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DavidR310
10-11-2011, 4:16 AM
What will people always want?????

http://www.shtfplan.com/emergency-preparedness/top-post-collapse-barter-items-and-trade-skills_06102011

EXCERPT...

Water Filtration
Seeds
Fresh Produce
Long Shelf Life Foods
Food Producing Animals
Solar Power
Firewood
Gasoline And Oil
Silver And Gold
Firearms And Ammo
Body Armor
Tazers And Pepper Spray
Various Tools
Pesticides
Warm Clothing
Medicines
Toiletries


Top Priority Skills
Mechanic, Engine Repair
Welding
Blacksmithing
Firearms Repair, Ammo Reloading
Construction
Architect, Home Reinforcement
Agriculture, Farming Expertise, Seed Saving, Animal Care
Bee Keeping
Doctor, Medical Assistant
Veterinarian
Well Construction, Water Table Expertise
Engineer, Community Planning, Manufacturing, Electrical
Firearms Proficiency, Security, Self Defense Planning
Martial Arts Training
Wild Foods Expert
Hunting
Chemist
Sewing, Textiles
Soap Making, Candle Making, Hygiene Products
Small Appliance Repair
Electronics Repair
HAM Radio Expert
Homeschooling, Tutoring

Peachdog
10-11-2011, 5:37 AM
Some of the things on the list are kind of silly. Tazers and martial arts training? Really?

Neuvik
10-11-2011, 7:43 AM
Didnt see alcohol (except in the fuel part) or salt.

olhunter
10-11-2011, 9:20 AM
Booze, cigarettes, drugs.

tylerderdan
10-11-2011, 9:38 AM
Booze, cigarettes, drugs.

Drugs as in medications yes. I don't drink, but have a few bottles of jack stored just for barter. Cigarrettes and chew will be hot items as well.

Ark
10-11-2011, 9:40 AM
http://www.helenjane.com/images/chow/sandwiches/bacon.jpg

ritter
10-11-2011, 9:51 AM
I think barter in the following categories has merit:
Vices/addictions: cigs, booze
Personals: TP, soap, razors, tampons (don't laugh, when faced with using a "rag", I'm sure tampons will merit fair exchange from the ladies), condoms.
Hardware: 16/12 penny nails, screws, etc
Other: needle and thread, plastic bags, canning jars, 22lr

These would all have more value than gold/silver in long-term SHTF and are not particularly bulky or expensive currently.

As far as skills, the old homesteading/kitchen skills that used to be "the woman's place" will be invaluable. It's great to go grow a garden or slaughter a pig, but how do you store it through the lean times? Definitely not in my skill set.

Ripon83
10-11-2011, 9:57 AM
A brother in law of mine I've referenced here many times as just getting the picture and starting to prepare (he now has a 10/22 wahoo) was talking with me a month ago about not being able to afford gold or even much silver. He was concerned about not being able to barter for what he would need and could not get.....I told him to buy an extra 24 roll bundle of TP each stop at Costco. Stack it up where the mice won't get it and it will be as good as gold if SHTF.

bob7122
10-11-2011, 10:00 AM
one of the major things that ppl forget from the old days is the trade of minerals and SALT! they don't have salt everywhere, and if you expect to survive you'll need a good supply of salt to keep bodily/life functions working properly. you'll need iron too.

scarville
10-11-2011, 11:54 AM
Booze, cigarettes, drugs.
and coffee...

Maddog5150
10-11-2011, 1:13 PM
From gears of war three when they were looking to trade for food.

cZSbjy_f744

TrailerparkTrash
10-11-2011, 2:04 PM
I agree that having small glass flasks of booze, cartons of cigarettes (selling indivual packs) and canned food items for trade would easily compare to having gold coins on hand today.

Dutch3
10-11-2011, 4:12 PM
I have always heard Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms should be a convenience store...

