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nickel_1022
10-15-2011, 1:20 PM
Okay so I've narrowed it down to these last two brands. With a $1500 budget lots of people are saying to go with the DD. What about the Spikes?
The price seemed lower, is it a lower quality AR or what? Please help, I'd really like a good quality AR with quad rail and optics. Is the DD the best for my budget? Also is the front sights gonna get in the way of optics later?

roushstage2
10-15-2011, 1:25 PM
Do you want to wait two months for a Spikes? I was thinking about ordering a Spikes, but don't feel like waiting two months for it after I buy it. If not, go with DD.

For $1,500, there is also Bravo Company.

nickel_1022
10-15-2011, 1:34 PM
one of the local shops here had a few in stock last week as well as the DD V1. It would be great to get a good AR for less $ but this is a one time buy and the budget I think is enough for a quality AR.

Sonic_mike
10-15-2011, 1:46 PM
http://www.sacramentoblackrifle.com/products/daniel-defense-m4-carbine-v5-no-sights

http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0069/5622/products/DA-08037-NS_medium.jpg?101750

MrPlink
10-15-2011, 1:48 PM
both are good, but Id pick DD

Agent Tikki
10-15-2011, 2:32 PM
Damn for 1500 id go for noveske.

integraracer157
10-15-2011, 3:02 PM
I have a few AR's, My next is going to be a Noveske. Im really not happy with my DD. I beleave i even had it for sale on here. Might of been my RRA. For the price i paid for my DD, i wish id gotten the ruger.

tanakasan
10-15-2011, 3:10 PM
Do you want to wait two months for a Spikes? I was thinking about ordering a Spikes, but don't feel like waiting two months for it after I buy it. If not, go with DD.

For $1,500, there is also Bravo Company.

Brownell's has the complete lowers and Primary Arms has the uppers...both in stock for now.

Robert

uxo2
10-15-2011, 3:26 PM
i got this upper http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=XSTU9540VTX&name=Spikes+Tactical+14.5%22+Elite+CHF+Vortex+5.56 %2f.223+NiB+BCG+Upper+Receiver&groupid=6
mounted on a Spikes lower......:thumbsup:

G38xOC
10-15-2011, 3:57 PM
nice upper

gunsarefun
10-15-2011, 4:19 PM
Go with spikes and use the money you saved over the dd for optics or a rail.

Colt-45
10-15-2011, 4:21 PM
Daniel Defense all the way.

evidens83
10-15-2011, 4:24 PM
DD.

Noah3683
10-15-2011, 6:51 PM
Daniel Defense, but Spikes is in no way bad. If you do Spikes, I would get one of the elite uppers from aimsurplus as noted above, (they use FN M249 barrel blanks) and then get the spikes lower. At that point you will be approaching the cost of Daniel Defense anyway if you are going to add a rail.. so. If you are in SoCal, Turner's has been running deals on DD lately in the $1200-$1300 range. Not my favorite dealer, but still a good deal

CK_32
10-15-2011, 7:21 PM
I say build. With $1500 off the bad you can build one bad as* rifle set up EXACTLY how you want it.

So I vote neither.

LAWABIDINGCITIZEN
10-15-2011, 7:30 PM
Im really not happy with my DD.

What's up with your DD? Was is just the price or are there some issues with it?

hotfire
10-15-2011, 7:31 PM
I got my spikes upper from aim surplus and it was a nice deal. Spikes makes really great rifles and with the money you save getting a spikes upper, you can use for ammo or accessories.

Reductio
10-15-2011, 8:54 PM
Don't forget you're gonna need to spend several hundred on ammo too....

FourLoko
10-15-2011, 9:06 PM
Go with spikes and use the money you saved over the dd for optics or a rail.

this

and/or ammo

Vinrx7
10-15-2011, 10:35 PM
Noveske, bcm or dd.
You would be real lucky if you get a spikes in 2 months. I waited 3 months for one then threw in the towel and went for a Noveske. Best move I ever made. Yeah it was almost double in price but you get what you pay for.

