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ww2ol
10-10-2011, 2:37 PM
Governor Brown did a great service to the citizens of the state of California by signing these bills into law and understanding the need for further controls on firearms ownership. In the 1970ís I helped vote Jerry Brown into office as I did in the last election and will do again in the next election. I will always stand by my belief that only the Police need possess loaded firearms among the citizens of the United States and the Military where conflict exists. I know the Right Wing owners of this website will ban me for expressing my views so be it I could care less.

wazdat
10-10-2011, 2:41 PM
IBTL you :troll:

Chief-7700
10-10-2011, 2:41 PM
Nice third post. By the way go back to where you came from.

berto
10-10-2011, 2:42 PM
Make up your mind doofus. Are ya trolling in this post or in this one where you ask about value on a gun:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=487025

Paper Boy
10-10-2011, 2:43 PM
Governor Brown did a great service to the citizens of the state of California by signing these bills into law and understanding the need for further controls on firearms ownership. .

http://inlinethumb05.webshots.com/5700/2966580490072664822S500x500Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2966580490072664822FpcpWn)

Riflelover
10-10-2011, 2:43 PM
ibtl. have to love a :troll:

email
10-10-2011, 2:44 PM
Stinky bait.

taperxz
10-10-2011, 2:46 PM
Governor Brown did a great service to the citizens of the state of California by signing these bills into law and understanding the need for further controls on firearms ownership. In the 1970’s I helped vote Jerry Brown into office as I did in the last election and will do again in the next election. I will always stand by my belief that only the Police need possess loaded firearms among the citizens of the United States and the Military where conflict exists. I know the Right Wing owners of this website will ban me for expressing my views so be it I could care less.

Showing your ignorance? He banned UNLOADED OPEN CARRY, not loaded concealed carry. AHHHHH and ya wanted to make a statement.

Window_Seat
10-10-2011, 2:48 PM
http://historywarsweapons.com/wp-content/uploads/image/Hitler3(1).jpg

Someone is smiling in their grave, but will have a "be careful what I wish for" moment...

Nuff said...

Erik.

ZirconJohn
10-10-2011, 2:49 PM
Oh WOW... we got us a TROLL of immense proportions... GO TROLL...!!! :laugh:

IBTL & IBTB :thumbsup: :yes:

hill billy
10-10-2011, 2:50 PM
So you are publicly stating that you do not believe in the Bill of Rights? Correct?

Kestryll
10-10-2011, 2:50 PM
I know the Right Wing owners of this website will ban me for expressing my views so be it I could care less.

I don't care what your views are, your other account was banned because dupe accounts are not allowed.

smird
10-10-2011, 2:51 PM
Make up your mind doofus. Are ya trolling in this post or in this one where you ask about value on a gun:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=487025

My guess is he's a LEO, so it's ok for him to have a gun, but not the little people.

Riflelover
10-10-2011, 2:51 PM
The key to being a good troll is to not be so obvious. Lesson of the day.

email
10-10-2011, 2:51 PM
Hahahha. OWNED!

guns4life
10-10-2011, 2:52 PM
http://pictures.funnyforum.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/in-before-the-lock.jpg

ZirconJohn
10-10-2011, 2:52 PM
I don't care what your views are, your other account was banned because dupe accounts are not allowed.

Kestryll... please let troll stick around for awhile... it's raining and nothing to do...

We need some good TROLL prevention practice anyway... yes guys...? :yes:

wazdat
10-10-2011, 2:52 PM
http://historywarsweapons.com/wp-content/uploads/image/Hitler3(1).jpg

Someone is smiling in their grave, but will have a "be careful what I wish for" moment...

Nuff said...

Erik.

Hey...!

When did De Leon grow a mustache?

Kid Stanislaus
10-10-2011, 2:54 PM
My guess is he's a LEO, so it's ok for him to have a gun, but not the little people.



What are you basing that "guess" on? Let's not debase LEO's, they have enough problems as it is. ;)

taperxz
10-10-2011, 2:55 PM
I want to know what other account the troll has! Names i want names! It is raining out!

Kestryll
10-10-2011, 2:58 PM
Kestryll... please let troll stick around for awhile... it's raining and nothing to do...

We need some good TROLL prevention practice anyway... yes guys...? :yes:

Oh he's welcome to stay as long as he does not get insulting or abusive, just like anyone else is.

