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HIG541
11-03-2011, 2:30 PM
Post #56 for updates with photos!



Hey all,

bought a bunch of heirloom seeds to squirrel away in case growing my own food ever became a necessity. Then I started thinking, why am i waiting till SHTF to figure out how to grow and maintain a year long garden? that just seems stupid, lol! anyway, I bought some books and did some planning and I have begun a new and exciting venture into self sustainability. not to mention the vegetables will hopefully be super great tasting and in this economy, you cant beat free!.

So i decided to do a garden straight on the ground (no fancy garden boxes). This will save me money and if i ever decided to abandon (hopefully not) all i have to do is till it over. I tilled the earth a couple of months ago (by hand with a pulaski) and have been working compost and amendments into it.

I also started a compost area in my yard and things are going good there. why waste all the kitchen scraps i have and all my grass clippings and leaves!

so anyway, today i built my rows (wide and deep) and will be putting in straw walkways soon. Hope to work more compost in before spring.

This project is a ton of fun guys. hard work, but i feel there will be great reward. As to date I have spent less than a hundred dollars on the amendments, seeds and extra soil. I hope to have the garden in full swing for under 150 bucks. how can you beat that?

pics are here and i will keep you guys updated.

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd389/HIG541/gardenproject001.jpg

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd389/HIG541/gardenproject002.jpg

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd389/HIG541/gardenproject003.jpg
thats my cal desert tortoise burrow in the background

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd389/HIG541/gardenproject004.jpg

compost trial area


maybe when harvest happens, if it goes well, i will put on a garden BBQ - calgunners welcome

barbasol
11-03-2011, 3:12 PM
Looking good! Can't wait to get a bigger backyard to do the same. Right now using only pots.

What will you be planting?

cineski
11-03-2011, 3:52 PM
Tagged for future updates. This is a project I'd be doing if I had a yard 8-(

k1dude
11-03-2011, 4:00 PM
It looks like you buried 5 dead bodies. :eek:

JAGACIDA
11-03-2011, 4:27 PM
I wish you well, you have the right approach. You should be able to grow quite a bit of produce and save some bucks in the process.

Bobbar
11-03-2011, 5:01 PM
Looking good man!

HIG541
11-03-2011, 5:26 PM
this spring i will be attempting:
detroit red beet
sugar beet
boston pickler cucumber
black beauty eggplant
purple top turnips
california wonder peppers
tobbacco
little finger carrots
cosmic purple carrots
cayenne pepper
red cherry sweet pepper
yellow wax pepper
keystone red giant pepper
jalapeno pepper
yellow squash
grey zuchini
red onion
straight eight cucumber
beefsteak tomato
amana orange tomato
lima bean
bunching onion
bush beans
sweet corn
daikon
fennel
cosmic purple carrot
dill
cilantro
and some other medicinal herbs for first aid.

here is what i'm thinking! how about other calgunners in the area that want to start survival gardens get together and we share different produce with each other and tips on growing etc. that way, we could get a much different variety in our kitchens and become better at growing.

HIG541
11-03-2011, 5:28 PM
It looks like you buried 5 dead bodies. :eek:

i could get at least ten in there. compost value alone would be worth it

HIG541
11-03-2011, 5:29 PM
Tagged for future updates. This is a project I'd be doing if I had a yard 8-(

you can totally do this on a smaller scale in 5 gallon paint buckets. i've seen some amazing produce grown on apartment balconies

seanbo
11-03-2011, 7:49 PM
I started a garden in the spring. It's been a good learning experience. Your right about not waiting till you need to eat to start your garden. Some stuff never came up, some did so so, and some grew like crazy. You know if you keep your seeds in a mason jar in the fridge they will keep for years. Keep with it!!!!!!

ElvenSoul
11-03-2011, 8:01 PM
Do Chia Gardens Count?