TrailerparkTrash
10-11-2011, 4:21 PM
Oh another thing that may be worth its weight in gold is clean rolls of toilet paper for trade!!!!! Maybe bars of soap too if the SHTF scenario lasts a long long time.

calmedic
10-11-2011, 4:40 PM
Batteries and liquid or gas fuels if you have the ability to store them.

DavidR310
10-11-2011, 4:42 PM
Some of the things on the list are kind of silly. Tazers and martial arts training? Really?

Ferfal (http://ferfal.blogspot.com/) always recommends hand-to-hand combat training.

I guess a tazer is for people who are anti-gun.

I agree, booze & cigs need to be added. Great barter items.

Better yet, add knowing how to distill as a skillset. That way you can make various types of alcohol for drinking and medical use. Plus a great way to purify water.

paul0660
10-11-2011, 4:46 PM
ANYTHING is going to be worth more than it is now, in relative terms.

The ultimate angle is to agree not to beat or shoot the other seller/buyer. Expect a lot of that.

Steve1968LS2
10-11-2011, 5:00 PM
Spices..

For centuries pepper was worth it's weight in gold.. salt can become fairly valuable as well...

DavidR310
10-11-2011, 5:01 PM
THIS will be a must have


CoolMAX® IIIa Bullet, Stab & Spike Proof Vest

http://www.safeguardclothing.com/img/p/121-406-large.jpg

Shellshocker66
10-11-2011, 5:29 PM
I don't have to wait till SHTF, I'm willing to barter off my grumpy 88 year old mother right now! Will take one box of .22lr or 6 buckshot shells in 12 ga. :)

I kid!

Toilet paper is going to be worth it's weight in gold if SHTF. Everyone prefers soft charmin to pages out of a phone book!

guns4life
10-11-2011, 5:36 PM
http://barenakedislam.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/sex-slaves1.jpg?w=300&h=290


:hide:

chris
10-11-2011, 6:30 PM
What will people always want?????

http://www.shtfplan.com/emergency-preparedness/top-post-collapse-barter-items-and-trade-skills_06102011

EXCERPT...

Water Filtration
Seeds
Fresh Produce
Long Shelf Life Foods
Food Producing Animals
Solar Power
Firewood
Gasoline And Oil
Silver And Gold
Firearms And Ammo
Body Armor
Tazers And Pepper Spray
Various Tools
Pesticides
Warm Clothing
Medicines
Toiletries


Top Priority Skills
Mechanic, Engine Repair
Welding
Blacksmithing
Firearms Repair, Ammo Reloading
Construction
Architect, Home Reinforcement
Agriculture, Farming Expertise, Seed Saving, Animal Care
Bee Keeping
Doctor, Medical Assistant
Veterinarian
Well Construction, Water Table Expertise
Engineer, Community Planning, Manufacturing, Electrical
Firearms Proficiency, Security, Self Defense Planning
Martial Arts Training
Wild Foods Expert
Hunting
Chemist
Sewing, Textiles
Soap Making, Candle Making, Hygiene Products
Small Appliance Repair
Electronics Repair
HAM Radio Expert
Homeschooling, Tutoring

fishing looks to be left out.

problemchild
10-11-2011, 6:48 PM
http://www.helenjane.com/images/chow/sandwiches/bacon.jpg


X2

Think Im going to can up some wide mouth pint jars of bacon for barter.

11HE9
10-11-2011, 8:15 PM
X2

Think Im going to can up some wide mouth pint jars of bacon for barter.

Good idea, I would imagine precooked and vacuum sealed would work too.