RRichie09
10-15-2011, 10:40 PM
Noveske > BCM and DD if Noveske has the configuration you want.

I second the vote for you to build your own, that is if you are mechanically inclined.

d1eSELxxxx
10-15-2011, 11:37 PM
DD is great but so is Spikes. I got a mid upper and only waited a business week and im sure the lowers arent as scarce, but that was summer last year. I guess there is a huge wait time. To give you an idea how mine works, I have had about 3-5 ftf's in over about 1000rnds. And as soon as I lubed up the feed ramps, it would stop the ftf's for the rest of the stay. I've even shot Tulammo and never had an ftf with it. But my Spikes seems to love PMC Bronze and Federal.

I have a Spikes mid upper on a Mega lower and fits like a glove and not really any color difference. Matches perfect. So my choice would be Spikes if it was available. But mabe the huge wait time might get you a nice ar and have money to save for and optic and/or rail, ammo. Try lookin at Bravo company and see what they have.

MrExel17
10-15-2011, 11:39 PM
With that budget go with either building one or get a Noveske!

The Killer Sandwich
10-15-2011, 11:40 PM
DD is great, not too much experience with Spike's.. but that logo bugs me haha

d1eSELxxxx
10-15-2011, 11:47 PM
DD is great, not too much experience with Spike's.. but that logo bugs me haha

why? you afraid of spiders?? hahaha

FourLoko
10-16-2011, 12:13 AM
holy craps, in stock, look no further

https://www.primaryarms.com/Spike_s_Tactical_16_Inch_Midlength_LE_Upper_p/spkstu5035.htm

uxo2
10-16-2011, 8:44 AM
i got this upper http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=XSTU9540VTX&name=Spikes+Tactical+14.5%22+Elite+CHF+Vortex+5.56 %2f.223+NiB+BCG+Upper+Receiver&groupid=6
mounted on a Spikes lower......:thumbsup:


I went this way because it was easier to get it a part at a
time compared to dumping it all at once.

Also AIM has them instock...longest part was the man in brown delivering it.


Now I have a matching rifle set up the way I want it.
That Boron BCG is slick

Now waiting for a Zombie lower to become available.
http://www.riflegear.com/p-923-spikes-tactical-zombie-stripped-lower-receiver-with-color-fill.aspx
:18:

Sunday
10-16-2011, 10:58 AM
BCM !!!

roushstage2
10-16-2011, 12:13 PM
holy craps, in stock, look no further

https://www.primaryarms.com/Spike_s_Tactical_16_Inch_Midlength_LE_Upper_p/spkstu5035.htm
Good stuff! Sacramento Black Rifle has the carbine length in stock, but that's it.

2600fromAtari
10-16-2011, 12:21 PM
This:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=482987

The spec are equal to if not better than the DD or the Spikes (and i have a DD carbine). You also have the BUIS and optics thrown in already. If I didn't already have ARs, I'd jump on this.

bloodhawke83
10-16-2011, 12:28 PM
you can build a nice spikes for around 1300, you can cut it down a bit but i wanted some high end parts.

ZX-10R
10-16-2011, 12:36 PM
DD all day...I am considering an AR build in the future and Spikes is on the list.

Albinogiant
10-16-2011, 12:43 PM
As has been said you get what you pay for. With a $1500 budget I was able to build a a BCM with a DD middy rail and Eotech. But if you're sold on Spikes or DD, I'd go Daniel Defense.
As for front sight quetions, you can:
1. go with a flattop gas block or longer rail system to accommodate a removable front sight.
2. Co-witness with a red dot holo etc.
or
3. Purchase a riser to put your optic above or on the upper 1/3 portion of the front sight.

It all boils down to personal preference. Whichever you choose, best of luck.