His other account, 'Sanderson', was banned this morning because we don't allow dupe accounts.
He broke the rules and of course it was my fault that there were consequences:
Banned for expressing my position. Typical Right Wing suppression. I champion the demise of gun rights and will enjoy watching you all go down in flames because you are so attached to firearms.

scarville
10-10-2011, 3:01 PM
http://www.heronforge.net/trolls/troll-repellent.jpg

Mike61982
10-10-2011, 3:02 PM
Dude, you must not understand the bill of right. Or what the 2nd Amendment is about. You need to go back in the hole you crawled out of...

m03
10-10-2011, 3:02 PM
http://i559.photobucket.com/albums/ss38/xxLuvBirdyxx/cool-story-bro.jpg

taperxz
10-10-2011, 3:02 PM
Kestryll: The killjoy of every anti gun rights activist.

guns4life
10-10-2011, 3:03 PM
I just generated this one...kinda proud of myself. ;)

http://images.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/10537244.jpg

hill billy
10-10-2011, 3:04 PM
The sad part is that Mr. Sanderson is so afraid of free expression and differing ideas being allowed that instead of trying to back up his position like a man, he merely watches the thread from afar and refuses to comment further. I have a word for folks like him that I will keep to myself. :D

ZirconJohn
10-10-2011, 3:07 PM
Oh he's welcome to stay as long as he does not get insulting or abusive, just like anyone else is.

His other account, 'Sanderson', was banned this morning because we don't allow dupe accounts.
He broke the rules and of course it was my fault that there were consequences:

Well okay now Kestryll... thank you :thumbsup:

Did'ja hear that fellers... TROLL is open game :clap: But be nice...! :D :laugh:

Well... I'm just home for lunch, gotta go back to the Mill... wish I could
stay... but DANG... somebody gotta pay taxes for the less fortunate... :seeya:

Thanks again Kestryll... jd

Paper Boy
10-10-2011, 3:09 PM
I just generated this one...kinda proud of myself. ;)

http://images.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/10537244.jpg

Well played sir!:clap:

GOEX FFF
10-10-2011, 3:09 PM
"Banned for expressing my position. Typical Right Wing suppression. I champion the demise of gun rights and will enjoy watching you all go down in flames because you are so attached to firearms.:"


Paul Helmke, is that you?!

greybeard
10-10-2011, 3:09 PM
Well I do thank him for my ability to buy ammo cheaply and making the process to get a LTC more stright forward. The other bills not so much.

Rivers
10-10-2011, 3:09 PM
In the 1970ís I helped vote Jerry Brown into office as I did in the last election and will do again in the next election.

Considering he is on the second of his two term-limited gubernatorial stints and cannot run a third time, I think you're going to be disappointed.

SwissFluCase
10-10-2011, 3:11 PM
http://corndogger.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/must_not_feed_the_troll.jpg

:D

Regards,


SwissFluCase

Kestryll
10-10-2011, 3:11 PM
I just generated this one...kinda proud of myself. ;)

http://images.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/10537244.jpg

I kinda like mine...

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a297/Kestrylll/ibtl-1.gif

radioburning
10-10-2011, 3:13 PM
Wow, a real life actual troll on CG!:)

Stonewalker
10-10-2011, 3:14 PM
Guys, the 2nd amendment forum should be the perfect place for a real anti to come and discuss/share opinions. You are acting like those off-topic dogs.

taperxz
10-10-2011, 3:16 PM
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o280/mandycool164/funny%20family%20photo/troll.jpg

Stonewalker
10-10-2011, 3:17 PM
This guy is less of a troll than troll than Wild Squid (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=487095). A troll is not just somebody who has opposing views, a troll is somebody just trying to stoke the flames without any evidence or real argument... which this guy may or may not be doing, why don't we wait to find out before you all circle the wagons and go all retard-strength flipout?

Just Dave
10-10-2011, 3:17 PM
Governor Brown did a great service to the citizens of the state of California by signing these bills into law and understanding the need for further controls on firearms ownership. In the 1970ís I helped vote Jerry Brown into office as I did in the last election and will do again in the next election. I will always stand by my belief that only the Police need possess loaded firearms among the citizens of the United States and the Military where conflict exists. I know the Right Wing owners of this website will ban me for expressing my views so be it I could care less.

Yes! GOOD JOB!! Now we can make guns illegal just like cocaine, this way nobody will have they them!!

On behalf of the Mafia and other organized crime groups I would like to thank you for your continued support of the outlawing of guns.

Now hand over your wallet :chris:

taperxz
10-10-2011, 3:17 PM
Guys, the 2nd amendment forum should be the perfect place for a real anti to come and discuss/share opinions. You are acting like those off-topic dogs.

In most cases, YES! In this case....:facepalm:

Mstrty
10-10-2011, 3:18 PM
Please lock! tired of looking at the title already.

hill billy
10-10-2011, 3:19 PM
I kinda like mine...

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a297/Kestrylll/ibtl-1.gif

I like it but the watermark takes away some of the drama.

Temporaryscars
10-10-2011, 3:19 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v309/temporaryscars/Drug_Dealer.jpg

taperxz
10-10-2011, 3:19 PM
Wild Squid has been around since 08, has 3 itrader ratings and almost 500 posts.

bulgron
10-10-2011, 3:20 PM
Governor Brown did a great service to the citizens of the state of California by signing these bills into law and understanding the need for further controls on firearms ownership. In the 1970ís I helped vote Jerry Brown into office as I did in the last election and will do again in the next election. I will always stand by my belief that only the Police need possess loaded firearms among the citizens of the United States and the Military where conflict exists. I know the Right Wing owners of this website will ban me for expressing my views so be it I could care less.