I have mentioned to a friend that if SHTF, I'm going to booby trap the garden... He recently realized I was serious :devil2:

Total Supply
10-11-2011, 8:56 PM
A lot of food for thought. I just picked up a couple of old sewing machines 1912 and 1918 White rotary sewing machines. They are in great condition. They work only need to replace the leather belts and clean them up. No electricity needed just leg power. Additionally some old Cobbler tools for shoe repair and info on making leather boots and shoes (seems like a lost trade). Need to look at attaining info on leather tanning as well.

http://www.google.com/imgres?q=white+rotary+sewing+machine&hl=en&sa=X&biw=1280&bih=631&tbm=isch&prmd=imvns&tbnid=V-2DGHVoxkFm3M:&imgrefurl=http://estatestore.org/2011/09/11/antique-white-family-rotary-sewing-machine-in-fancy-treadle-cabinet/&docid=xUBB3uTtEYFw8M&w=3072&h=2304&ei=GQuVTvSFO9K3tweey5SdBw&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=688&vpy=310&dur=4938&hovh=194&hovw=259&tx=140&ty=105&page=8&tbnh=124&tbnw=214&start=129&ndsp=19&ved=1t:429,r:10,s:129

JaMail
10-11-2011, 9:15 PM
going to be plenty of dead wearing really expensive hiking boots.. TP, Soap, Toothpaste, liqour. Rice, beans , bullets & filtration .. thats about it for survival through the dying time. TP will be nice for a while, but going to be alot of empty houses with linens that can be cut up and used as feild expedient TP, going to be able to scavage alot of stuff.

ive got 5 of these. im 100% convinced that water and ammo are going to be the big two in a SHTF, of course im thinking it will be an earthquake or pandemic that will hit us.

http://www.monolithic.com/stories/a-practical-life-sustaining-water-filter/photos#0

http://c541658.r58.cf2.rackcdn.com/vault/img/2011/05/10/4dc92b7dc29e068473000ab5/medium_img-5478.jpg

11HE9
10-11-2011, 10:29 PM
ive got 5 of these. im 100% convinced that water and ammo are going to be the big two in a SHTF

Interesting, I haven't seen those before. That would be a great home/base camp set up, I need to look into those.

I agree that safe water will be a hot commodity when SHTF. I have been working on my water preparedness for a while, Cholera and Dysentary don't sound like much fun :(

DrRobert
10-11-2011, 10:30 PM
Antibiotic's like neosporian. I watched this program on History about SHTF scenario's and bacteria was killer. I asked my wife a nurse and she said you could die form an infected paper cut. Neosporian and rubbing alcohol. So cheap..

-DR

Lone_Gunman
10-11-2011, 11:10 PM
Canning jar lids and rings and these things too.

http://www.oillampparts.com/mason.jpg

slam128
10-12-2011, 12:06 AM
SALT

EL_NinO619
10-12-2011, 12:20 AM
Have a SH@T load of rechargeable stuff, like lanterns, batteries etc. And have a way to recharge them. And open up a damn battery Blockbuster and barter for a charge....

sundayduffer
10-12-2011, 12:22 AM
Barbie!!!

freonr22
10-12-2011, 12:29 AM
Trade skills imho , if I can give you heat, or wire up your genset, or fabricate something for you, fix something for you, it's not a detriment. My skills cannot be stolen.

8bitnintendo
10-12-2011, 12:45 AM
Personals: TP, soap, razors, tampons (don't laugh, when faced with using a "rag", I'm sure tampons will merit fair exchange from the ladies)
If you're going to stockpile for women's sanitary needs, the long term strategy would be to have a shelf-full of something like the DivaCup. Washable and reusable, any woman with any sense would spend a lot more bartering for one of those than for a temporary solution. They're great for backpacking trips.

smle-man
10-12-2011, 2:25 PM
Multi vitamins to compensate for an unbalanced diet. Iodized salt is critical.

wheels
10-12-2011, 3:23 PM
If you're going to stockpile for women's sanitary needs, the long term strategy would be to have a shelf-full of something like the DivaCup. Washable and reusable, any woman with any sense would spend a lot more bartering for one of those than for a temporary solution. They're great for backpacking trips.

Thanks for keeping an eye on us - added these to my list. :)

Excuse my ignorance - if you were buying for an unknown female would size matter? Smaller or larger model more adaptable if not the correct size?