Superbri
10-16-2011, 12:43 PM
I have a Noveske 14" and a Spikes mid-length 16", never had a problem with either. Noveske is a little nicer but cost almost twice as much as my Spikes. Both shoot the same as far as accuracy (the rifles are both more accurate than I can shoot). Overall you can't beat spikes for the price, I picked up my mid-length for around $800.

tanakasan
10-16-2011, 1:25 PM
holy craps, in stock, look no further

https://www.primaryarms.com/Spike_s_Tactical_16_Inch_Midlength_LE_Upper_p/spkstu5035.htm

Thats what I got...ordered last tues/weds, will be here this tues. Looked and was out of stock, but got an email saying they were now back in stock.

DD might be a better setup, I have no experience with them, but the Spikes seems like a good deal on a good rifle.

Robert

donking
10-16-2011, 1:36 PM
Go with spikes and use the money you saved over the dd for optics or a rail.

:iagree:

donking
10-16-2011, 1:38 PM
I have a Noveske 14" and a Spikes mid-length 16", never had a problem with either. Noveske is a little nicer but cost almost twice as much as my Spikes. Both shoot the same as far as accuracy (the rifles are both more accurate than I can shoot). Overall you can't beat spikes for the price, I picked up my mid-length for around $800.

Same here. For the price it is hard to beat Spikes.
:cool2:

The Killer Sandwich
10-16-2011, 8:16 PM
why? you afraid of spiders?? hahaha

Nope, if you really want to know why it bugs me you can PM me... it's not the spider its whats hidden in it :P

ExtremeX
10-16-2011, 8:18 PM
Build ur own.

Ill never buy another commercially made AR.

uxo2
10-16-2011, 8:35 PM
Build ur own.

Ill never buy another commercially made AR.

definetly BIY...

Also...Forgot these guys.

http://www.riflegear.com/c-99-riflegear-uppers.aspx

They have uppers all MPI and HP tested and lowers ...

ExtremeX
10-16-2011, 8:42 PM
Building an AR sounds a lot more complicated than it really is. Its actually stupid simple.

I can knock out a lower in 30 min on my dining room table. The upper is the harder part, if you don't have the tools, just buy an upper that fits your budget, or get a store like parallax tactical to help you...

I like building just because I know whats going inside. I get to pick barrel, twist, handguards, stock, grip, everything... + you learn a little something about your rifle. I also find it fun.

REPR
10-17-2011, 8:49 AM
Building an AR sounds a lot more complicated than it really is. Its actually stupid simple.

I can knock out a lower in 30 min on my dining room table. The upper is the harder part, if you don't have the tools, just buy an upper that fits your budget, or get a store like parallax tactical to help you...

I like building just because I know whats going inside. I get to pick barrel, twist, handguards, stock, grip, everything... + you learn a little something about your rifle. I also find it fun.

This right here combined with http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=XSTU9540VTX&name=Spikes+Tactical+14.5%22+Elite+CHF+Vortex+5.56 %2f.223+NiB+BCG+Upper+Receiver&groupid=6

ExtremeX
10-17-2011, 9:06 AM
That's not bad, but for around 600 I was able to build a similar upper with a 1:8 twist Stainless steel barrel from blackhole weaponry, free-floated hangduards, BCM charging handle, Nickel Boron BCG, and a RRA muzzle device.

Either way, so many good options out there. After building I get yet to see a factory AR that's EXACTLY what I wanted.

