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SDM44
10-13-2011, 3:10 PM
Sorry if this is a repetitive post if it's been asked before, but I didn't find anything about the 2 together in my search.


I'm building an AR right now with a 14.7" barrel and pinned/welded A2 flash hider, on a 1:7 twist chrome-lined barrel. I plan to only shoot anywhere from 25 yards to 200 yards. I'm looking to order up a bulk supply of .223 FMJ 55gr ammo (1000 rounds). I've found a place where I've puchased ammo before having a sale, and I'm narrowed it down to 2 factory ammo brands.....

PMC .223 55gr FMJ (http://www.surplusammo.com/product_images/x/642/223_PMC__77612_zoom.JPG)
Federal American Eagle .223 55gr FMJ (http://www.surplusammo.com/product_images/s/419/AE223BL1__66725_zoom.JPG)


The PMC is only $20 cheaper, so price really isn't going to be a deciding factor. However, I've ran PMC a lot through my pistols and it's great in my Glock and 1911. But this is my first AR build and I'm new to the AR platform, so I'd hate to buy a lot of ammo and find it doesn't shoot that well in my rifle. But then I've also ran a lot of Federal ammo through my pistols and have never had any problems. I know that PMC is made in Korea and the Federal AE is made in the USA, but does that really make a difference?


Rather than just say "the AR will run anything, get whatever is cheaper..." do you have an opinion or suggestion between the PMC brand and the Federal AE brand in .223 for the AR?

tomd1584
10-13-2011, 3:13 PM
I'd get whatever's cheaper. both good ammo. Here's another deal for $0.29/shipped

http://slickguns.com/product/300-rounds-federal-american-eagle-bulk-223-rem-dry-box-9999

hardluck
10-13-2011, 3:17 PM
^+1 They are both good. Can't go wrong here

wash
10-13-2011, 3:41 PM
The PMC seems cleaner to me.

But what I would recommend is an upgrade to the PMC X-tac 62 grain. My ARs really like it and the price is good.

I don't know if it has the steel penetrator but the tips are painted green so I think so.

It's more accurate in my guns than the PMC bronze and XM193 that I have tried.

SDM44
10-13-2011, 3:44 PM
But what I would recommend is an upgrade to the PMC X-tac 62 grain. My ARs really like it and the price is good.

I don't know if it has the steel penetrator but the tips are painted green so I think so.


I looked at those and would have considered it. However, aren't there ranges that won't allow any type of steel core or steel penetrater / AP ammo?

Beelzy
10-13-2011, 4:00 PM
PMC, shoots where you aim, burns clean and the cases reload splendidly.

Sunday
10-13-2011, 4:05 PM
Which ever is cheaper.

wash
10-13-2011, 4:13 PM
I looked at those and would have considered it. However, aren't there ranges that won't allow any type of steel core or steel penetrater / AP ammo?
I've never been to an outdoor range that cared. But I'm in the SF bay area, it sounds like so-cal is weird that way.

When I started buying .223, PMC Bronze was the cheapest new ammo around so I bought a few cases. After X-tac came out, I'm regretting that purchase, I still have a few cases of Bronze but I want to buy more X-tac because I'm running out...

Richard Erichsen
10-13-2011, 4:19 PM
Sorry if this is a repetitive post if it's been asked before, but I didn't find anything about the 2 together in my search.


I'm building an AR right now with a 14.7" barrel and pinned/welded A2 flash hider, on a 1:7 twist chrome-lined barrel. I plan to only shoot anywhere from 25 yards to 200 yards. I'm looking to order up a bulk supply of .223 FMJ 55gr ammo (1000 rounds). I've found a place where I've puchased ammo before having a sale, and I'm narrowed it down to 2 factory ammo brands.....

PMC .223 55gr FMJ (http://www.surplusammo.com/product_images/x/642/223_PMC__77612_zoom.JPG)
Federal American Eagle .223 55gr FMJ (http://www.surplusammo.com/product_images/s/419/AE223BL1__66725_zoom.JPG)


The PMC is only $20 cheaper, so price really isn't going to be a deciding factor. However, I've ran PMC a lot through my pistols and it's great in my Glock and 1911. But this is my first AR build and I'm new to the AR platform, so I'd hate to buy a lot of ammo and find it doesn't shoot that well in my rifle. But then I've also ran a lot of Federal ammo through my pistols and have never had any problems. I know that PMC is made in Korea and the Federal AE is made in the USA, but does that really make a difference?


Rather than just say "the AR will run anything, get whatever is cheaper..." do you have an opinion or suggestion between the PMC brand and the Federal AE brand in .223 for the AR?