Lucky Scott
11-03-2011, 8:08 PM
You dont have to wait until spring. Here is a chart showing when to plant including some winter stuff.
I just started some radishes, carrots, onions, and beans.

http://gardening-coaches.com/more-resources/whentoplantveggies/

Trojans
11-03-2011, 8:16 PM
Go to your local Starbucks and ask them for the used grounds. They will give you as much as you want dump that into the compost to get it going with the green stuff.

jonnyt16
11-03-2011, 8:34 PM
this spring i will be attempting:
detroit red beet
sugar beet
boston pickler cucumber
black beauty eggplant
purple top turnips
california wonder peppers
tobbacco
little finger carrots
cosmic purple carrots
cayenne pepper
red cherry sweet pepper
yellow wax pepper
keystone red giant pepper
jalapeno pepper
yellow squash
grey zuchini
red onion
straight eight cucumber
beefsteak tomato
amana orange tomato
lima bean
bunching onion
bush beans
sweet corn
daikon
fennel
cosmic purple carrot
dill
cilantro
and some other medicinal herbs for first aid.
Mmmm tobbacco....when the SHTF I know who I'll be trading with when my Skoal supply dries up!

HIG541
11-03-2011, 8:35 PM
Go to your local Starbucks and ask them for the used grounds. They will give you as much as you want dump that into the compost to get it going with the green stuff.

cool, good tip. i've been taking the grounds from work every morning and putting them in. also, took all my neighbors green waste cans and put those in today. why not, might as well.

HIG541
11-03-2011, 8:38 PM
Mmmm tobbacco....when the SHTF I know who I'll be trading with when my Skoal supply dries up!

tobbacco has so many cool uses (not to mention i'm gonna try and make my own chew)

gonna try and use it as a pesticide and i hear you can also use it as an antiseptic.

wish poppies weren't illegal or i'd grow those too. i imagine in a shtf scenario they would be gold

11HE9
11-03-2011, 8:39 PM
here is what i'm thinking! how about other calgunners in the area that want to start survival gardens get together and we share different produce with each other and tips on growing etc. that way, we could get a much different variety in our kitchens and become better at growing.

A SHTF farmers market/co-op... I like it !!!

I'm on a few acres shared with the inlaws. I plan on doing some serious gardening this next spring/summer. I'm going to prep the garden plot over the fall/winter, then start seeds in hot boxes when the time is right. I'd really like to build a small greenhouse too, maybe next year.

HIG541
11-03-2011, 8:39 PM
You dont have to wait until spring. Here is a chart showing when to plant including some winter stuff.
I just started some radishes, carrots, onions, and beans.

http://gardening-coaches.com/more-resources/whentoplantveggies/

thanks for that website! that is cool

k1dude
11-03-2011, 10:09 PM
Go to your local Starbucks and ask them for the used grounds. They will give you as much as you want dump that into the compost to get it going with the green stuff.

Be careful about using too much coffee. Coffee grounds will turn your soil acidic. Unless you know and want crops that like acid soil, I would only use coffee grounds to make your alkaline soil neutral or slightly acidic. Neutral to slightly acid soil is probably your best bet for vegetables. Fortunately, most fruits and vegetables like slightly acid soil, but don't go overboard. You should test your PH level to try to keep it in the right range (usually between 4 and 6.5) for what you're trying to grow.

Trojans
11-04-2011, 10:48 AM
This time of year coffee grounds are perfect for the compost bin. We don't have as much grass clippings but tons of leaf drop. To get the composting process going those leaves need a source of nitrogen, which would normally be the grass clippings. So the coffee grounds takes its place. You should not use the grounds directly in the garden. Also the acidity in coffee beans is water soluble once you brew them they are ph neutral.

problemchild
11-04-2011, 10:54 AM
Can you plant potatoes for the winter season?

rp55
11-04-2011, 11:02 AM
Keep a close eye on the Zuchini. I planted one and it turned into the Godzilla of plants and took over my backyard.

HIG541
11-04-2011, 2:49 PM
A SHTF farmers market/co-op... I like it !!!

