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DangerousGoods
10-25-2011, 11:30 PM
I having been looking for a solid first aid book. Not just the basics, but information (with pictures) for advanced scenarios. Also any classes to get my hands dirty in.

I'm building my kit, but hardware is no good with out training.

I don't post much as I am a bit anti social. Thank you everyone for the information you have shared here in this forum, it has opened my eyes to the reality that I must prepare for the short and long term survival of my family.


PS. Problemchild you are my hero. Honeyville rules!


Thank guys,

Ken

cavemanlrrp
10-26-2011, 12:00 AM
Op I just picked up the
US Army Special Forces Medical Handbook
ST 31-91B

I got it from opsgear.com it was like 13 bucks if I remember. Haven't had time to go cover to cover yet, but looks like it has all the stuff in there. Gun shot wounds to drippy dick.
The wife (RN) spun through it and said it's a good one.

Best
caveman

Librarian
10-26-2011, 1:50 AM
If you don't mind a .pdf, you can get for free at
http://stealthsurvival.blogspot.com/2009/11/free-downloads-us-army-special-forces.html

From 1983, though; basic stuff is probably OK.

Also look at http://www.merckmanuals.com/home/index.html

Or, you can go Cadillac:

Wilderness Medicine, 5th Edition (http://www.amazon.com/Wilderness-Medicine-5th-Paul-Auerbach/dp/0323032281/ref=pd_cp_b_4), Auerbach

Lone_Gunman
10-26-2011, 7:12 AM
Thanks for posting that Wilderness Medicine, Librarian. I just picked up a 1995 edition in very good condition for 8.99 including shipping on Amazon. :)



Edit: Link to the 1995 used ones. It's an older edition than the one Librarian posted, but the info should still be good.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/0801670446/ref=tmm_hrd_used_olp_sr?ie=UTF8&condition=used

GrizzlyGuy
10-26-2011, 7:22 AM
Here are some that are in my survival book collection:

Where There Is No Doctor (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0942364155)
Where There Is No Dentist (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0942364058)
Medicine for Mountaineering & Other Wilderness Activities (http://www.amazon.com/Medicine-Mountaineering-Other-Wilderness-Activities/dp/0898867991)
Gray's Anatomy (http://www.amazon.com/Grays-Anatomy-Collectors-Henry-Gray/dp/B000SNMXK4)
Emergency War Surgery (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0879474106)

I only have these in electronic format:

FIRST AID FOR SOLDIERS - FIELD MANUAL FM21-11 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/FIRST-AID-SOLDIERS-FIELD-MANUAL-FM21-11-BK196-/160599731327)
Wilderness Medicine Course (2002, USMC) (http://www.amazon.com/Winderness-Survival-Wilderness-Medicine-ebook/dp/B001IDYW2K)

eqlzr
10-26-2011, 7:26 AM
Free .pdf version of "Where There Is No Doctor", a medical textbook used by Peace Corp workers under the direst of conditions:

http://www.webpal.org/SAFE/aaarecovery/7_medicine/Medicine%20-%20No%20doctor/Medicine%20No%20Doctor.pdf

xgi1991
10-26-2011, 7:51 AM
On top of all the recommendations above, I would also recommend Mosby EMT-Basic Textbook. Also due to come out soon is Armageddon Medicine, here is the web site for that
http://armageddonmedicine.net/?cat=1

XYZ
10-26-2011, 8:37 AM
Here are some that are in my survival book collection:

Where There Is No Doctor (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0942364155)
Where There Is No Dentist (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0942364058)
Medicine for Mountaineering & Other Wilderness Activities (http://www.amazon.com/Medicine-Mountaineering-Other-Wilderness-Activities/dp/0898867991)
Gray's Anatomy (http://www.amazon.com/Grays-Anatomy-Collectors-Henry-Gray/dp/B000SNMXK4)
Emergency War Surgery (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0879474106)

I only have these in electronic format:

FIRST AID FOR SOLDIERS - FIELD MANUAL FM21-11 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/FIRST-AID-SOLDIERS-FIELD-MANUAL-FM21-11-BK196-/160599731327)
Wilderness Medicine Course (2002, USMC) (http://www.amazon.com/Winderness-Survival-Wilderness-Medicine-ebook/dp/B001IDYW2K)

Dam Grizzly Guy - I have the same collection :), except for the Mountaineering book. The books he posted are solid and used widely in remote locations.

mindwip
10-26-2011, 1:10 PM
Hello,


Let me help you out. I have been CPR cert since i was 11 and held both First Responder and EMT certs.

