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draconianruler
02-20-2007, 8:45 PM
I'm looking for a good scope that will not break the bank. I'll be using it on alot of different calibers (5.56, .308, .510dtc). I like the Leupold MK4 but its expensive. Is there anything equivilent that is cheaper? How are the Nikons and Super Snipers?

thmpr
02-20-2007, 8:48 PM
Leupold gets their glass from Nikon..which I have heard...:D

For the money, SS and nikons are the way to go.

I am stuck on the MK4s as well...very nice scope......!

James R.
02-20-2007, 8:48 PM
I'm looking for a good scope that will not break the bank. I'll be using it on alot of different calibers (5.56, .308, .510dtc). I like the Leupold MK4 but its expensive. Is there anything equivilent that is cheaper? How are the Nikons and Super Snipers?

Everything was looking pretty good until you decided to throw 510 DTC in there. Do you actually own a gun in 510 DTC to put that scope on? If not I suggest you can get away with the Super Sniper on the cheaper side of things or the Leupold 6~18 VX-II with Target Knobs...they're about $500 ISH if I remember correctly. I'm not sure it'd survive sitting on something like a 510 DTC however.

I have a SS on my 50 BMG and the things are hit or miss, I hear after a few hundred rounds some people have seen bits of glass and glass dust floating around inside of them. On those other calibers think nothing of it...it'll survive NO problem.

Regards,

James R.

Mize
02-20-2007, 8:56 PM
I have a super sniper on my remington 700pss in 308. The scope is great for the money.

draconianruler
02-20-2007, 9:00 PM
Well, the .510 dtc would be down the road (hopefully soon). I guess I'll get a seperate one for that.

Any recommendations on places to buy a scope?

five.five-six
02-20-2007, 9:03 PM
swfa.com

supersniper is just fine for .223->.308

Sydwaiz
02-20-2007, 9:05 PM
Leupold gets their glass from Nikon..which I have heard...:D


I've heard that Leupold gets their glass from Tasco.

Check out Burris.

James R.
02-20-2007, 9:06 PM
swfa.com

supersniper is just fine for .223->.308

2nd Vote for Riflescopes.com great service and everything seems to stay in stock at great prices. I've got 2 Leupy's, one SS and an EOTech from them.

Regards,

James R.

xenophobe
02-20-2007, 9:09 PM
I'd suggest the Leupold VX-1 4-12x40 if price is a concern. Resale value should be good if you decide on upgrading later.

The Super Sniper is overrated.

thmpr
02-20-2007, 9:11 PM
For the 510DTC, will that be a SA or bolt action?

five.five-six
02-20-2007, 9:21 PM
The Super Sniper is overrated.

that could be but, they hold theye're value better than anything else. for 300 bucks they work damb nice out to about 300 yards with varrying light conditions.

damon1272
02-20-2007, 9:22 PM
I personally prefer the Nikon scopes over the Luepolds. While Luepold makes a good scope I think the glass on the Nikon is better.

guimus
02-20-2007, 10:02 PM
I've heard from many many sources that if you're going to bother with a scope, get one from one of: [Leupold (any), Nikon, Burris (fullfields), Bushnell (elites)]

That said, is there any reason I shouldn't buy this: http://www.swfa.com/pc-8071-44-burris-3-9x40-fullfield-ii-rifle-scope.aspx ?
I'll be putting it on a Savage 10FP, but no shots past 200 yards for a while...will 9x be enough, or should I pony up the extra 150 bucks for http://www.swfa.com/showproduct.aspx?sku=200183PKG

EricCartmann
02-20-2007, 10:09 PM
I used a cheap scope on my M1A, a chinese made Famous Maker 2.5-10x44. No problems at all and it held zero just fine. Lots of cheap scopes like Bushnell and Tasco are pretty good. Only issue with my $150 scope was eye relief was only about 1.5". Then again my $800 ACOG is only 1.5" so can't complain to much there.

My M1A scope now is a Leupold Mark IV 3.5-10x40 illuminated TMR. I paid 7 times more for this scope than my Famous Maker but at most I say the Leupold is only 0.5 times (50%) better and not 7.0 times better like is reflected in the price.

mr2.0
02-20-2007, 10:50 PM
SuperSniper, I couldn't seem to justify the price of the Mark4, beside I only shoot 200-300 yards out no reason to pay close to $1000 or more, unless it was for serious business.

cush
02-20-2007, 11:17 PM
Beware of cheap scopes or at least accept what their limits are.

I picked up a Buckridge Horizon 6-24x42 mil-dot a good while back. Then had an opportunity to take a Precision Rifle class. Needing to all at once buy a rifle (700P LTR .308), pay for the class, buy match grade ammo, etc, I chose to stay with the cheap scope. Well everything went fine out to 800 yards. Trying to sight in at 1000 yards found the scope was clicking but not moving. :(
Had to hold on a spot on the hill about 8 feet above the target just to get it in the black. Then trying to come back closer I had no idea where the scope was really set at.
Of course it did work fine out to 800 yards so for ~ $75 I can't complain.
But next time I'll get a better scope, just trying to wait until I can afford it.
-cush

GTKrockeTT
02-20-2007, 11:23 PM
take a look at sightron IIs as well. wouldn't recommend putting one on a .50BMG, but they are hard to beat for the $$.