Los
10-12-2011, 3:44 PM
ive got 5 of these. im 100% convinced that water and ammo are going to be the big two in a SHTF, of course im thinking it will be an earthquake or pandemic that will hit us.

Thanks for that link. I have given into the fact that prepping for my parents and in laws is falling on me, or it just wouldnt get done. I have one good quality filter that wont be leaving my sight, so these will be great makeshift ones for them.

CSACANNONEER
10-12-2011, 3:46 PM
.22lr ammo will be the currency of choice.

mcsoupman
10-12-2011, 3:47 PM
going to be plenty of dead wearing really expensive hiking boots.. TP, Soap, Toothpaste, liqour. Rice, beans , bullets & filtration .. thats about it for survival through the dying time. TP will be nice for a while, but going to be alot of empty houses with linens that can be cut up and used as feild expedient TP, going to be able to scavage alot of stuff.

ive got 5 of these. im 100% convinced that water and ammo are going to be the big two in a SHTF, of course im thinking it will be an earthquake or pandemic that will hit us.

http://www.monolithic.com/stories/a-practical-life-sustaining-water-filter/photos#0

http://c541658.r58.cf2.rackcdn.com/vault/img/2011/05/10/4dc92b7dc29e068473000ab5/medium_img-5478.jpg

Man I like this! Any of you other guys speak to its effectiveness? It looks easy to assemble and use and relatively cost effective with a use life of like 6-8 months!

wash
10-12-2011, 4:07 PM
I almost pulled the trigger on a off road go-cart with the idea of rigging it with a converted alternator for mobile TIG welding/power inverter for emergency 115/230v power generation and bugout vehicle.

The ability to get places and weld stuff will be valuable.

I do need to stock up on clotting agent, antibiotics, decongestants, pain killers and other medical necessities.

Grains will probably be too valuable to distill liquor, so a few cases of decent burbon would go far.

Disposable razors would be good for small trades. Soap on a rope. Bug spray. 3M masks.

Californio
10-12-2011, 4:17 PM
Scurvy was a major player in the old days. Not sure of the real shelf life of Vit "C" but I could see it as a major barter item if people cannot get enough plant or citrus.

Ripon83
10-12-2011, 4:24 PM
1) Revolvers will be quite valuable to those without guns. They are so functionally easy to use. In a truly bad situation I can imagine someone without a firearm giving up quite a bit for a simple 38 Sp with a couple of boxes of shells.

2) 22 LR Rifles. Its hard here to imagine but since about 1/2 of the homes in America don't actually own a gun these will be quite valuable as people want small animals for kibble and, at the very least, something they can imagine shooting at someone else with in a bad situation. While we know there is little value in the later its still going to be a necessity and of high trade value. Offering one up with a brick (500 rounds) should be worth some serious "gold."

3) Lower receivers for the AR-15. I bought a 5 pack recently because I got a good deal and wanted some extras. In a crisis the government will crack down on gun distribution, but currently a gun shop can separate an upper and hand it over the counter for proper renumeration. Post SHTF I would assume an AR, 5 magazines, and an ammo can full of 223 would get you quite a bit - if not a soldier to help you defend your territory.

4) Shot guns for bird hunting and bird shot. I love those $23.97 boxes of Federal and Winchester at Wallyworld for clays. 100 rounds of 12 gauge, easy to manage box, and great bargain value at any time. Just imagine everyone's hungry and its Dove season :)

smle-man
10-12-2011, 4:53 PM
Aspirin is the miracle drug. Keeps practically forever. Just don't give it to teens or younger. For my aged body I keep lots of IB on hand!

Kid Stanislaus
10-12-2011, 7:23 PM
.....I told him to buy an extra 24 roll bundle of TP each stop at Costco. Stack it up where the mice won't get it and it will be as good as gold if SHTF.