With any weapon you should be trying several brands of ammo to find the loading that works best for your rifle in terms of accuracy, clean powder burn and if you reload, ability to re-use it several times. Price fluctuates so much that what's cheapest this week may not be in a month from a particular vendor. It pays to shop around. There are ammo search engines that can help you.

R

esskay
10-13-2011, 4:26 PM
Both are good solid ammo. PMC is weaker, AE gives you more muzzle velocity. Neither is as hot as XM193.

Here are the velocities I got from them out of a 16" SS JP barrel:

(same session, 70 deg F)
PMC Bronze: 2762 fps, SD 28.4
AE223: 2912 fps, SD 9.6

(another session, 75 deg F)
AE223: 2992 fps, SD 38.2

RRichie09
10-13-2011, 4:42 PM
I use this Federal 5.56 (http://palmettostatearmory.com/500.php) exclusively in my AR. Was thinking about PMC but had a couple of problems with PMC Bronze being underpowered in my Sig.

17+1
10-13-2011, 5:14 PM
I'd call to see if it's 223 or 5.56...I've had both show up when I ordered 'PMC 223 Bronze', or whatever they call it. The 5.56 has the visible annealing, crimped primer, sealant in the mouth and sealant in the primer pocket.

I made Mexican match out of some PMC 5.56 I had and shot it to 600 yards in Sac last weekend out of my AR...did pretty well.

The 223 shoots better, in my experience. Zombie Hunters would insist on 5.56 pressures though. The 223 will also save you the hassle of cutting or swaging the primer pocket.

donking
10-13-2011, 6:28 PM
If the cost is about the same, I pick PMC.

If the cost is close, I pick 5.56

RRichie09
10-13-2011, 6:31 PM
Is it me or do you feel a slightly larger kick when shooting 5.56

neal0124
10-13-2011, 6:36 PM
PMC is great ammo. Get this if you don't want steel core.

http://palmettostatearmory.com/2516.php

Or this if you want the steel core.

http://palmettostatearmory.com/1101.php

The 55gr is much hotter than their bronze .223 load.

donking
10-13-2011, 6:38 PM
Is it me or do you feel a slightly larger kick when shooting 5.56

Yes, 5.56 seems louder and seems to have more felt recoil.

jetspeedz
10-13-2011, 6:38 PM
I use PMC X-TAC and it is great clean ammo

donking
10-13-2011, 6:39 PM
PMC is great ammo. Get this if you don't want steel core.

http://palmettostatearmory.com/2516.php

Or this if you want the steel core.

http://palmettostatearmory.com/1101.php

The 55gr is much hotter than their bronze .223 load.

:iagree:

Palmetto is a good place to buy.

donking
10-13-2011, 6:41 PM
I use PMC X-TAC and it is great clean ammo

I had better groupings with the M855 X-TAC last time out when shooting it and some ATI M855.

Quinc
10-13-2011, 8:39 PM
Wolf. 200$ shipped for 1000rds. :D

I would take the Federal, unless you plan on reloading.

October
10-13-2011, 9:06 PM
though I hate walmart (especially since I work for Costco) I buy their American Eagle 20 round boxes weekly. Im in there at least once a week for fishing gear and I always grab a box no matter what so I can stock pile it little by little.

its 5.99 a box. Thats dirt cheap for decent ammo

vincewarde
10-13-2011, 9:14 PM
But I would choose Federal, mainly because I like the brass more than PMC. Again, both are very good.

SDM44
10-13-2011, 10:14 PM
Thanks. I'll look into Palmetto. I didn't really think of them for selling ammo, and the funny thing is I just received my upper, LPK, and stock kit from them just today so I like shopping/buying from them.

I like the X-TAC ammo from what I've read and the specs, but I just didn't want the green tip ones. I may look into trying out a few boxes of the regular PMC X-TAC 55gr rounds to see how those work out compared to the regular PMC 55gr rounds.



I use this Federal 5.56 (http://palmettostatearmory.com/500.php) exclusively in my AR. Was thinking about PMC but had a couple of problems with PMC Bronze being underpowered in my Sig.

Ironically, this same ammo was the same price as the Federal AE I listed above. I just didn't consider it since the picture showed dirty casings (I now know that shouldn't matter, but as a 1st time shopper of .223/5.56 ammo, it was a bit deceiving).

Gio
10-13-2011, 10:49 PM
Stick with PMC 55gr or 62gr, it is better to try a few different boxes of ammo to see what gives you the best result.