You need classes to actually learn anything. You need to touch the other person, ask them questions etc. The class room is best for this. I would highly recommend First responder training as a starting point. RedCross provides training classes and you also get a book with it that will blow most of First Aid books out of the water for being helpful. Next if you still want to learn more take an EMT-B class (and that book will blow most books listed here out of the water for being helpful) with an ambulance ride along and ER shift. That will really held you learn how it goes down. An EMT-B can do a lot of stuff but each state limits what they can do in the field. As an example EMT-B can do 100 basic things, but CA only lets them do 34. I dont have the time to list what the things are but when you take an EMT class you will go over it. The numbers are not correct just explaining how CA really limits EMT-B's.


I have bought 2 Medical books out side of my classes. My EMT book really covers everything, common med, names, effects, doses, GSW, eye balls out of socket, loose of limb, OPQRST, OPQRST, OPQRST, DCAPBTLS and plenty of other stuff. I would not waste my money on a cheap first aid book, basic first aid you should know it, not have to read about it.


I just bought a used copy of Wilderness Medicine, 5th Edition for $80 its basically the same as my EMT book but has a bit more out door stuff. I would say 70-80% is the same in both books. I plan to take a wilderness EMT course next. I am not too found of the Where there is no Doctor series, there are much better books out there. Medicine for Mountaineering & Other Wilderness Activities was my first real medical book, i like it but with Wilderness Medicine its not needed anymore.

Spend your money on classes first then books.

ireload
10-26-2011, 5:48 PM
On top of all the recommendations above, I would also recommend Mosby EMT-Basic Textbook. Also due to come out soon is Armageddon Medicine, here is the web site for that
http://armageddonmedicine.net/?cat=1


I have a similar EMT textbook since the community college that close to my area has a course in EMT and paramedic studies. I also have the Special Forces medical handbook and the Navy Corpman handbook.

DangerousGoods
10-26-2011, 10:30 PM
Thanks alot for the information guys. Again the information and guidance I get from the Calguns community is outstanding. I really appreciate it.

Mindwip you are right. Without hands on training I feel I would be fumbling around when the time comes to give the assistance needed to help someone.

dhyayi
10-27-2011, 4:38 AM
Here are some that are in my survival book collection:

Where There Is No Doctor (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0942364155)
Where There Is No Dentist (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0942364058)
Medicine for Mountaineering & Other Wilderness Activities (http://www.amazon.com/Medicine-Mountaineering-Other-Wilderness-Activities/dp/0898867991)
Gray's Anatomy (http://www.amazon.com/Grays-Anatomy-Collectors-Henry-Gray/dp/B000SNMXK4)
Emergency War Surgery (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0879474106)

I only have these in electronic format:

FIRST AID FOR SOLDIERS - FIELD MANUAL FM21-11 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/FIRST-AID-SOLDIERS-FIELD-MANUAL-FM21-11-BK196-/160599731327)
Wilderness Medicine Course (2002, USMC) (http://www.amazon.com/Winderness-Survival-Wilderness-Medicine-ebook/dp/B001IDYW2K)

Thanks for the list

11HE9
10-27-2011, 11:11 AM
You need classes to actually learn anything.

I'll X2 that ^^^

I was CPR & EMT certfied right after highschool. I worked for a ambulance company for a brief time before I joined the Army. While in the Army, I attended a CLS (combat life saver) course and a couple refresher courses during my time in.

I believe first-aid and firearms training should always be hands-on until the basics are mastered

Shellshocker66
10-27-2011, 12:04 PM
I going to second the advice to start with the basics like a CPR class, maybe even a American red cross 1st aid class and then take from a local community college an EMT class. That is where the fun begins! You will be splinting, immobilizing, bandaging, and other various fun things to your class mates! All will have required books (remember to look online for used current versions to save money).

That will get you started.