Knife Edge
10-17-2011, 9:09 AM
I have a DD upper and a Spikes lower on something else. My only complaint with Spikes is the finish is weak at best (who cares).

r3dtitan
10-17-2011, 10:11 AM
i was going with spikes because its the cheaper of the two and the quality is just as good but i dont know if i can wait months just to get my upper from them. i keep hearing the waiting period is close to 2 months. all im looking for is a standard 14.5 midlength with an a2x fh with a standard front sight post. if all else fails then theirs always bcm as well

Noah3683
10-17-2011, 5:38 PM
Nope, if you really want to know why it bugs me you can PM me... it's not the spider its whats hidden in it :P

ah yes the phallic symbols I suppose I think it's stupid myself, but admittedly it bothers the crap out of me since someone pointed it out lol. You can't help but notice, but I do think it's totally coincidental

Noah3683
10-17-2011, 6:01 PM
This:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=482987

The spec are equal to if not better than the DD or the Spikes (and i have a DD carbine). You also have the BUIS and optics thrown in already. If I didn't already have ARs, I'd jump on this.That's a pretty tough sell considering A. we don't know who's actually assembling them, B. These products haven't been on the market long enough to extensively prove their quality. C. FN makes barrels to whatever specs a customer orders, it's not as simple as hey it's an FN barrel. D. although their customer service is great, QC has been somewhat spotty. Daniel Defense is a known entity and you know fully where the stuff is coming from. Spike's seems to be pretty stringent in their QC process as well. Could it be as good as?.... sure, Could it be better??? of course. Now is it? I doubt it, at least based on the qc records. I still think it's one hell of a bargain though

2600fromAtari
10-17-2011, 7:31 PM
a) Palmetto.
b) Agreed.
c) Twist rate is given, barrel profile is given, CMV chrome lined barrel. What are you looking for? You think we're going to have a Century/Lancaster incident with the 5.45 barrels turning out to be 5.56? We can start questioning every bit of info a manufacturer gives us. I won't be that paranoid until they prove to be untrustworthy.
d) Agreed.
e) I've heard QC problems with Spike's on ar15.com as well. For basically $600, I'd take the "risk" without hesitation. No other fully assembled AR on the market comes close to this price point with the specs given.

That's a pretty tough sell considering A. we don't know who's actually assembling them, B. These products haven't been on the market long enough to extensively prove their quality. C. FN makes barrels to whatever specs a customer orders, it's not as simple as hey it's an FN barrel. D. although their customer service is great, QC has been somewhat spotty. Daniel Defense is a known entity and you know fully where the stuff is coming from. Spike's seems to be pretty stringent in their QC process as well. Could it be as good as?.... sure, Could it be better??? of course. Now is it? I doubt it, at least based on the qc records. I still think it's one hell of a bargain though

Noah3683
10-17-2011, 7:49 PM
I read that another mfg assembles them for palmetto. Yes spikes has definitely had issues before but seem to be majorly progressing. For the price of Palmetto, its near impossible to beat. The Palmetto logo is better. I was speaking more to chamber tolerances, gas port etc.... Not specifically material and twist, I guess it really just boils down to rep. Kinda hard to beat dd at that point but i would ultimately lean towards palmetto over spikes myself because it is at least $100 cheaper for comparable product. and doesn't appear to have 2 subliminal shaleigleighs in their logo lol

walletclan
10-17-2011, 8:06 PM
The omega rail on the DD is great.

bighead
10-17-2011, 8:13 PM
I would buy whatever is cheaper, its not going to make one ioda of effective difference their both great rifles.I promise noone can give one factual premise for why DD is better than Spikes or vice versa.The only thing you'll hear is logo preference the rest is top tier nonsense.

bloodhawke83
10-17-2011, 8:14 PM
For me, Spikes. I always seem to scratch the finish and why pay extra on a better finish when you're gonna ruin it anyways?

C_1
10-17-2011, 8:32 PM
DD>Spikes. But there is nothing wrong with Spikes.

bighead
10-17-2011, 10:17 PM
So how is DD better than Spikes?

inosaris
11-09-2011, 8:03 PM
I thought that this would be a relevant place to ask this question...

http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=XSTU9560&name=Spikes+Tactical+16%22+Elite+CHF+5.56%2f.223+U pper+Receiver

looks like a pretty great deal.

How does the DD barrel and upper from smartgunner compare to the spikes barrel/upper in the package above? (aside from the "optimum" profile vs government profile)

ZX-10R
11-10-2011, 5:07 PM
Daniel Defense all the way.