If SHTF you'd be better off using a water hose, just unplug the fan first.:D

JaMail
10-12-2011, 7:25 PM
i think .22's can make great self defense weapons, rapid fire a 10/22 at at someone coming at you and its pretty much like a chest full of buckshot.

my 10/22's are going to be for pigeons and seagulls, wild cats and such. just something to get some protein in the pot with the rice and beans..

ive also been thinking of getting a couple pounds of bullion cubes.. instant flaver.

Kid Stanislaus
10-12-2011, 7:25 PM
Oh another thing that may be worth its weight in gold is clean rolls of toilet paper for trade!!!!!


Yeah, used TP probably wouldn't get you much!:D

Kid Stanislaus
10-12-2011, 7:27 PM
http://barenakedislam.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/sex-slaves1.jpg?w=300&h=290
:hide:

I want TWO!!:D

Kid Stanislaus
10-12-2011, 7:48 PM
.22lr ammo will be the currency of choice.

That'll be great for small game, as long as it lasts. For first rate zombie defense you'll want .308 Winchester. ;)

Got Stuff?
10-12-2011, 8:45 PM
Canning jar lids and rings and these things too.

http://www.oillampparts.com/mason.jpg

Pretty cool site!

Got Stuff?
10-12-2011, 8:47 PM
Booze, cigarettes, drugs.

The druggies that haven't been able to score a fix for a few days will be a scary bunch.

KevinB
10-12-2011, 9:37 PM
I would think that clothes are going to be a good barter item along with shoes and boots. Socks are going to be at a premium. Medical supplies, antibiotics will be very valuable. Hats are going to hard to come by.

Livestock.

Lubricating oil is going to scarce.

Candy, sweets.

Steel and hardware, welding supplies.

race1
10-12-2011, 10:06 PM
Canning jar lids and rings and these things too.

http://www.oillampparts.com/mason.jpg


I just saw complete versions of these in two sizes at kmart for 6.98 and 11.98 small an large respectively. IMHO, these are way better than candles!

cannon
10-12-2011, 10:22 PM
http://barenakedislam.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/sex-slaves1.jpg?w=300&h=290


:hide:

Actually those will be pretty easy to get now. In a SHTF situation if you feed it. It will do your bidding.

TrailerparkTrash
10-12-2011, 11:26 PM
Multi vitamins to compensate for an unbalanced diet. Iodized salt is critical.

vitamin C is the most critical. One just can't live off of rabbit and protein alone. Scurvey is a slow killer.

DavidR310
10-12-2011, 11:49 PM
ive got 5 of these. im 100% convinced that water and ammo are going to be the big two in a SHTF, of course im thinking it will be an earthquake or pandemic that will hit us.

http://www.monolithic.com/stories/a-practical-life-sustaining-water-filter/photos#0

http://c541658.r58.cf2.rackcdn.com/vault/img/2011/05/10/4dc92b7dc29e068473000ab5/medium_img-5478.jpg

I know there is a big price difference, but how would this compare to the
Berkey Filters?

http://cart.berkeyfilters.com/berkey-light.aspx

stix213
10-13-2011, 12:01 AM
During SHTF people won't be trading in gold and silver. That's just ridiculous. They will trade for necessities not luxuries.

Gold and silver will only be useful AFTER the SHTF scenario is over, as the economy reemerges, but hungry people can't eat gold.

choprzrul
10-13-2011, 12:05 AM
heirloom seeds.

Ammo

TP

Survival Books

Water Filtration/Sterilization

Antibiotics

Aspirin/tylenol/naproxen/ibuprofen

Any small, portable, and silent device that makes electricity

....and of course:

http://www.armyrecognition.com/images/stories/north_america/united_states/main_battle_tank/m1a2n/M1A2_abrams_main_battle_tank_united_states_640.jpg

DannyInSoCal
10-13-2011, 12:16 AM
.22lr ammo will be the currency of choice.

