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MrNiceGuy
11-08-2011, 8:50 PM
I need to spend $1000 on my health flex spending account by 12/31.
Thinking about buying a BIG trauma kit and maybe a portable trauma kit and some "quick clot" type bandages.

So basically....if you had $1000 to spend on a med kit....what would you buy?

What's the type of "quick clot" bandages the military is currently using (I want to buy the best for gun shot wounds).

No....I ain't no medic.
No....I don't know crap about how to use a kit.
I don't care.....I just want to spend money.

Help me blow $1000....thx.

mindwip
11-08-2011, 9:07 PM
Below is my wish list.

Adventure Medical buy this http://www.adventuremedicalkits.com/product.php?product=118&catname=Marine&prodname=Marine%203000


The Marine 3000 is the largest Adventure Medical Kit, designed for large crews more than 24 hours from shore. This kit is a true portable hospital, with supplies to treat any kind of injury, from simple scrapes and burns to serious injuries requiring trained medical personnel. Deep stock of common medications and dressings keeps a large crew healthy and safe throughout the journey.

$800 retail but you could find it cheaper, found one for $680.



Add this to round it off, $300 retail

http://www.narescue.com/EMS_Rapid_Deployment_Kit-CN1BE6B3C7F292.html?BC=0CAEB5B26EF4

The EMS Rapid Deployment Kit™ is designed to give pre-hospital healthcare providers the highest quality trauma supplies for the effective treatment of casualties in unconventional environments



To finish Buy 3 X $29

http://www.amazon.com/CELOX-Temporary-Traumatic-Treatment-10-Pack/dp/B0032UY9BQ/ref=pd_sim_hpc_3

CELOX is an over-the-counter blood clotting agent that delivers fast first aid care for all types of bleeding--from cuts, scrapes, and nosebleeds to moderate and severe bleeding. CELOX is so effective, it's been proven to work even in the presence of common anticoagulant blood thinning medications--a welcome breakthrough for the 40 million Americans who are on blood thinners and who can suffer from serious bleeding issues.

ExAcHog
11-08-2011, 9:39 PM
The wife and I had the same situation last year. About $800 to spend or lose. As we already had a pretty good set up for first aid, we went the direction of more general needs. LOTS and lots of:
Neosporin, Hydrocortozone, A&D ointment, Bandaids, Hydrogen Peroxide, Alcohol, Tums, Mole skin, Baby powder, vitamins, allergy meds, Tylenol etc, you get the picture.

We figure that while these may not overtly save our lives, they all have great shelf lives, and could make life seriously more comfortable.
I think that in the long run, if the S really Hits The F, it's as likely to die of infection as a bullet wound...Just thinkin out loud

Shellshocker66
11-09-2011, 9:26 AM
OK here is the ultimate one item medical device.
http://www.amazon.com/Philips-HeartStart-Home-Defibrillator-AED/dp/B00064CED6

You would be surprised how this could save you or a loved ones life! Most certainly also take a American Red Cross CPR class.

d-r
11-09-2011, 9:58 AM
Best bet for a hemostatic is Celox- far superior to Quick Clot (even the new reformulated Quick Clot that does not burn you due to exothermic reaction with blood). Red Flare Kits has a pretty good price on the powder and gauze, but check around, there might be specials.

SG_Niner
11-09-2011, 9:58 AM
Super glue and duct tape on every trip i take.

d-r
11-09-2011, 10:33 AM
@SG,

Ha! Super Glue is amazing. Believe it or not, there is a medical grade of cyanoacrylate called Derma Bond, and it is great! Kind of a light blue color. Good to have it in your kit as well. And we all know Duck Tape is the Handyman's Friend(Tm). ;)

dk94044
11-09-2011, 11:02 AM
Tampon for gunshot wounds trauma kit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7p2P-ibR7A&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PLB23BC0619C90C438

REPR
11-09-2011, 3:28 PM
I use chinook med for most my med needs. They have large premade kits as well as individual items to piece together your own kit. As mentioned above they sell dermabond (http://www.chinookmed.com/cgi-bin/item/01819/search/-Dermabond--------------------------------------) and it works great.

olhunter
11-09-2011, 6:38 PM
Those kits mindwip suggested fit the bill.

And get a bunch of Israeli Battle Dressings. More than just a bandage.

http://www.amazon.com/Israeli-Battle-Dressing-Compression-Bandage/dp/B003DPVERM

Got Stuff?
11-09-2011, 6:59 PM
There are different types (ResQ-Pak) that are detailed to different circumstances, IE... military, hunting, etc.

I have pretty detailed specs on about 5 different packs if you're interested?

11HE9
11-09-2011, 8:01 PM
I need to spend $1000 on my health flex spending account by 12/31.

