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Markinsac
10-21-2011, 11:09 AM
This was printed in the Opinions pages on Thursday. Considering the normal leanings of the paper, I thought it was a good article.

http://www.sacbee.com/2011/10/20/3990083/in-the-absence-of-safety-training.html

Viewpoints: In the absence of safety training, guns could make you less safe
Special to The Bee
Published Thursday, Oct. 20, 2011

If you own a gun, or decide you may need one, please invest in the best firearms training course you can find, because it's better to be safe than sorry … for everyone. See you at the range.


Rick Reed, former anchor for KFBK Newstalk 1530, is president of Rick Reed Public Relations & Advertising.

Read more: http://www.sacbee.com/2011/10/20/3990083/in-the-absence-of-safety-training.html#ixzz1bReJQbmH

Please do not post whole articles - see http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=363956

Typically, one (short) paragraph and a link is low-risk.

See the stickies http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=394912
Web sites are being sued even with reasonable legal protections in place.

As useful and appropriate as this is, still can't reproduce the whole thing without permission.

// Librarian

Clownpuncher
10-21-2011, 11:48 AM
Good article. I actually agree with it. Seems like he is pretty much saying what most of us believe. Crime is going to rise with the economy the way it is and you should have a gun to defend yourself. A person who is smart enough to realize this should also be smart enough to realize you need training for the weapon.

fortytwo
10-21-2011, 11:55 AM
I'm astonished the bee actually printed that.

big red
10-21-2011, 12:14 PM
It is nice to see a responsible article come out on our side that does not get bogged down in the second amendment argument but talks about the reality of every day life and owning a gun. Not once did he talk about taking away a right but about being responsible about the "right" and doing the right thing. i would love to see more articles like this coming out as guns are being sold in record numbers in California and will continue to be regardless of state laws.

choprzrul
10-21-2011, 12:33 PM
Refreshing, good material, thoughtfully presented.

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Damn True
10-21-2011, 12:39 PM
Gonna go out on a limb and guess that the op/ed will not be reprinted in the San Jose Merc or SF Comical

mag360
10-21-2011, 12:50 PM
Yeah I was pretty impressed when I read that in the paper. I feel like writing them just to thank them for printing it! First good thing I've read in regards to gun ownership in the bee in the 4 years I've been reading it daily.

aklover_91
10-21-2011, 1:22 PM
Awful lot of people could end up being upset if this article is reprinted in other papers (not in Sac) and they find out that even if they take that course or a comparable one, they still probably won't be getting an LTC.

Markinsac
10-21-2011, 3:18 PM
Please do not post whole articles - see http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=363956

Typically, one (short) paragraph and a link is low-risk.

See the stickies http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=394912
Web sites are being sued even with reasonable legal protections in place.

As useful and appropriate as this is, still can't reproduce the whole thing without permission.

// Librarian

Sorry about that - I had put in the whole item, then put in the link with the intention of removing the rest. Didn't proofread it after submission.

mag360
10-21-2011, 5:27 PM
@aklover91 - that's a good thing. The more people upset about lack of shall issue the better across this state.

PhoenixDemon
10-21-2011, 6:48 PM
Rick Reed is a very reasonable guy. He and I have discussed concealed carry a lot. He will be attending my Defensive Pistol/CCW course through Resolute Security Group very soon. As for the article he has expressed to me that he wants to get it into more papers to spread the word about CCW's and training. He's one of the few people from the media that really "get's it" about the whole CCW issue. Expect more from Rick in the near future.

Kid Stanislaus
10-21-2011, 7:27 PM
Crime is going to rise with the economy the way it is and you should have a gun to defend yourself.

Crime is not caused by economic conditions. Crime is caused by individuals who make a decision to engage in a criminal act. Their economic condition in no way justifies such a decision.

Andy Taylor
10-21-2011, 7:30 PM
Awful lot of people could end up being upset if this article is reprinted in other papers (not in Sac) and they find out that even if they take that course or a comparable one, they still probably won't be getting an LTC.

All the more reason to get it printed elsewhere.

aklover_91
10-21-2011, 7:34 PM
Crime is not caused by economic conditions. Crime is caused by individuals who make a decision to engage in a criminal act. Their economic condition in no way justifies such a decision.

No, it doesn't "justify it" in that it doesn't make it right. That doesn't change the fact that more people can and will make questionable decisions the harder gets harder to make ends meet with legitimate employment.

Andy Taylor
10-21-2011, 7:38 PM
Crime is not caused by economic conditions. Crime is caused by individuals who make a decision to engage in a criminal act. Their economic condition in no way justifies such a decision.

You are correct, in that it does not justify such actions. However economic conditions can cause those who might be on the fence about commiting crimes, more likely to commit crimes as they feel they have a greater need (real or imagined) and the smaller LE presence that accompanies the economic downturn, makes them percieve crime as less risky.

6172crew
10-21-2011, 7:39 PM
Crime is not caused by economic conditions. Crime is caused by individuals who make a decision to engage in a criminal act. Their economic condition in no way justifies such a decision.

Come now, haven't you seen Trading Places with Eddie Murphy?

On a serious note, I do think that with no summer jobs available for kids and no winter jobs for dad who needs to buy the GI Joe with the Kungfoo grip we do see more petty crimes like vehicle break ins, robbery, etc.

Maybe a Cop will chime in to tell us who is right/wrong.

Liberty1
10-21-2011, 7:40 PM
The article mentions a gun in a woman's purse went off killing her...interesting comments in this link about that story:

http://ohhshoot.blogspot.com/2011/08/19-year-old-accidentally-shoots-kills.html?m=1

thebronze
10-21-2011, 8:29 PM
The article mentions a gun in a woman's purse went off killing her...interesting comments in this link about that story:

http://ohhshoot.blogspot.com/2011/08/19-year-old-accidentally-shoots-kills.html?m=1

Very interesting. I didn't hear anything about this story when it happened. Hmmmm...

briguy73
10-21-2011, 8:57 PM
I was out of town yesterday and got home today with this article cut out of the paper by my wife who is somewhat anti... Can't wait for her to get home and ask what she thought of it. She is all for having a gun for home protection, but insists it remain unloaded in the safe... WHAT??? Don't even get me started on her opinion of my LTC!!! No sense at all! Hope her opinion was swayed at least a little by this!

big red
10-21-2011, 10:33 PM
I tell people if they want to be anti-gun and debate it with me then go out and take the gun safety course and pass it. Don't buy a gun or anything and then we can debate it. Nothing worse than arguing with an ignorant person. I have a solid anti gun person who is changing her mind now that crime is getting worse in her part of Sacramento and the cops are seen less. i have known her six years and this is the first time I have had her ask me about costs of learning about how to use a firearm. People are changing their minds slowly.