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Kid Stanislaus
10-22-2011, 2:26 PM
The world is entering into a stage of pax prima. We just THOUGHT things were getting worse!!

http://news.yahoo.com/bombings-beheadings-stats-show-peaceful-world-134625326.html

problemchild
10-22-2011, 3:01 PM
Trying to make their boy NObama look good so he can get reelected.

Im sure this spin to the left story will half-way fool the dumbed down public school, state run TV watching, level playing field crowd. Maybe.....

thenodnarb
10-22-2011, 3:23 PM
"The rate of genocide deaths per world population was 1,400 times higher in 1942 than in 2008."

Umm... Maybe that's because the three biggest murderers of the 20th century are dead: Hitler, Stalin, and Mao. All communist or socialist.
He probably isn't counting all the murders of newborns still going on in China, which is to say nothing of all the murders of UNborn children worldwide.You know there are liars, damned liars, and statisticians

Ripon83
10-22-2011, 3:51 PM
Well.....you know what they say....those who ignore history will soon repeat it.

Ripon83
10-22-2011, 4:14 PM
I had seen the headline on your link, but didnt' click on it until you posted it. Way down in it I find the following "line" or a sentence.....check it out:
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— Discrimination against blacks and gays is down, as is capital punishment, the spanking of children, and child abuse.
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Some how discrimination, capital punishment, child abuse and "spanking" get lumped into one sentence. Really? OMG....could you get any more political with how you demand the world be and lump "spanking" in with capital punishment.

Neuvik
10-22-2011, 4:29 PM
And Social Engineering is on the rise!

Hurrah for propaganda. Its just so much more believable when it promises we are approaching utopia, thank god the hellstorm of the Bush times are over.

JackOfBlades
10-22-2011, 7:12 PM
I don't think you can completely dismiss this. I do believe violence is in our blood and we will probably never over come that. But i think globalization (hate it or not) is really starting to bring everyone closer together in that most people around the world are against full on war. I agree with the article in that the more educated the world becomes the less violent we will be. The only places where you see real aggression in the world are the poverty stricken places like Africa and the Middle East. This i think has a lot to do with the fact that the people in these places have no access to education or the outside world and are never taught to really think for themselves. This world is far from perfect, but that shouldn't keep you from being optimistic.

Seeker
10-22-2011, 7:22 PM
Ok so what does this have to do with "spending $ on preps"?

Kid Stanislaus
10-22-2011, 8:00 PM
Ok so what does this have to do with "spending $ on preps"?

I THOUGHT YOU'D NEVER ASK!! In a less violent world there's much less likelihood of things like nuclear war and EMP strikes, not to mention invasion by the Canadians!

seanbo
10-22-2011, 9:48 PM
Sweet, now I can sell the SHTF Rambo tank and invest in a not for profit tie-dye venture.

baz152
10-23-2011, 1:09 AM
So when the economy is good earthquakes stop and everyone always gets along?

Scratch705
10-23-2011, 2:50 AM
I THOUGHT YOU'D NEVER ASK!! In a less violent world there's much less likelihood of things like nuclear war and EMP strikes, not to mention invasion by the Canadians!

ummm, prepping isn't just an answer to violence in the world, it is also the answer to earth's natural forces.

no amount of world love will stop mother earth from giving you the finger and make the ground fall apart from beneath your feet, or having a new form of virus spread across the world resulting in mass quarantine, or creating a freak storm system that floods cities.

it sure as heck won't stop the criminals of the world from looting and creating riots.

Diesel-Gunner
10-23-2011, 7:09 AM
ummm, prepping isn't just an answer to violence in the world, it is also the answer to earth's natural forces.

no amount of world love will stop mother earth from giving you the finger and make the ground fall apart from beneath your feet, or having a new form of virus spread across the world resulting in mass quarantine, or creating a freak storm system that floods cities.

it sure as heck won't stop the criminals of the world from looting and creating riots.

To me the bottom line is simple.

Prepare, practice, and protect my family. Obummer has fired more missles than any other Nobel peace price recipient, the stresses of daily life affect the thought process of the general public differently. We are all just stick figures in mother natures eyes. We would be wise to NOT listen to the "Pro's" :facepalm:

jcoenenberg
10-23-2011, 7:26 AM
Well said scratch

thunderbolt
10-23-2011, 7:46 AM
Humanity is getting smarter? I just have one thing to say to that: People of Walmart. This guy must be on some powerful voodoo sh**.

