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MotoGuy
02-09-2007, 11:17 PM
Can someone please post the DOJ FAB-10 approval letter for me? I have been searching for two days and can't find it.
Jeremy K.
02-09-2007, 11:59 PM
Here you go.

http://www.maxicon.com/guns/fab10/FAB10lttrb.jpg
MotoGuy
02-10-2007, 10:26 AM
Cool, Thank You.
bwiese
02-10-2007, 01:19 PM
At least it's not a Vulcan - their DOJ-approved fixed mags can be manhandled out without a tool.

Another case of DOJ approval (like the Walther P22 situation) being irrelevant, misleading and leading to legal peril.
MonsterMan
02-10-2007, 02:00 PM
Also the Evans Gunsmithing Colts and Bushmasters (which are glorified Fab10's), the mags are not pinned in. You can take them out from the top. If you remove the bolt catch, all you have to do is hit the mag release and your mag pops out the top.

MM
bwiese
02-10-2007, 02:08 PM
Also the Evans Gunsmithing Colts and Bushmasters (which are glorified Fab10's), the mags are not pinned in. You can take them out from the top. If you remove the bolt catch, all you have to do is hit the mag release and your mag pops out the top.

Sounds like awfully close to a detachable magazine to me. Is scissoring open the upper 'disassembling the action'?

More grist for Hunt
hoffmang
02-10-2007, 02:33 PM
I actually think that common sense says that taking the rear take down out is disassembling the action. I'm sure CA DOJ would agree with me when it is convenient for them and disagree when its inconvenient for them.

-Gene
wutzu
02-11-2007, 12:37 PM
Turns out one of my buddies has an Evans Gunsmithing Bushmaster XM-15. He just about **** a brick when I told him it was technically an illegal AW.
hoffmang
02-11-2007, 02:07 PM
I'm surprised that an Evans customer hasn't sued Evans and DOJ. There is a hell of a case because one of them is wrong.

-Gene
bwiese
02-11-2007, 02:30 PM
I'm surprised that an Evans customer hasn't sued Evans and DOJ. There is a hell of a case because one of them is wrong.

Yup.

Appears Evans has some good paperwork on DOJ from multiple staffers - far more than the usu published one we see as 'authorizing' them.

I believe this was the subject of a huge Monday or Tuesday meeting about 2 months ago, lasted a good portion of the day. I'm guessing it evolved from a "what did Iggy do this time" issue to a clean-up-the-Augean-stables damage control one.

I don't think this was just Iggy, though - other DOJ folks were involved, perhaps after Iggy's unsupervised instigation perhaps.

However, appears Iggy was running around in CYA mode telling DOJ phone staff types to not talk to anyone about this *internally* and to assure everyone calling in that things were OK.