Librarian
11-08-2011, 4:34 PM
Just re-discovered this link in my bookmarks:
http://www.healthline.com/health-blogs/outdoor-medicine
That's Auerbach's outdoor medicine web site.

wjc
11-08-2011, 9:21 PM
Wilderness Emergency Care by Steve Donelan

It's published by the American Safety and Health Institute. I got a copy when I took my Wilderness First Aid Course with Bay Area Expeditions.

It has lots of pictures and illustrations.

cineski
11-11-2011, 7:33 AM
Great info.

Librarian
02-09-2012, 1:14 PM
Younger folks who have been in the Army recently might not see this as new and different, but I just read something about the Army's Combat Lifesaver program.

There's a 40-hour class, but there is also a Self Study document: http://www.me.ngb.army.mil/units/rti/resources/IS0871_Edition_C_ALMS.pdf

The contents of the CLS bag are listed here: http://www.armyproperty.com/Resources/NSN-Listings/New-CLS-Bag.htm

adrenalinemedic
02-14-2012, 3:56 AM
The CLS course is designed with correspondence in mind. Will you get the benefit of having an experienced (or at least educated) instructor? Obviously not. However, a soldier can do the course, and get the cert (along with the promotion points) through the mail with AMEDD.

Keep in mind though, the CLS course is predicated on TC3, Tactical Combat Casualty Care, and that's where the emphasis lies. This is not a 'first aid' course, and the priorities when it comes to assessment and treatment are markedly different than what you would find on the civilian side.

While there is excellent, useful information in CLS, keep in mind who it was written for, and make it an addition to other texts, rather than a primary source.

If you already have training and experience, or you just want to feel dumb (both in my case ;) ), take a gander at the Special Operations Forces Medical Handbook (http://bookstore.gpo.gov/actions/GetPublication.do?stocknumber=008-070-00810-6).

Librarian
02-14-2012, 1:53 PM
SOFMH is available as an e-book in several formats, but then you wouldn't get the " tear-resistant, water-resistant synthetic paper ".

This version (http://www.amazon.com/Special-Operations-Forces-Medical-Handbook/dp/161608278X) is $11 at Amazon rather than about $60, but doesn't have the special physical format; says it's the latest edition.

Kindle edition (http://www.amazon.com/Special-Operations-Medical-Handbook-ebook/dp/B005JPT32W/ref=tag_dpp_lp_edpp_ttl_ex) of the 2001 pub for $3

adrenalinemedic
02-14-2012, 4:03 PM
The one listed at the GPO is the 2008 version. It's been completely rewritten and reformatted from the previous version, and that is the only place to get it, unless you're in a unit that will give you one for free.

But hey, buy whatever you want.

WageSlave
02-15-2012, 1:00 PM
http://www.amazon.com/Common-Sense-Medical-Outdoor-Reference/dp/0070076731/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1329339447&sr=8-2

The author was a professor of mine at UCSB, back in my college days. I took his course on first aid, CPR, and outdoor education then worked as his teaching assistant for awhile after that.

Librarian
09-18-2012, 5:26 PM
Also recently bought (about one every other month)
Alton J and Alton A, The Doom and Bloom Survival Medicine Handbook (2012)
Iserson K, Improvised Medicine, McGraw-Hill (2012)
Auerbach P, Medicine for the Outdoors, 5th Ed, Mosby (2009)

(ETA not that I'm claiming anything special for it, but I'm Librarian, R.N. Books are better as a supplement to training.)

jaebunz
09-18-2012, 7:35 PM
I currently use:

Nurse's Drug Handbook 2011 JONES & BARTLETT
Current Medical Diagnosis and Treatment 2012 LANGE
Emergency and War Surgery NATO
Where There is No Doctor WERNER
Where There is No Dentist DICKSON

Take an EMT Class at your Local Community College

Rider1k
09-18-2012, 7:47 PM
There are ton's of great suggestions here so far. I personally can't add to whats been listed! I hunt a lot of hogs and always have a full med kit with sutures available to me. I have also been trained to use them, Problem is, if you aren't trained to use the issued items then they will fail you and your patient.

Librarian
11-29-2012, 2:12 PM
A list published last June,
http://adventuredoc.net/2012/06/06/ebooks-remote-medicine-and-libraries/

Some of these are the really expensive professional books, others quite affordable and aimed at other than healthcare professionals.

kaligaran
11-29-2012, 5:27 PM
Thanks for updating this thread. I had never seen it before. Just picked up a few that I saw listed here.