It's one thing to be optimistic but I believe that most people are willfully ignorant of human nature. I might agree that right now things seem reletivly calm but I'd attribute that more to the industrial revolution and the over abundance of food and goods that 100 years would be considered luxury items but are now considered neccessaties for daily life. You take away fast food and watch how peacefull these "enlightened geniuses" become. As demand for natural resources rises and the supply diminishes with no ready alternatives we're in for some wild times that'll make the Dark Ages look like the Renaissance.

But i think globalization (hate it or not) is really starting to bring everyone closer together in that most people around the world are against full on war.

This isn't a good thing. Napoleon said "If you wage war, do it energetically and with severity. This is the only way to make it shorter and consequently less inhuman." Does anyone realize that we have been fighting in Afganistan almost three times longer than the entire European campains of WWII? If we followed Napoleon's philosophy, we would have been out of there 5 years ago with total victory at a tenth the cost in American lives. But because we're so enlightened that we can't stand to see war in high def we've dragged it out so long that we're now broke and utterly spent operationally. We as a nation don't even pay attention to it anymore or if we do we "dehumanize" our enemy through the lens of a drone's smart bomb. If we accept the tenant that we will never eradicate violence than we have doomed ourselves to a prolonged and nightmarish decline in which we rationalize more and more things to avoid having to deal with the harsh reality that is war and we increasingly put ourselves at the mercy of those who don't.

cranemech
10-23-2011, 10:38 AM
Humanity is getting smarter? I just have one thing to say to that: People of Walmart. This guy must be on some powerful voodoo sh**.

It's one thing to be optimistic but I believe that most people are willfully ignorant of human nature. I might agree that right now things seem reletivly calm but I'd attribute that more to the industrial revolution and the over abundance of food and goods that 100 years would be considered luxury items but are now considered neccessaties for daily life. You take away fast food and watch how peacefull these "enlightened geniuses" become. As demand for natural resources rises and the supply diminishes with no ready alternatives we're in for some wild times that'll make the Dark Ages look like the Renaissance.



This isn't a good thing. Napoleon said "If you wage war, do it energetically and with severity. This is the only way to make it shorter and consequently less inhuman." Does anyone realize that we have been fighting in Afganistan almost three times longer than the entire European campains of WWII? If we followed Napoleon's philosophy, we would have been out of there 5 years ago with total victory at a tenth the cost in American lives. But because we're so enlightened that we can't stand to see war in high def we've dragged it out so long that we're now broke and utterly spent operationally. We as a nation don't even pay attention to it anymore or if we do we "dehumanize" our enemy through the lens of a drone's smart bomb. If we accept the tenant that we will never eradicate violence than we have doomed ourselves to a prolonged and nightmarish decline in which we rationalize more and more things to avoid having to deal with the harsh reality that is war and we increasingly put ourselves at the mercy of those who don't.


Very good points.

I've been saying basically the same thing for a while, just not as eloquently.

CessnaDriver
10-23-2011, 10:46 AM
I do agree, much has gotten far better, for a specfic reason...

No democracy has made war on another.

So with the rapid spread of democracy globally, since only 100 years ago, we
do have positive results.

That being the case, we must aggressivly support freedom.
Why I think the wars we are fighting in the middle east matter, is that, if we allow radical islam to dictate the course of human history instead of free peoples, things will move backwards again.

We have turned all but a blind eye to China. This is where I think things could turn south swiftly as well.


So where I do recognize that things have gotten far better and the trend overall is good, I also recognize they can go south again as long as there are nations that are not free that could support global conflict.

calmedic
10-23-2011, 10:48 AM
I don't think you can completely dismiss this. I do believe violence is in our blood and we will probably never over come that. But i think globalization (hate it or not) is really starting to bring everyone closer together in that most people around the world are against full on war. I agree with the article in that the more educated the world becomes the less violent we will be. The only places where you see real aggression in the world are the poverty stricken places like Africa and the Middle East. This i think has a lot to do with the fact that the people in these places have no access to education or the outside world and are never taught to really think for themselves. This world is far from perfect, but that shouldn't keep you from being optimistic.

This is pretty dangerous thinking. The whole progressive idea that "educated and civilized man" is non-violent just protects those who wish to manipulate and rule through regulation and control, by demonizing anyone who would react violently to their ideas. Don't let them neuter you, logic and reason are wonderful things but there is a time and place for that "caveman reaction" this is wrong/bad/dangerous and I'm gonna eliminate/stop/destroy it. Don't let 'em take your caveman!

bsg
10-23-2011, 11:40 AM
good to know it's all good. i'll stop watching all those silly zombie shows and doomsday documentaries now, and get back to SpongeBob.

cavemanlrrp
10-23-2011, 11:57 AM
Old Russian proverb;

"If you become sheep, the wolves will eat you."

