 and MAC 11 respectively. IIRC Around the mid-80's Cobray introduced the 9mm version of the MAC 11.

rssslvr
02-20-2007, 8:55 PM
The original Ingram Model M-11 was .380 Auto. In the 70's Military Armament Corporation bought the rights and the Ingram Modlel M-10 and M-11 became known as the MAC 10 and MAC 11 respectively. IIRC Around the mid-80's Cobray introduced the 9mm version of the MAC 11.

Your right the cobray m11/380,m11a1,pm12 and m12 are all in .380.The cobray 9mms are model numbers m11/9 and pm11

AJAX22
02-20-2007, 9:03 PM
the latest batch of .380's are the PM-12

The easiest way to get a MAC in california is to just buy the kit and put it togeather for yourself. you can get it directly from cobray. they have 80 percent receivers that go togeather easy.

ts
02-21-2007, 12:38 AM
have fun trying to get one or waiting for it to be submitted to drop testing.

K9paulc
02-21-2007, 7:18 AM
Originally Posted by g2jap
so where do you think is the best place to look for one of these macs?

In my safe...:D

I've got an early '90s Cobray M-11/9mm...registered of course! Contrary to the bad rap these things get, I've been shooting mine for years and as long as you maintain it properly it will feed and function just fine. Makes a fun little plinker if you like spitting out 32 rounds of 9mm as fast as you can. Also, just as as side note, I used have one of those hellfire trigger activators back in the '90's and it made the m11 rock like a little chainsaw.....brrrrrp!!!

formerTexan
02-21-2007, 10:34 AM
K9paulc/rssslvr, a quick question:

If the Cobray PM11 tends to double/triple on one pull of the trigger, what could be wrong? The sear plate?

rssslvr
02-21-2007, 10:41 AM
K9paulc/rssslvr, a quick question:

If the Cobray PM11 tends to double/triple on one pull of the trigger, what could be wrong? The sear plate?

Not sure,never had a problem like that.If mine was doing that I would take it apart right away and keep it that way till it was fixed.You may want to call cobray and ask.Here is their technical support number.
701-245-6414

AJAX22
02-21-2007, 11:24 AM
If the PM11 is double/trippling then it probably has improper engagement between the hammer and the sear plate, or you have a worn/sticky firing pin which is portruding too far.

either way its a dangerous condition to have both physically and legally.

I'd drop the 40 bucks on a replacement hammer and searplate and toss the malfunctioning ones, or I would stone the engagement surfaces flat to get rid of the worn edge which is alowing the hammer to slip off.

K9paulc
02-21-2007, 11:36 AM
I've never had that issue occur. I would replace the small parts, hammer, sear plate, firing pin and start trouble shooting from there. Most parts are relatively easy to obtain.

maxicon
02-21-2007, 2:22 PM
I see them once or twice a year at the SJ area gun shows - Cow Palace and SJ Fairgrounds. Always a consignment/PPT, of course.

AJAX22
02-21-2007, 2:55 PM
How much do they sell for PPT? By the time I'm done building mine It's going to have cost me close to seven hunderd (possibly a bit more).

JPglee1
02-21-2007, 3:07 PM
How much do they sell for PPT? By the time I'm done building mine It's going to have cost me close to seven hunderd (possibly a bit more).

Ive seen them as low as $400 PPT to as high as $1500. Average runs around $1000 for a PM11.

You can get a 9mm PM kit here for $250.00:

http://www.ftfindustries.com/mac_kits.htm
http://www.ftfindustries.com/m11smgparts-set.jpg
Just be sure to order the semi automatic kit, and have the barrel threads turned off before assembling the receiver.

Here is the receiver for $150.00 (.45acp version shown)
http://www.sksparts.com/cobrayM10WELDPAX.htm
http://www.sksparts.com/images/M10WELDPACK.jpg

Im not an attorney. I dont give advice. If I was gonna build one, I'd mark it "Model 07 Prototype for drop testing #1" along with my name/address and a serial number. I would also register the serial number.

I personally don't think they are worth the time however, they are great from 0 to about 1000 rds and then IMHO they turn to mush. They are great throw away tunnel sprayers, as they were designed to be. Id much rather build an UZI kit, or an AK based 9mm.

Good luck, have fun.


J

g2jap
02-21-2007, 4:45 PM
So is building a mac 11 as easy as a ar-15? If not how hard is it? Do i need to rivet? weld? Any special tools needed? Or can i just buy a reciever and a parts kit? Thanks IMO I love the look of the macs but have never shot one.

cartman
02-21-2007, 10:56 PM
Is there a way to build a Ca legal uzi?
If so does any one have links to sights that sell receivers?

AJAX22
02-22-2007, 7:23 AM
According to the letter from the DOJ, pistols manufactured for personel use do not have to be drop tested, the drop test requirement is only for pistols that are transfered through a dealers inventory.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/Spikespigiel/dojletter.jpg

oh and we only can make five per year acording to state law