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SureShot241
10-12-2011, 8:18 PM
I am looking to getting a new firearm this Christmas, and I keep changing my mind on what to get. I want something that is cheap to shoot, fun, and inexpensive. My budget is around $400

In my collection already are the following:
-.22LR Bolt Action Marlin
-DPMS Sportical AR-15 16" 1x9 twist upper with S&W M&P Lower
- Mosin Nagant 91/30

I am a big fan of older rifles but I am also a big fan of the AR platform. Here is what I am considering and why:

*SKS- I love older guns, and i'm a fan of semi autos. Anything Russian in design is a big plus to me. I love the fact that it has wood furniture. I am interested in the 7.62x39 round, price and all. I am not looking for accuracy for this gun, just for the fun factor, the cheap to shoot factor, and the relic factor. This would also be a candidate for a car carry.

*20" Upper Receiver + Basic rifle stock- I want to build a 20" upper receiver. This would be a KISS upper/stock. I want to put it together piece by piece. Basic carry handle/front sight design, just the way the rifle was designed. I already have a 16" upper but the build is more of a "tacticool" build. I was looking into buying a surplus 80's A2 Colt upper set for this build. This build would be for fun shooting, and for a beautiful classic. .223 is relatively cheap to shoot and I have a lower to put this on.

*.308 Saiga- This one is a little out of my price range but I would manage. For this one, I would convert the .308 saiga into a self made Dragunov of sorts. The parts to make it would come later, the rifle itself would be the initial cost. This would be a fun toy to shoot at steel with. The ammo is expensive but I wouldn't plan on shooting more than 40-60 rounds out of it a range trip. Also looking for a gun with a little more "bang" than a .223

*Mossberg Security Shot Gun- I have not yet fired a shot gun but I am VERY interested in getting into it. This would be to get into shotgun shooting as well as security. This would most likely end up being a car carry with beanbag rounds in it, but I would shoot it for recreation as much as possible. I have always had an interest in shotguns and am interested in getting into it. I understand that shotguns are a whole different ball game but the more rounded I am shooting wise the better.

Now, with pretty much all of these, I would be doing work on them. New stock/ refinishing stock on the SKS, building the upper, making the saiga into a Dragunov, adding different stock/ round holder on the Mossberg. These are all what I have interest in and they are in a 4 way tie for me. I would just like to see your input to help suede me.

Kingpin.SC
10-12-2011, 8:28 PM
1911

/thread

:D

riflem16a4
10-12-2011, 8:28 PM
i would go with the shotgun if you dont have one yet

pacifico23
10-12-2011, 8:41 PM
Lol +1 on both of the above posters. The .308 saiga dragonov I wouldn't. If it's gonna be a tight budget ammo will be a pain in the arse after awhile. 20" kinda novelty and will end up selling if you already own one.

I would also consider a 7.62 saiga, cheap ammo cheap gun. Can blast away.

plumbum
10-12-2011, 9:04 PM
How do you NOT have a shotgun yet?!?

Have Santas Claws git you a scattergun... maybe even before Thanksgiving just to be safe.

WW2Buff
10-12-2011, 9:32 PM
An 870 and some shells to feed it.

AlliedArmory
10-12-2011, 10:14 PM
Get the shotgun since you do not own one yet. You can easily get one at big5 sub $400.

Legasat
10-12-2011, 10:18 PM
Everybody needs a 12 gauge!!!

MrPlink
10-12-2011, 10:27 PM
Everyone needs a Ak and a .308! Saiga, two birds, one stone.

SureShot241
10-13-2011, 9:26 AM
Well it looks like the Mossberg is in the lead. Interesting... although the 20" upper has been getting some votes too. No love for the SKS lol. Keep the votes coming!

vf111
10-13-2011, 9:34 AM
I voted the Mossberg since you don't have a shotgun. But I really think you should get a Garand while the gettin' is good....

pteveland
10-13-2011, 2:16 PM
It seems to me that in order to have a more rounded collection, a shotgun would have to be the clear choice. They are fun to shoot, have a variety of rounds, and are relatively inexpensive. I have had the Mossberg 500 two barrel combo for almost 20 years and it has been the one constant in my collection. You might want to think about a handgun as well.

MrPlink
10-13-2011, 2:38 PM
btw, that saiga is not a dragunov, and outside of being built next to real dragunovs, has nothing to do with it design wise.

ZX-10R
10-13-2011, 4:47 PM
None of those. Those are dime a dozen.

timmyb21
10-13-2011, 4:49 PM
You don't yet have a shotgun. You need one.

peterabbits
10-13-2011, 5:37 PM
I love the fact that I'm not the only one buying myself a Christmas present. Go with the shotgun because you need one. Myself....I'm torn btwn a 60% 1911 project and a saiga-12 AOW.

NorCalK9.com
10-13-2011, 9:47 PM
Saiga12 or saiga308. The 308 is bad@ss! I'm thinking of trading mine but only cause I wanna try getting a sub moa 308 rifle.

Kingpin.SC
10-13-2011, 10:59 PM
I love the fact that I'm not the only one buying myself a Christmas present. Go with the shotgun because you need one. Myself....I'm torn btwn a 60% 1911 project and a saiga-12 AOW.

I just worked on a Saiga-12 receiver for one of my customers. They got their tax stamp, and are going AOW. The finished product is going to be dead sexy, and makes me want one!