EricCartmann
02-20-2007, 11:45 PM
Beware of cheap scopes or at least accept what their limits are.

I picked up a Buckridge Horizon 6-24x42 mil-dot a good while back. Then had an opportunity to take a Precision Rifle class. Needing to all at once buy a rifle (700P LTR .308), pay for the class, buy match grade ammo, etc, I chose to stay with the cheap scope. Well everything went fine out to 800 yards. Trying to sight in at 1000 yards found the scope was clicking but not moving. :(
Had to hold on a spot on the hill about 8 feet above the target just to get it in the black. Then trying to come back closer I had no idea where the scope was really set at.
Of course it did work fine out to 800 yards so for ~ $75 I can't complain.
But next time I'll get a better scope, just trying to wait until I can afford it.
-cush


furtherst range I have ever been to was 600 yards. you are complaining that your $75 scope did not go past 800 yards? Life has must been good to you :D I thought the effective range of both 5.56 and 7.62 NATO was only good to 800 yards?

maxicon
02-21-2007, 4:09 PM
Well, this is a major YMMV area, but here's my $0.02.

For a variable scope, it's hard to beat the Burris Fullfield II series for the price.

I like used Leupold, and have a number of them, but even the VXI 3-9x40 is more expensive used than the Burris 3-9x40 is new, especially if you sell the free spotter that comes with it. Leupold's got great resale value, though, as Xeno pointed out. Their VX1 friction adjusts are fine, but click adjusts are more popular.

9x is good to a few hundred yards, depending on what you're going to do with it, and the Burris ballisticplex reticle is a good bet, while the inexpensive Leupolds tend to have basic cross-hair reticles. If you're going to be hunting, lower magnification is often more useful, while for paper punching, I prefer higher mags, and my current favorite 100 yard paper scope is a Leupold 4-12.

SWFA is a great source for new scopes, and their clearance center, at www.samplelist.com, is even better if you're patient. I like to buy used, and Leupold is good for that because of their great support. A couple of good used resources are www.rimfirecentral.com and ebay.

I see several VX1s on ebay for $170-190.

mike452
02-21-2007, 8:31 PM
Bushnell Elite 3200 10x40mm for $175 could be all you need. I have heard many people using this on 50BMGs.

draconianruler
02-21-2007, 8:53 PM
Anybody ever use or hear about how good the Nikon lifetime warranty is?

cush
02-22-2007, 12:06 AM
furtherst range I have ever been to was 600 yards. you are complaining that your $75 scope did not go past 800 yards? Life has must been good to you :D I thought the effective range of both 5.56 and 7.62 NATO was only good to 800 yards?

Effective range is not a precise term, plus most of us have to stick to the rifle we have. Now if I had a .338 Lapua Magnum it would be (should be) more accurate out past 800 yards, also much more expensive . What happens is shown in the table below (.308 168 gr. HPBT MatchKing, approximate data). Notice that moving from 600 to 800 difference is ~120" drop but 800 to 1000 is ~210" drop (why I was holding up on the hill when the adjustment range on my scope topped out). But the round does get there, just expect your accuracy to suffer, which is not a good thing for a sniper.

Range Drop Drop Velocity Energy
(yds) (in) (moa) (ft/s) (ft•lbs)
0 -1.5 *** 2663.2 2645.4
100 -0.0 -0.0 2465.0 2266.3
200 -4.2 -2.0 2273.5 1927.8
300 -15.2 -4.8 2089.9 1629.0
400 -34.2 -8.2 1906.5 1355.7
500 -62.7 -12.0 1733.8 1121.2
600 -102.9 -16.4 1572.1 921.8
700 -157.2 -21.4 1419.7 751.8
800 -228.8 -27.3 1286.2 617.0
900 -321.4 -34.1 1175.0 515.0
1000 -439.2 -41.9 1088.7 442.1
(hmm - seems tables are hard to align, sorry)
- Cush

NwG
02-22-2007, 12:34 AM
Buy the best class you can not afford!! If that means you have to wait an extra month or two to same up the cash DO IT!! (BTW - Price dosen't always mean quality!)

xenophobe
02-22-2007, 12:41 AM
SuperSniper, I couldn't seem to justify the price of the Mark4, beside I only shoot 200-300 yards out no reason to pay close to $1000 or more, unless it was for serious business.

That's going from one extreme to the other... The SS is entry level glass, the Mark4 is pretty much top of the line USA mfg. Any Leupold glass similarly priced will be better than the SS. If you were just going for the 30mm look, then yeah, you can't touch a Leupold 30mm for under a grand. But, there are plenty of excellent Leupold scopes in the $300-$500 price range though.

The SS is a decent scope, but it's not a great value for the price. I know SWFA has made improvements to it, but they've also raised the price accordingly.

draconianruler
02-22-2007, 5:38 AM
I think I found the scope I'll get. What do you all think of this Nikon?

http://www.swfa.com/showcategory.aspx?categoryid=218&sb=Name&so=asc&page=5

mike452
02-22-2007, 10:19 AM
Nikon Monarch UCC are nice. They are 1/8 click and I think 38 MOA total adjustments.
I have a 6.5-20x44 Monarch UCC on my varminter and it works great. The glass is much better than the SS.