I'm on a few acres shared with the inlaws. I plan on doing some serious gardening this next spring/summer. I'm going to prep the garden plot over the fall/winter, then start seeds in hot boxes when the time is right. I'd really like to build a small greenhouse too, maybe next year.


let me know how it goes. if we are close, lets exchange some goods and get the SHTF CO-OP going! if we can get enough people, we could really get something going here

kayaker
11-04-2011, 3:57 PM
Survival Garden, now that's kinda funny. it looks just like a vegetable garden to me. I'm going to put on my survival shoes, get my survival shovel and go clean up the crap that my tactical labrador left on the lawn for me. :38:

HIG541
11-04-2011, 4:35 PM
Survival Garden, now that's kinda funny. it looks just like a vegetable garden to me. I'm going to put on my survival shoes, get my survival shovel and go clean up the crap that my tactical labrador left on the lawn for me. :38:

hmmmm ok. so do you feel better now?

anthonyca
11-04-2011, 7:00 PM
Lookin good.

kayaker
11-04-2011, 7:15 PM
hmmmm ok. so do you feel better now?

Sorry, couldn't stop myself. :innocent:

HIG541
11-04-2011, 9:01 PM
Sorry, couldn't stop myself. :innocent:

no worries brother. i know preppers are looked down on. the invite to join the co-op stands. especially if you have a tactical lab. :)

KevinB
11-04-2011, 9:40 PM
Just a small admonishment, remember the hose won't when the SHTF.

Water will become a huge issue for most of California. We are a desert.

dandechino
11-04-2011, 10:01 PM
I am watching this thread for updates. I commend you on this pursuit!

YourHuckleberry
11-04-2011, 10:21 PM
tag

HIG541
11-04-2011, 11:49 PM
I will update as the project goes on. i hope to also be harvesting water off the roof into barrels to take care of the garden. updates to come

anthonyca
11-04-2011, 11:54 PM
Did you do a lot of reading or are you winging it?

Darklyte27
11-05-2011, 12:14 AM
beer helps your compost pile start cookin

bsg
11-05-2011, 12:43 AM
hope it turns out well. you've got some space to work with there, from the looks of it.

EL_NinO619
11-05-2011, 1:29 AM
I had a good crop this year. Shot its still going..

http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac135/Justin_Moreau/2011-08-13173932.jpg

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/310615_2638298197131_1245794088_3205419_1241915310 _n.jpg

http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac135/Justin_Moreau/2011-10-19165245.jpg

http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac135/Justin_Moreau/2011-10-19165109.jpg

http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac135/Justin_Moreau/2011-09-11191430.jpg

http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac135/Justin_Moreau/2011-10-19165545.jpg

I let those guys get big because I made some delicious zucchini bread...YUM

DavidR310
11-05-2011, 6:04 AM
Squash Zucchini plants get HUGE! be careful.

jeep7081
11-05-2011, 7:41 AM
Great pics guys!

Dutch3
11-05-2011, 8:04 AM
I had a good crop this year. Shot its still going..

http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac135/Justin_Moreau/2011-08-13173932.jpg



That shot reminds me of my feeble attempts to grow tomatoes every year. The ground here is hard clay, so I plant them in pots. They don't do so well.

This year, there was this big "weed" growing next to my driveway. I had recently got a load of gravel dropped off, and there were lots of odd weeds sprouting from it. This one turned out to be a volunteer tomato plant. I staked it up, and it is still growing like a "weed" and full of tomatoes.

I'm not complaining. :)

Bobbar
11-05-2011, 7:10 PM
re-Read the first post, you said your going to try and keep this under $150 whats your cost been so far? And what else you goin to get?