I was thinking the same thing:

308/30-06 becomes the new $100 bill.
5.56/.223 becomes the new $50.
.45ACP/44mag becomes the new $20.
.40/9mm becomes the new $10.
12ga buck/slug becomes the new $5.
.380 becomes the new $1.
22l becomes the new $0.25

Salt, water, vitamins, magazine porn, booze, tobacco, ammo, can opener, and a crap load of canned everything....

bob7122
10-13-2011, 12:30 AM
I was thinking the same thing:

308/30-06 becomes the new $100 bill.
5.56/.223 becomes the new $50.
.45ACP/44mag becomes the new $20.
.40/9mm becomes the new $20.
12ga buck/slug becomes the new $10.
.380 becomes the new $5.
22l becomes the new $1

Salt, water, vitamins, magazine porn, booze, tobacco, ammo, can opener, and a crap load of canned everything....

fixed it for you :D

DavidR310
10-13-2011, 12:45 AM
fixed it for you :D

So what would BB's and pellets be?

TrailerparkTrash
10-13-2011, 3:31 AM
So what would BB's and pellets be?

That would be the new "Play Money" for children born during the Armageddon seige upon the land. The "underground" schools where us CalGunners would reside (our "compound") would now teach:

Reading
Writing
Armithmatic...

and...

Weapons disassembly/reasembly
Escape & Evade tactics
Field dressing and skinning game
Marksmanship
Fire starting
CQB tactics
Room clearing techniques
IED safety (rendering them safe)
Tracking and the art of seeing
Battle field first aid

:43::43:

Ripon83
10-13-2011, 3:33 AM
Oh you can't eat it but I'll bet you can secure land with it to grow food, or gain necessary transportation to someplace with food. No it's not edible but I'll bet a farmer selling his crop will gladly receive gold and silver for his crops....know i would. Can't really eat ammo either but it's barter capacities will be good too.


During SHTF people won't be trading in gold and silver. That's just ridiculous. They will trade for necessities not luxuries.

Gold and silver will only be useful AFTER the SHTF scenario is over, as the economy reemerges, but hungry people can't eat gold.

stix213
10-13-2011, 4:03 AM
Oh you can't eat it but I'll bet you can secure land with it to grow food, or gain necessary transportation to someplace with food. No it's not edible but I'll bet a farmer selling his crop will gladly receive gold and silver for his crops....know i would. Can't really eat ammo either but it's barter capacities will be good too.

You can certainly shoot a deer with the ammo and eat it, good luck hunting a deer with gold.

You'd only want to receive gold and silver in exchange for land or crops once the economy is starting to recover, not actually during the SHTF event. Take Zimbabwe for example. They went through serious SHTF, but now that its over, and they have eliminated the Zimbabwe dollar from their economy, and have started their recovery, they have now started using gold and US dollars as currency. Gold as a common currency was not a reality during the economic meltdown though, only after it ended. Food was the currency during the event, if anything was.

The thing is with gold, its just like currency in that its only worth value to you because you believe it has value to others. When people are desperate, starving, and homeless, gold really can't buy anything when everyone is like that. You aren't going to sell your last bit of food for gold, not matter how much. A farmer isn't going to sell his crop for gold, unless he knows lots of other people who will sell goods/services to him in exchange for gold instead of food or something of actual use to them.

Seeker
10-13-2011, 6:34 AM
Scurvy was a major player in the old days. Not sure of the real shelf life of Vit "C" but I could see it as a major barter item if people cannot get enough plant or citrus.

You can get vitamin C by making pine needle tea. Yes, pine needles have vitamin C.

thunderbolt
10-13-2011, 8:24 AM
What will people always want?????
EXCERPT...