X-NewYawker
10-13-2011, 11:07 PM
Forget that foreign assault weapon BS. One choice: Mossberg Shotgun. make sure you get KNOXX recoil reducing stock.

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p54/Fasanoland/Rifles/KNoxxguns.jpg
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p54/Fasanoland/Rifles/Knoxxbuttstock.jpg

SureShot241
10-14-2011, 11:51 AM
The .308 Saiga and the Mossberg are tied!

Question: What kind of shooting would I do with a shotgun? I have never fired one and don't know anything about the ammo or the style of shooting.

someR1
10-14-2011, 12:11 PM
The .308 Saiga and the Mossberg are tied!

Question: What kind of shooting would I do with a shotgun? I have never fired one and don't know anything about the ammo or the style of shooting.

.308 saiga: great for hunting, ammo is abundant/cheap, it looks bad ***, it's reliable

12 guage: good for bird hunting, shells are cheap, you can't go wrong with a pump Remington 870

IMO this is like comparing apples to oranges. Shotguns are great for home protection/bird hunting/skeet shooting. The Saiga would be better for hunting pigs/deer/other game, and of course paper shooting at the range. I have used my rifles more than my shotgun. However, shotguns are gun. It's a tough call, but I think eventually you will have both :D

TheExpertish
10-14-2011, 12:16 PM
It's time for a shotgun. $6 for a box of 25 is hard to argue with fun. A Mossberg 500 is a great gun and I have nothing bad to say about them, but if you can afford the extra $ go with the Rem 870.

ham
10-14-2011, 12:24 PM
Everybody needs a 12 gauge!!!

:iagree:

i'd go with the Benelli Nova Tactical

someR1
10-14-2011, 12:39 PM
dear Santa,

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/95589

SureShot241
10-14-2011, 12:45 PM
.308 saiga: great for hunting, ammo is abundant/cheap, it looks bad ***, it's reliable

12 guage: good for bird hunting, shells are cheap, you can't go wrong with a pump Remington 870

IMO this is like comparing apples to oranges. Shotguns are great for home protection/bird hunting/skeet shooting. The Saiga would be better for hunting pigs/deer/other game, and of course paper shooting at the range. I have used my rifles more than my shotgun. However, shotguns are gun. It's a tough call, but I think eventually you will have both :D

I am a range shooter and I do not hunt, so the applications for these are just strictly for fun at the range. I am looking at a Mossberg that comes with a short barrel for close range and a long barrel for skeet shooting. I hear skeet shooting is a blast

Kingpin.SC
10-14-2011, 12:53 PM
I am a range shooter and I do not hunt, so the applications for these are just strictly for fun at the range. I am looking at a Mossberg that comes with a short barrel for close range and a long barrel for skeet shooting. I hear skeet shooting is a blast

I see what you did there... lol.

pkc168
10-14-2011, 2:38 PM
Mossberg 500, that was my first gun, got it when I turned 18.

lrtraut
10-14-2011, 2:42 PM
I'd get a shotgun since you don't yet have one. Get the combo with two barrels though so you can use it for HD and clays/hunting.

It's a little early to be thinking about Christmas though, isn't it?

stix213
10-14-2011, 3:12 PM
.308 Saiga!

Shotgun would be my #2

comblock
10-14-2011, 10:07 PM
5.45x39 saiga. $300 for 1 or $289each for 4 at classic arms.

SureShot241
10-15-2011, 10:32 AM
If I go with the .308 Saiga, what accuracy should I expect at 300 yards?

someR1
10-15-2011, 12:50 PM
If I go with the .308 Saiga, what accuracy should I expect at 300 yards?
it's not a remington lol, if you want accuracy buy the remi 700
however, the saiga will be more accurate than the PSL
its sounds to me like you need a bolt action, not semi auto

CK_32
10-15-2011, 12:51 PM
You can get me....... ;)

SureShot241
10-15-2011, 2:13 PM
it's not a remington lol, if you want accuracy buy the remi 700
however, the saiga will be more accurate than the PSL
its sounds to me like you need a bolt action, not semi auto

I'm not necessarily looking for accuracy. I just want to know if it would hit steel every time at 300 yards (without shooters error)

The saiga is a long shot for me though. The long barrel .308 saigas are hard to come by these days and the price is out of my range, if I do end up getting one it would be off of gunbroker or something, but it still is an option.

So far my mind is between the Mossberg and the 20" Upper. The SKS is still appealing though.

Kingpin.SC
10-15-2011, 10:45 PM
You can get me....... ;)

Michael (OP), if I were you, I would take him up on that! I hear good things... :D

awall919
10-15-2011, 10:48 PM
I love my sks, But a .308 saiga would be a hoot to shoot as well. I voted wrong darn it.

MrExel17
10-15-2011, 11:37 PM
Go with the shotty or . 308 DRAG

SureShot241
10-16-2011, 9:45 AM
I love my sks, But a .308 saiga would be a hoot to shoot as well. I voted wrong darn it.

I will keep that in mind haha. What do you love about your SKS exactly?

comblock
10-16-2011, 10:22 AM
J&g has all their saigas for $299. Thats under $400 included tax, transfer etc.

83-604
10-16-2011, 8:08 PM
Dude, your collection is totally bitichin already, save your money and go to a training class and stock up on ammo for when the SHTF!!! Thank me later.