What brand of seeds you using and where you buy them from

TheChief
11-05-2011, 7:23 PM
Survival Garden, now that's kinda funny. it looks just like a vegetable garden to me. I'm going to put on my survival shoes, get my survival shovel and go clean up the crap that my tactical labrador left on the lawn for me. :38:

no worries brother. i know preppers are looked down on. the invite to join the co-op stands. especially if you have a tactical lab. :)

It was hilarious though! My Tactical Terrier and SpecOps Spaniel will join the frey.

I too have the heirloom seeds tucked away and have been toying with the idea of breaking them out and getting dirty. Although doing them sans power tools and garden hose is a hard pill to swallow...

Are you using main water or a rain barrel for watering?

Thanks for the motivation and posts!

Flyliner
11-06-2011, 6:01 AM
wish poppies weren't illegal or i'd grow those too. i imagine in a shtf scenario they would be gold

Poppies are not illegal to grow in CA (unless they passed a recent law). You can freely buy seeds and grow them, it's only illegal to harvest the opium from them.

Google around, you will find all kinds of seed vendors...

HIG541
11-06-2011, 10:36 AM
re-Read the first post, you said your going to try and keep this under $150 whats your cost been so far? And what else you goin to get?


What brand of seeds you using and where you buy them from

I'm a little under 100 bucks right now. all i need from now is a little bit more chicken compost. i would eventually like to drip system the garden but that will take some time. i would also like to set up a rain barrel system and that should cost a little bit of money that i don't have right now.

kayaker
11-06-2011, 11:12 AM
Hey guys, a lot of places farm without a public plumbing system. We don't have to reinvent the wheel, it's already been invented!

I saw something on the news a few days ago about some Bay Area guys that were manufacturing irrigation systems for 3rd world countries. I don't remember their business name. I think they said you could buy system to water 1/2 acre for about $150.00.

Here is a similar system

http://www.hydrosource.com/w3clp008.htm

MrsFS
11-06-2011, 2:15 PM
If you ever end up with too many jalapeņos consider drying them and grinding them. They make a great powder to sprinkle on eggs or adding to salsa. I end up adding it to just about everything. Makes great spicy mayo too.

ireload
11-07-2011, 7:05 AM
The only two plants I'm growing at this time in my back yard are sweet potato and thai peppers. I was almost successful with tomato last year but damn field mice beat me to it before I can harvest them. The string beans did pretty well too last year and I was able to can them. I'll be adding more raised bed for other types of veggies I want to grow. Since my backyard is not that big I have to maximize every inch.

The soil in my area is pretty crappy to say the least.

HIG541
11-14-2011, 9:27 PM
OK! update number one! just ordered a batch of seed potatoes. they are Pokhipsie potatoes and apparently they grow in all colors (interior and exterior). i will be planting this week. probably about two rows and then harvesting some new potatoes and some full size ones. goal is to learn how to store them for long term and create new seed potatoes for next year. Will post some pics when the seed taters get here. anyone know anything else besides potatoes that i can plant this late into spring/start of winter?

msand951
11-14-2011, 9:44 PM
Check out bumper crop. And mix it with your soil. Check out some nurseries for this.
http://www.coastofmaine.com/mn-bumpercrop.shtml

Cool thread by the way.
And the farming coach site is nice too. Thanks guys

DVIII
11-14-2011, 9:47 PM
I am watching this thread for updates. I commend you on this pursuit!

+1!

zeke2517
12-10-2011, 1:23 AM
Hey HIG541: Havent Seen you in a while! i dondt get to planing my winter garden like we talked about, but im ready for the spring!
As for composting: i hooked up with the Amigo from a local HOA complex and the dude sets ALL the green waste aside for me to pick up every week. Also, SProuts market and Albertsons will give you some of thier green waste every morning before 8am if you need more substance to get the compost going.
keep it up dude!

HIG541
12-11-2011, 6:11 PM
whats up zeke. thanks for the heads up on the produce. i went by sprouts and they now have a policy at the one near me where they can't give it out. oh well. lets get those spring gardens going this year

problemchild
12-11-2011, 6:23 PM
whats up zeke. thanks for the heads up on the produce. i went by sprouts and they now have a policy at the one near me where they can't give it out. oh well. lets get those spring gardens going this year

Go by any horse stable and get all the horse crap you want.

