So, is any real progress being made in CA

[gcrtkd]

Hi All--

My first post here. I've been lurking around and reading calguns.net & packing.org for over a year and I'm trying to figure out if any real progress has been made with respect to gun laws in CA. Obviously there was effort put into keeping things from slipping backwards by fending off the complete gun ban in San Francisco, but are we actually moving forward at all? Is the NRA accomplishing anything? Are we ever going to have objective, statewide standards for law-abiding citizens to have access to CCW protection? This county-by-county horse manure is really a bunch of boloney. Does anyone here ever actually contact their local and state political representatives to tell them that legal access to firearms and CCW are important issues to them, influencing the way they vote? We really need to convince them that providing for the rights of law-abiding gun owners won't turn cities in CA into Dodge City. (That's not to say that people don't get shot in the street as it is already.)

It seems like we have a bunch of websites (this one, packing, crpa.org, etc.) with a bunch of people who would like to see changes, but very little in the way of actual change. What's going on out there? Let's shake and bake people. Let's tell state and local politicians that we're sick of this **** and their political future is in our hands!

[Anthonysmanifesto]

If the criteria rests solely on unifomr CCW approvals throughout the 58 counties, then I would say no, their wont be much progress.

The 58 Sheriff's unique ability to approve CCW's is not a power the CA State Sheriffs Association is going to willingly surrender.

it also begs the question, what would an anti-gun legislature and governor do with a statewide CCW law? I shudder at the thought.

If one's criteria was a bigger picture, and you account for the voters being generally hostile to our cause, then Id say we are currently holding our own and seeing a positive re-surgence in grassroots morale, education, and activity.

there is only one organized and politically educated grassroots body statewide and that is the NRA's Members Councils.

It's A great place to start for someone who is looking to be an informed and disciplined activist.

[damon1272]

I think you need to do some more reading of this site to see some of the great things that were accomplished by some of the members of the site last year.

[aklover_91]

I think you need to do some more reading of this site to see some of the great things that were accomplished by some of the members of the site last year.
+1

A short while ago EBR's were almost no where to be seen here, and now everyone and his grandma seems to be running around with an AR or an AK.

[hoffmang]

We've rolled back much of the AW ban here. I think that is progress.

-Gene

[Richard]

We've rolled back much of the AW ban here. I think that is progress.

-Gene

+1.....major steps since 11/05:)

[NSR500]

Review our 2006 NRA End of Session Record and I think we're doing good in California. .02

[rorschach]

I'm trying to figure out if any real progress has been made with respect to gun laws in CA.

Considering in 2005 most of us thought we would never be able to own black rifles again in California.... I would say there has been much progress.

A year ago if someone had told me I would finally be able to own an HK rifle clone in PRK, I would have **** myself. Now I have several clones, a couple of genuine HK's and some PTR receivers begging to be built into beltfed and sniper variants. Not to mention the obligatory AR's, AK's and FAL I have redlined my Visa on.

[Paladin]

Are we ever going to have objective, statewide standards for law-abiding citizens to have access to CCW protection? This county-by-county horse manure is really a bunch of boloney.In some midwestern states, which have a much more pro-2nd A culture, it took 10 years of fighting to pass Shall Issue RTC. Don't expect CA to take less than that. Having said that, 9 months ago www.californiaccw.org started and in that time we've grown to almost 1,000 members. Right now the focus is on increasing awareness that CA is May Issue, not No Issue (you'd be surprised how many shooters don't realize that); increasing membership to have an statewide network in place to influence the 2010 sheriffs races; and increasing applications and issuance in "reasonable issue" counties. What the NRA did to the nation over the past 2 decades (http://www.gun-nuttery.com/rtc.php) is what we hope to do within CA over the next several years (starting with http://www.californiaconcealedcarry.com/counties/countiesmap.html and slowly turning yellows to greens and a few reds to yellow all the while keeping greens green).

Remember: many people w/CCWs issued in OC, Kern, or wherever visit or vacation in the major metropolitian "no issue" counties. Sooner or later some OC or rural CCW'er is going to successfully defend themselves in downtown SF or LA and it will make the news. A lot of SF and LA residents will then start pressuring their sheriffs asking why can't they defend themselves in their own counties.

But I don't expect the fight in Sacto to begin at least 5 years.

[anotherone]

Allow me to summarize:

Because the gun grabbers could not directly inact laws to outright ban guns in California they created a sophisticated web of laws which in effect create a "Nation within a nation". Only recently have California gun owners fully caught on to this and began to master this little game. As it turns out, state workers and legislators who only work 9-5 a few days of the week banning guns are no match for millions of gun owners who work 24/7 365 days a year finding new and creative lawful ways to bring them into the state.