No....I ain't no medic.
No....I don't know crap about how to use a kit.
I don't care.....I just want to spend money.

Help me blow $1000....thx.



Find a EMT / Wilderness first aid class.

The best kit $$$ can buy isn't going to do you any good if you don't know how to use it properly.

Darklyte27
11-09-2011, 8:06 PM
1000$?!! my fsa was only 200, not going to get it for 12 because theres so many restrictions.

buy first aid kits, put 1 in each car. if you have extra blood clot or other medical stuff you can spare ill take some.
Didnt I meet you at the USI range?

77bawls
11-09-2011, 8:42 PM
Corn starch can be used as a clotting agent.

I should probably think about this because my son takes daily aspirin, and he bleeds like a stuck pig.

kayaker
11-09-2011, 8:54 PM
Maybe a little off topic but;
Most 1st aid classes are designed around urban settings, stabilize the victim and call 911. For an outdoorsman that doesn't work, the phone probably won't work and the ambulace or chopper may be hours away. Look into Wilderness 1st aid. I've taken 2, 16 hour classes ( try to do it once every 5 years or so). All the 1st aid gear in the world won't help if you don't know how to use it.

calmedic
11-10-2011, 10:30 AM
You guys are killing me!

1. Do not put tampons in gun shot wounds(GSW). I get that they look like they might be a good fit but if you study anything about the kinematics and pathophysiology of GSW's you'll find that it is a waste of your time and effort there is nothing in the 1/2" x 2" area the tampon will affect that is a threat to the victims life. All this does is introduce pathogens (disease) into the wound. In reality topical dressings for GSW's are of little use with the exception of occlusive dressings for thoracic and some abdominal wounds. Gun shots are a surgical disease.

2. Do not use corn starch to stop bleeding. One word, emboli, look it up. Yes I know your vet may recomend this when trimming your pets nails but this is because we are talking about very small vasculature on a pet, not traumatic wounds on a person. Hell I bet dirt/asbestos/dried horse turds etc. would help form clots but that does not mean I would put them in a open wound.

OP if your serious about this find a good tactical medic kit from a website like galls.com and use the extra money to buy the latest edition of Prehospital Trauma Life Support and get the military edition as it will cover more "no 911" SHTF type scenarios, also look for a good wilderness first aid book PM me for a list of some good titles. Good luck.

d-r
11-10-2011, 2:55 PM
If you have to put anything not approved for hemostatic use, table sugar is far better than corn starch(!). Agree with CalMedic, embolis is not fun, and corn starch has the possibility of remaining whole and being carried throughout the body.

Tampons + GSW = NONO- +1, especially since a lot of them are "scented" for that "Fresh Feminine Feeling(Tm)" :D

gnatnoop
11-10-2011, 8:26 PM
interesting thread.. Heres what i got..

This bag
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g8/1968mustang302/Picture635.jpg

which opens up like...
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g8/1968mustang302/Picture636.jpg

this in there, just because
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g8/1968mustang302/Picture637.jpg

each pouch contains this ( so this x3)
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g8/1968mustang302/Picture638.jpg

top pouch (not shown) includes surgical airway kit, tourniquets, nasopharyngeal airway, control wraps etc..

gnatnoop
11-10-2011, 8:26 PM
instrument panels contains trauma shears, needles etc
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g8/1968mustang302/Picture639.jpg

under the instrument panels contains a zippered pouch that contains everything you might need from your local pharmacy (OTC)
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g8/1968mustang302/Picture640.jpg

side pockets contain 2 500ml IV's and 2 1000ml IV's with everything needed..
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g8/1968mustang302/Picture641.jpg

All items (except for OTC medicines) were purchased from these 3 places
http://www.bdstacticalgear.com/pd-combat-trauma-medic-bag.cfm
https://www.tacmedsolutions.com/store/index.php
http://www.atlanticmedsupply.com/shopdisplaycategories.asp



Have any questions, feel free to ask..






edit- **** for 1000$ you can come buy this ;)

MrsFS
11-10-2011, 8:45 PM
While at work today, I realized that we were missing an item that may be useful in our home SHTF pack. I have not seen many first aid packs that contain an Aspen collar (a cervical/neck stabilization brace) or even a soft cervical/neck stabilizer. Just something to consider. I will definitely be adding that.

mindwip
11-10-2011, 9:08 PM
Good add on. But if it is a SHTF a neck collar wont help, you need better help then that. It might make the PT more comfortable. But also you can just make one too. You will not be able to cover all needs with $1000.

I see what the OP is doing and training is good but if you have the money that you need to spend let the man spend it. But he better post pics is all i have to say.


gnatop, nice bag, i have my own bag i am putting together will post when my most recent part comes in.