Top Priority Skills
Mechanic, Engine Repair
Welding
Blacksmithing
Firearms Repair, Ammo Reloading
Construction
Architect, Home Reinforcement
Agriculture, Farming Expertise, Seed Saving, Animal Care
Bee Keeping
Doctor, Medical Assistant
Veterinarian
Well Construction, Water Table Expertise
Engineer, Community Planning, Manufacturing, Electrical
Firearms Proficiency, Security, Self Defense Planning
Martial Arts Training
Wild Foods Expert
Hunting
Chemist
Sewing, Textiles
Soap Making, Candle Making, Hygiene Products
Small Appliance Repair
Electronics Repair
HAM Radio Expert
Homeschooling, Tutoring

You left out the skill to make tires into armor for the fasionable road warrior. And the good thing about gold is it's heavy. So you CAN hunt with gold, you just got to hit your prey hard enough.

Bullets for hunting only make sense if there's something left to hunt and I don't think that there is enough game (around my home at least) to support 50% of the human population let alone most of it. Plus I'm sure that aside from the small pecentage of seasoned hunters, most of the preppers I know don't know the first thing about hunting. It's not like going out on a hunting excursion where your friendly guide leads your domesticated kill into a clearing so you can blast it at 30 yrds and then wait a couple hrs for them to deliver the meat in nice neat packaging. Most of these "hunters" are going to be more dangerous to other humans than to the squirrles. That's why ranchers have to spraypaint "COW" in bright orange.

On a serious note, would navigation and piloting skills be enough to include someone into your group?

Peachdog
10-13-2011, 8:47 AM
I've got supplies and you've got gold, sounds like we can work something out. ;) Precious metals will always be worth something somewhere unless it's a global SHTF and there is no where to run to. Even then things will eventually pick up.

By the way silver itself is rather useful for its antimicrobial properties and gold is a great, easy to work with conductor. Lots of things you can do with either.

Californio
10-13-2011, 10:45 AM
You can get vitamin C by making pine needle tea. Yes, pine needles have vitamin C.

Good to know. Any particular Pine Tree or type of needles to look for?

Ripon83
10-13-2011, 12:04 PM
And if a well to do, well prepared, and kind older sort asked if I'd take his gold coin and go get him a deer - I'd be inclined to do so and have a fresh steak of venison before heading out.


You can certainly shoot a deer with the ammo and eat it, good luck hunting a deer with gold.

You'd only want to receive gold and silver in exchange for land or crops once the economy is starting to recover, not actually during the SHTF event. Take Zimbabwe for example. They went through serious SHTF, but now that its over, and they have eliminated the Zimbabwe dollar from their economy, and have started their recovery, they have now started using gold and US dollars as currency. Gold as a common currency was not a reality during the economic meltdown though, only after it ended. Food was the currency during the event, if anything was.

The thing is with gold, its just like currency in that its only worth value to you because you believe it has value to others. When people are desperate, starving, and homeless, gold really can't buy anything when everyone is like that. You aren't going to sell your last bit of food for gold, not matter how much. A farmer isn't going to sell his crop for gold, unless he knows lots of other people who will sell goods/services to him in exchange for gold instead of food or something of actual use to them.

xrMike
10-13-2011, 3:04 PM
Have a SH@T load of rechargeable stuff, like lanterns, batteries etc. And have a way to recharge them. And open up a damn battery Blockbuster and barter for a charge....

That is a FANTASTIC idea for a post-fan business. I remember seeing something like that in that recent movie with Denzel Washington, where he's carrying the bible around... (can't remember the name)

vitamin C is the most critical. One just can't live off of rabbit and protein alone. Scurvey is a slow killer.

You can get vitamin C by making pine needle tea. Yes, pine needles have vitamin C.

One of the best sources of vitamin C are rose hips (the flowering "bulbs" or berries you see after the flower fades). Growing a few rose bushes, or knowing where to find wild ones, would solve your vitamin C problems.

LMT4ME
10-13-2011, 7:16 PM
The 3 As & 2 Bs

Antibiotics get the ones for fish - do not need a prescription and are the same as we take.

Ammo.

Alcohol.

Beautiful Babes (ok so I'm a pig)

JJ682
10-13-2011, 7:40 PM
that recent movie with Denzel Washington, where he's carrying the bible around... (can't remember the name)


The Book of Eli


Has anyone ever tried pine needle tea? I didn't hate it.

