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RobGR
10-17-2011, 5:25 PM
Initially I thought it was the FN FAL. However, the first FALs did not use poly furniture, at least not until 1958 and that was on a variant, the StG 58.

Would Eugene Stoner 's AR-10 with fiberglass pistol grip, handguard, and buttstock of 1955 be considered the first black rifle?

Just a matter of interest, not trying to get in a heated debate.

The criteria of the first black rifle would be the use and introduction of synthetic material, replacing traditional wood furniture?

HighLander51
10-17-2011, 5:43 PM
Probably consider the Colt SP1 the first black rifle.

1911su16b870
10-17-2011, 6:25 PM
byf41 P08 Luger aka black widow with Bakelite furniture, with it's shoulder stock would be the first black sbr

www.nramuseum.com/.../mauser-p08-luger-black-widow-semi-automatic- pistol.aspx

Tank 57
10-17-2011, 6:43 PM
I'd go with AR-15.AR-10 had synthetic furniture but it wasn't black.

HighLander51
10-17-2011, 6:47 PM
byf41 P08 Luger aka black widow with Bakelite furniture, with it's shoulder stock would be the first black sbr

www.nramuseum.com/.../mauser-p08-luger-black-widow-semi-automatic- pistol.aspx

Well, except it's not a rifle caliber...

1911su16b870
10-17-2011, 7:26 PM
So we are defining rifles based on a rifle cartridge? :confused: :D

Ubermcoupe
10-17-2011, 7:34 PM
The first thing that pops into my head when I hear black rifle is an AR looking rifle. :shrug:

smle-man
10-17-2011, 7:47 PM
The Brits and Canadians attempted plastic furniture for the #4 Lee Enfield in WW2. The BAR used a plastic/bakalite butt stock at the end of WW2. Do they count?

mosinnagantm9130
10-17-2011, 8:17 PM
Some German G/K 43s had Durofol handguards. Thats the first standard use synthetic that I know of on a rifle.

RobGR
10-17-2011, 8:47 PM
byf41 P08 Luger aka black widow with Bakelite furniture, with it's shoulder stock would be the first black sbr

www.nramuseum.com/.../mauser-p08-luger-black-widow-semi-automatic- pistol.aspx

Good point. The MP40 also had a bakelite grip but fired a handgun caliber. Looked up the MGs, which used a rifle cartridge, but their stocks were wood.

RobGR
10-17-2011, 8:54 PM
Some German G/K 43s had Durofol handguards. Thats the first standard use synthetic that I know of on a rifle.

Tried finding pics but they were made in such limited numbers from what I just read, that it'll be hard to find anything. Please post if you have a source. Curious about this.

RobGR
10-17-2011, 8:56 PM
The Brits and Canadians attempted plastic furniture for the #4 Lee Enfield in WW2. The BAR used a plastic/bakalite butt stock at the end of WW2. Do they count?

I would say so. The bakelite buttstock may have been one of the first, most were wooden laminate. BAR in all black?

EDIT: Okay, found plenty of pics on BARs with bakelite stocks but the handguards were always wood.

Stonewalker
10-17-2011, 11:15 PM
I vote for the STG44.

dalriaden
10-17-2011, 11:35 PM
remington nylon 66 22 seems to have been produced around 1959.
it seems the nazi's had bakelite stocks made for mausers and kar-98's
http://lmd-militaria.com/k98k_resin_stock_1-212.jpg
Not black though
http://images.wikia.com/guns/images/c/c1/TKB-022.jpg
They had a plastic housing,

thedrickel
10-18-2011, 12:56 AM
http://www.operatorchan.org/k/arch/src/k190707_stg44.jpg

ivanimal
10-18-2011, 1:07 AM
Daisy?

http://www.daisy.com/graphics/history_rights_sm.jpg

RobGR
10-18-2011, 12:19 PM
Daisy?

http://www.daisy.com/graphics/history_rights_sm.jpg

"You'll shoot your eye out!"

Okay, okay, point taken, it was a rifle. My first rifle was a Daisy at least, don't even remember what the furniture was though. My 22/410 single shot over-under definitely had a wood stock though.

mosinnagantm9130
10-18-2011, 4:00 PM
Tried finding pics but they were made in such limited numbers from what I just read, that it'll be hard to find anything. Please post if you have a source. Curious about this.

http://picturearchive.gunauction.com/4259114621/5646676/GUNS%20024.jpg

I believe it was used mostly on duv coded rifles.

bloodhawke83
10-18-2011, 4:28 PM
Saiga 7.62x39, 2011
Spikes M4 zombie killer AR-15 5.56x45, 2011

RobGR
10-28-2011, 3:46 PM
remington nylon 66 22 seems to have been produced around 1959.
it seems the nazi's had bakelite stocks made for mausers and kar-98's
http://lmd-militaria.com/k98k_resin_stock_1-212.jpg
Not black though
http://images.wikia.com/guns/images/c/c1/TKB-022.jpg
They had a plastic housing,

Those bullpups are pretty damned interesting. Thanks for posting.