HIG541
12-11-2011, 6:31 PM
not a bad idea problem. definately have to balance it with a lot of green waste

TaxAnnihilator
12-11-2011, 11:45 PM
OK! update number one! just ordered a batch of seed potatoes. they are Pokhipsie potatoes and apparently they grow in all colors (interior and exterior). i will be planting this week. probably about two rows and then harvesting some new potatoes and some full size ones. goal is to learn how to store them for long term and create new seed potatoes for next year. Will post some pics when the seed taters get here. anyone know anything else besides potatoes that i can plant this late into spring/start of winter?

For a cheap easy way to grow and harvest potatoes (without digging) look at potato boxes. Some people do fancy ones, but I have seen potatoes grown in cardboard boxes as well.

For other inexpensive garden items, check out craigslist and posts for local compost giveaways. You can also find free mulch, just make sure the mulch hasn't gone sour (you can smell if it has).

Good luck.

Fishandshoot
12-12-2011, 1:05 AM
nice thread

HIG541
02-21-2012, 3:19 PM
OK, so I promised an update and the weather has permitted. got the rows for the garden all set (kept black plastic over them all winter to kill any weeds). put straw in the walkways to keep weeds down. planted all my seeds and then some starter plants that i couldn't resist (habanero, black krim tomato, basil, oregano, sage). my potatoes have come in and are growing well. turnips and radishes are the fist to appear so far. the teepee looking thing is some of the roots that i dug up from the tree that i remove. I tied them together and made a lattice for my beans to climb. most looking forward to the Peter Peppers coming in (google them!)

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd389/HIG541/Pics001.jpg

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd389/HIG541/Pics007.jpg

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd389/HIG541/Pics006.jpg
the stone and shovel head are to protect the basil from sun

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd389/HIG541/Pics005.jpg

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd389/HIG541/Pics003.jpg
bean lattice

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd389/HIG541/Pics002.jpg
potatoes!

clbshooter
02-21-2012, 3:39 PM
Go on Craigslist to get all kinds of free manure. Just make sure the animals are not on any kind of drugs before you load it and it has been aged for a while. On the San Diego CL there are places to buy organic compost ( fairly cheap)complete with certificate if you want to be all organic.

HIG541
02-21-2012, 4:30 PM
thanks man, will look into it. for now i'm using compost that i'm making from brown and green waste

george tirebiter
02-21-2012, 5:08 PM
I grow potatoes in tires that I get for free from pep boys. As the plant grows add another tire and fill in more dirt. When it's time to harvest knock it over and have the kids harvest.

Darklyte27
02-21-2012, 5:13 PM
nice sucks when you get a gopher, i had one take out my tomatoes then one in front lawn.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/lcplwan/IMG_0002-5.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/lcplwan/IMG_0007-1.jpg

Sanderhawk
02-21-2012, 6:15 PM
Nice garden. Its been so warm here I have planted alot of my garden in buckets on the patio and they are doing real good. My potatoes are almost 2 feet tall already :)

fabguy
02-21-2012, 6:17 PM
Go on Craigslist to get all kinds of free manure. Just make sure the animals are not on any kind of drugs before you load it and it has been aged for a while. On the San Diego CL there are places to buy organic compost ( fairly cheap)complete with certificate if you want to be all organic.

I find a little problem with "manure". Cows and such eat weeds and the seeds that are on them, then their bodies process it. then "voila" those seeds come out in the well.... POO and into your garden. Use compost whenever possible, I found a great high nitrogen compost by saving all my grass clippings. helps aot on vegetables.

Steve1968LS2
02-21-2012, 6:59 PM
Very cool..