Etihtsarom
10-13-2011, 11:04 PM
PLAYBOY MAGAZINES

Tre(y)13
10-14-2011, 10:36 AM
^ why give up the whole magazine? i'm sure a couple pages will get you what you want..

and dont forget people...if you plan to keep livestock..they wont keep for long without feed and water! learn to grow, harvest, and store food for your animals. (may want to look into some sort of bulletproof, bomb resistant, anti-theft style cage for your critters too..i'd imagine that honesty and integrity would be at the backburners for some people during such a time)

redking
10-14-2011, 10:37 AM
Rusty bottle caps.

nrgcruizer
10-14-2011, 11:59 AM
I just saw complete versions of these in two sizes at kmart for 6.98 and 11.98 small an large respectively. IMHO, these are way better than candles!

We made our own with a jar, cloth for wick, and kerosene for fuel. That was our lamp when I was growing up. I have seen bamboo being grown here in NorCal. You can actually use that with straw, and some ingenuity, for a torch. You can also use a steel pipe capped off on one end.

I find that pigs fat can be a good substitution for kerosene. But it might draw attention if your house smells like bacon.

Uriah02
10-14-2011, 12:16 PM
Rusty bottle caps.

:iagree:

Or maybe soda can tabs.

guns4life
10-14-2011, 12:26 PM
Antibiotics get the ones for fish - do not need a prescription and are the same as we take.
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Not many people relize this...I often tell my friends with no insurance about the pet store antibiotics.

ocmsrzr
10-14-2011, 12:46 PM
I believe in true gender equality...I am going to barter sexual services to all the independent liberated women of the Greater Bay Area...

ocmsrzr
10-14-2011, 12:47 PM
...if I can get permission from my GF.

problemchild
10-14-2011, 2:06 PM
and coffee...


Emmmmmmmmmmmm Coffeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee:D

Ripon83
10-14-2011, 5:50 PM
Coffee do you want.....I gotta get rid of 20lbs

Emmmmmmmmmmmm Coffeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee:D

bbguns44
10-14-2011, 6:11 PM
A big bottle of Ibuprofen will be worth its weight in gold.

xgi1991
10-14-2011, 7:47 PM
Any perishable item will be worth quite a bit. As for as my “major” barter items:
1. Baby wipes
2. Tooth paste
3. Tooth brushes
4. Soap
5. Tampons
6. Medical Supplies
7. TP
8. Tobacco
9. Salt
10. Sugar
11. Flour
12. Rice
13. Skills
Just can’t see myself bartering ammo or weapons, if they don’t already have it, they don’t need it.

indobos72
10-14-2011, 9:11 PM
Don't see a lot of the TP being used. Won't need it if your not eating allot.

Maddog5150
10-14-2011, 9:29 PM
tapitio! that stuff was like gold on my useless little deployment. This other hispanic guy had a bunch of the little packets because his folks had a restaurant and he was like a drug dealer with the stuff :D

ireload
10-15-2011, 5:42 PM
Diaper rash ointment
Band Aid
Hard candy
Denture adhesive like Polydent
Pet food
Gauze
Baby diapers
Salt
Sugar
Ground pepper
Candles
Matches
Soy Sauce
Butter (in tin cans)
Lard
Clorox
Soap
Coconut oil (cooking, skin moisturizer, hair moisturizer)
Empty 5 gallon buckets with lid
Trash bags

xgi1991
10-15-2011, 5:50 PM
Diaper rash ointment
Band Aid
Hard candy
Denture adhesive like Polydent
Pet food
Gauze
Baby diapers
Salt
Sugar
Ground pepper
Candles
Matches
Soy Sauce
Butter (in tin cans)
Lard
Clorox
Soap
Coconut oil (cooking, skin moisturizer, hair moisturizer)
Empty 5 gallon buckets with lid
Trash bags
good list