This.

My Daniel Defense has been awesome.

spoolinq
11-10-2011, 5:45 PM
in my biased opinion DD>spikes

CK_32
11-10-2011, 6:10 PM
Both great companies. I think dd has a slightly better lead over spikes.

21SF
11-11-2011, 7:43 AM
I have a few AR's, My next is going to be a Noveske. Im really not happy with my DD. I beleave i even had it for sale on here. Might of been my RRA. For the price i paid for my DD, i wish id gotten the ruger.

LOl, what!!?

Why are you not happy with your dd/ rra but think you would with a ruger...



ANYWAYS:

For the money you cant beat spikes, for 1500 you could have every bell and whistle possible.

Nickle boron BCG
NB FCG
BUIS
Rail

Everything!!!!!!!

All milspec too!

KaLiFORNIA
11-11-2011, 7:56 AM
lol at the spikes logo!

Noah3683
11-11-2011, 11:30 AM
lol at the spikes logo!

Shhh don't tell anyone lol........ And no people it's not the fact that its a spider that causes others to make fun of the spider

.40Cal
12-13-2011, 4:35 PM
I have a Noveske 14" and a Spikes mid-length 16", never had a problem with either. Noveske is a little nicer but cost almost twice as much as my Spikes. Both shoot the same as far as accuracy (the rifles are both more accurate than I can shoot). Overall you can't beat spikes for the price, I picked up my mid-length for around $800.

Exactly!
Same here. For the price it is hard to beat Spikes.
:cool2:

Exactly!


lol at the spikes logo!

Just ordered my Spikes. Will be here on 19th. Will let you know....

Brown Rock
12-13-2011, 6:46 PM
lol at the spikes logo!

:rofl:

UserM4
12-13-2011, 8:00 PM
RifleGear upper mated to a lower of your choice. It's basically a rebadged DD upper for only $599
http://www.riflegear.com/p-752-riflegear-16-midlength-chf-complete-upper.aspx

RG has their own stripped lowers now too. Rebadged Mega with a huge flared magwell and tension screw. $99
http://www.riflegear.com/p-1190-riflegear-aggressor-forged-stripped-lower-receiver.aspx

RAAK_FJ
12-13-2011, 8:52 PM
if your close to Sac or Rancho Cordova to be precise go to CORDOVA SHOOTING CENTER they have a sale going

http://www.cordovashootingcenter.com/SACRAMENTOGUNS.pdf

Daniel Defense V2 5.56 mm 16” SHORT omega rail, vertical grip ......... $1299
Daniel Defense V3 5.56 mm 16” 9” mid length omega rail, vertical grip ... $1299
Daniel Defense V4 5.56 mm 16” optic ready, omega rail, vertical grip ..... $1249
Daniel Defense V5 5.56 mm 16” optic ready, omega rail, vertical grip ..... $1299

cwin
12-13-2011, 8:55 PM
+1 for getting a Noveske, but between a DD or Spikes, I say DD.

fatkidjake
12-13-2011, 9:46 PM
Bought a Spike's 16" middy from Aim a year and a half ago, have put 1000's of rounds though it from Wolf to M855 and it does very well! I love it, even the logo (for the spider not the other...). Started with an upper then built a complete Splike lower to put it on. Only thing I need to finish it is a 9" SAR. Right now I am building a 20" and ordering an FN Palmetto upper. If Spike made one, I'd buy it. Have a friend with a DD, and he says he like's his Stag better :shrug:. But that's him, I've never shot one.

tanakasan
12-13-2011, 9:50 PM
At a price of $1300-1500...DD is preferable.

But the Spikes is hundreds less (I dare say almost half) for a very nice mil-spec rifle. No issues with mine at all so far. And the fit and finish is very good.

Comparing DD to Spikes is comparing upper tier with solid middle of the pack gear.

Robert