As for the survival part.. I remember reading that it takes 1 acre PER PERSON for survival purposes.. I doubt if most of us have that much space.. but it could help suplement existing supplies.

kedenimar
02-21-2012, 7:21 PM
this spring i will be attempting:
detroit red beet
sugar beet
boston pickler cucumber
black beauty eggplant
purple top turnips
california wonder peppers
tobbacco
little finger carrots
cosmic purple carrots
cayenne pepper
red cherry sweet pepper
yellow wax pepper
keystone red giant pepper
jalapeno pepper
yellow squash
grey zuchini
red onion
straight eight cucumber
beefsteak tomato
amana orange tomato
lima bean
bunching onion
bush beans
sweet corn
daikon
fennel
cosmic purple carrot
dill
cilantro
and some other medicinal herbs for first aid.

here is what i'm thinking! how about other calgunners in the area that want to start survival gardens get together and we share different produce with each other and tips on growing etc. that way, we could get a much different variety in our kitchens and become better at growing.

whats with the "cosmic purple carrots" ? you mentioned them twice...along with "other medicinal herbs"......LOL

HIG541
02-22-2012, 5:20 PM
whats with the "cosmic purple carrots" ? you mentioned them twice...along with "other medicinal herbs"......LOL

cosmic carrots are purple on the outside and orangish on the inside. other medicianl herbs like aloe, ginko, ginsing, marigold etc.

HIG541
02-22-2012, 5:21 PM
whats with the "cosmic purple carrots" ? you mentioned them twice...along with "other medicinal herbs"......LOL

cosmic carrots are purple on the outside and orangish on the inside. other medicianl herbs like aloe, ginko, ginsing, marigold etc.

jmsenk
02-22-2012, 7:57 PM
One of my goals is to start growing and shooting more of my own food. I am strapped for cash, and it would help. I've gotten rabbits and rattlesnakes while out on hikes for meat and stuff, and have foraged for some edible greens at the same time (dandilion stew can be pretty good!) but havn't been able to rig up any kind of garden at home (I rent one room out of a 3 bed / 2 bath apartment in the city...which I share with 4 other roommates) so my "Garden" consists of a rosemary plant for seasoning said meats, an aloe plant for cuts and scrapes, and a mint plant for my bourbon and rum (sadly not home made) - all grown on a window sill. Eventually I will move to a bigger place and become more self sufficient. When I either get more money, or stop burning it up at the range.

Chaparral
02-22-2012, 9:07 PM
Very cool..

As for the survival part.. I remember reading that it takes 1 acre PER PERSON for survival purposes.. I doubt if most of us have that much space.. but it could help suplement existing supplies.

The permaculture folks seem to think that about 4,000 sq ft per person works pretty good. A few are of the opinion that a woman could be fed on as little as 700 sq feet per year and a man, due to higher caloric demand from more muscle mass would require a minimum of 1000 square feet.

John Jeavons out of Willits has his book "How to Grow More Vegetables on Less Land Than you Thought Possible" or some title like that. I followed his instructions to the letter and I got really great results. When I tried to cut corners in preparing the soil, I got crummy results.

The book "One Circle" covers the 700-1000 sq foot stuff. I'd read that AFTER I read Jeavon's book and try his technique for a year or three.

DavidR310
10-11-2012, 6:47 PM
Would love to read a 1yr report on this. :)

frigginchi
10-11-2012, 6:59 PM
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Manolito
10-11-2012, 8:14 PM
The growing is one step on a long road. The preserving is the part that is tough to crack. I grow potatoes and can't store them for nothing. My carrots I can leave in the frozen ground during the winter and they last a long time. Onions last but not for all winter. Corn is great with electricity you can blanch and freeze if you have to dry corn and then grind it a different story.

I have not read the one acre per person but I can tell you it does not take an acre of garden to feed a family many times over.

The best feeling is to raise the chicken, lamb,cow and grow the other parts of a meal and then consume it totally provided by you and your efforts. We plan meals all summer long with nothing used other than that grown on the property.

Good Job OP and keep going it is amazing how much money you spend at the produce department during the summer.