Best
caveman

nyj09
10-23-2011, 2:31 PM
Humanity is getting smarter? I just have one thing to say to that: People of Walmart. This guy must be on some powerful voodoo sh**.

It's one thing to be optimistic but I believe that most people are willfully ignorant of human nature. I might agree that right now things seem reletivly calm but I'd attribute that more to the industrial revolution and the over abundance of food and goods that 100 years would be considered luxury items but are now considered neccessaties for daily life. You take away fast food and watch how peacefull these "enlightened geniuses" become. As demand for natural resources rises and the supply diminishes with no ready alternatives we're in for some wild times that'll make the Dark Ages look like the Renaissance.



This isn't a good thing. Napoleon said "If you wage war, do it energetically and with severity. This is the only way to make it shorter and consequently less inhuman." Does anyone realize that we have been fighting in Afganistan almost three times longer than the entire European campains of WWII? If we followed Napoleon's philosophy, we would have been out of there 5 years ago with total victory at a tenth the cost in American lives. But because we're so enlightened that we can't stand to see war in high def we've dragged it out so long that we're now broke and utterly spent operationally. We as a nation don't even pay attention to it anymore or if we do we "dehumanize" our enemy through the lens of a drone's smart bomb. If we accept the tenant that we will never eradicate violence than we have doomed ourselves to a prolonged and nightmarish decline in which we rationalize more and more things to avoid having to deal with the harsh reality that is war and we increasingly put ourselves at the mercy of those who don't.

People "getting smarter" and people getting "more educated" are two TOTALLY different things. Just getting a piece of paper doesnt make you "smarter" than someone else... some of the biggest morons I know (and don't know - see occupy wall street) have college degrees (including masters and doctorates). Full disclosure here, I'm a college student, pre-med with a 3.6 GPA, and I don't consider myself smart at all, but I know MANY college students who think their s*it don't stink and people that don't go to college are toothless hillbillies.

All I know is that I would much rather associate myself with someone who is "uneducated", but posses common sense than a constitutional law professor who graduate with a J.D. from Harvard...

Kid Stanislaus
10-23-2011, 3:12 PM
Sweet, now I can sell the SHTF Rambo tank and invest in not for profit a tie-dye venture.

HALLELUJAH!! You've seen the light!!:rolleyes:

Kid Stanislaus
10-23-2011, 3:14 PM
So when the economy is good earthquakes stop and everyone always gets along?

Capitalism is a wonderful thing!!:rolleyes:

Ripon83
10-23-2011, 3:30 PM
Really? If I tune on the main stream media and their pleasant little wall street protest I'm lead to believe its the root of all evil and killing it now will save millions of lives etc etc etc.....:oji:


Capitalism is a wonderful thing!!:rolleyes:

JackOfBlades
10-23-2011, 5:15 PM
This is pretty dangerous thinking. The whole progressive idea that "educated and civilized man" is non-violent just protects those who wish to manipulate and rule through regulation and control, by demonizing anyone who would react violently to their ideas. Don't let them neuter you, logic and reason are wonderful things but there is a time and place for that "caveman reaction" this is wrong/bad/dangerous and I'm gonna eliminate/stop/destroy it. Don't let 'em take your caveman!

You have a very good point and i agree with you that in some situations violence is the only response. But I feel that most problems can be solved non-violently if enough people are determined to do it that way. Look at MLK and the civil rights movement. It achieved a lot with the approach of being non-violent when it could have easily been violent.

JAGACIDA
10-24-2011, 3:05 PM
One nuclear attack and the dynamics change completely, Really? Isn't that where it's all heading.

cannon
10-24-2011, 3:30 PM
I think I'll keep my preps and if there is an earthquake. I'll be eating just fine.

stix213
10-24-2011, 4:40 PM
The guy is correct when it comes to war deaths, but I'd attribute that more to the invention of the A-bomb than any touchy feely cause the author is promoting. There hasn't been a Total War since the nuke got on the scene, and that helped keep the Cold War, well cold.

seanbo
10-24-2011, 6:32 PM
WTS: Rambo tank and grooovee tie-dye cloths and cloth things.

BlueVue
10-24-2011, 11:21 PM
I completely believe that the world is a less violent place than it has ever been. And a lot of that, I think, is due to advances in technology. Better agriculture, energy, medicine, logistics, etc... It's hard to kill other people when you've got a mouthful of Twinkies.

The flip side of that is we're suddenly much more vulnerable to some ways than before. I doubt we'll have a famine in the US in our lifetimes, but on the flip side, a major solar storm could ruin us if it took out a good chunk of our power grid, wiped out GPS, and the cell phones with it. The same event might not even have been noticed by your grandmother in her day.