You could care less? Really? So what do we have to do to help you care less? Pay attention to your wah-wah?

http://www.imnotthatdrunk.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/man_crying_3.jpg

taperxz
10-10-2011, 3:21 PM
:lurk5:

Here we go...

Temporaryscars
10-10-2011, 3:23 PM
You could care less? Really? So what do we have to do to help you care less? Pay attention to your wah-wah?

http://www.imnotthatdrunk.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/man_crying_3.jpg

Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. I hate it when people say that too. :(

21SF
10-10-2011, 3:25 PM
WIth Dumb "rears" like you, we would still be British ruled......

stix213
10-10-2011, 3:26 PM
How to deal with trolls:

VJACFMc-Rb4

Just Dave
10-10-2011, 3:27 PM
I guess :troll: ran away.

sevensix2x51
10-10-2011, 3:28 PM
WiAAFjbvOsM

vincewarde
10-10-2011, 3:28 PM
Let's look at these Bill by Bill:

Signed SB 819 (DROS funds can be used by DOJ) - A tax issue more than a gun control issue, no surprise here.

Signed AB 144 (Ban open carry) - Brown is a good lawyer, and he knows this will probably force shall issue concealed carry. He's either willing to "risk" that, or he wants shall issue. Too soon to know what results may be, but could be good for gun rights.

Signed AB 809 (Registration of long guns, that means shotguns too) - MAY be unconstitutional under Heller II, and Brown surely knows this too - but I'll call this one the only clear victory for gun control.

Signed SB 610 (Standardization of CCW application process) - An NRA backed bill, signed by Brown. Victory for the gun rights movement

Vetoed SB 427 (Ammo registration) - Vetoed as unconstitutional. Let's get real, this would have been the worst of the bills. It would have discouraged people from shooting by driving ammo prices through the roof and less available by reducing outlets. It would have treated gun owners like criminals.

So, Brown signed two anti-gun rights bills - one of which has been predicted by many to have a pro-gun rights result. He vetoed one anti-gun rights bill, and signed one pro-gun rights bill. In addition he signed a tax bill.

In contrast, our RINO previous governor signed a bill very similar to the bill Brown vetoed. If I were a gun control advocate, I do not think I would be happy either.

tacticalcity
10-10-2011, 3:28 PM
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o280/mandycool164/funny%20family%20photo/troll.jpg

Best troll picture EVER!!! So gonna steal that and use it in the future.

All irony aside, our 2nd Amendment right guarentees his 1st amendment right. Maybe if he sticks around a while he'll learn something. Doubtful, but you never know. It is just that he doesn't realize it.

I'm a cold dead hands kinda guy but I'm in no hurry to chase of every anti under the sun. My convictions are strong enough to withstand and counter any argument he makes. He just hasn't made one yet. He just wants to stir the pot and ruffle some feathers.

taperxz
10-10-2011, 3:29 PM
Best troll picture EVER!!!

What??? Don't make fun of me!!

radioman
10-10-2011, 3:30 PM
I sent a PM to ww2ol and a link to warren v DC 1981, I hope he/she sees the truth, the cops won't save you, you need a gun to save your self.

SideWinder11
10-10-2011, 3:31 PM
Governor Brown did a great service to the citizens of the state of California by signing these bills into law and understanding the need for further controls on firearms ownership. In the 1970’s I helped vote Jerry Brown into office as I did in the last election and will do again in the next election. I will always stand by my belief that only the Police need possess loaded firearms among the citizens of the United States and the Military where conflict exists. I know the Right Wing owners of this website will ban me for expressing my views so be it I could care less.

I was surprised a lot of people on this site voted for him too.

Oceanbob
10-10-2011, 3:33 PM
I'll bet I could change your mind over Lunch and some time at the Range. :D

You may have a morbid fear of guns which is not realistic.

I've used a weapon to save my life......how about you?

As for Lunch...I'am buying.

Bob

Kodemonkey
10-10-2011, 3:34 PM
I actually wouldn't call that trolling, he's not even baiting. Trolling is more subtle of an art form.

I'd actually like to see what his side is. Why would it be better that only the Police should posses firearms?

smird
10-10-2011, 3:35 PM
What are you basing that "guess" on? Let's not debase LEO's, they have enough problems as it is. ;)

I'm not debasing leos I'm debasing this guy. I'm basing my guess of him being a leo on the fact:

1) He states only leo and military should have guns. In his second post he's wanting to buy a gun. So he's either lying or he's military or leo and it's ok for him.

2) In his first post he's reminiscing about an old police training video. Sounds like something someone in law enforcement would do.

Do not assume I don't like LEOs that would eliminate quite a few of my family and friends. ;)

tacticalcity
10-10-2011, 3:43 PM
Let's look at these Bill by Bill:

Signed SB 819 (DROS funds can be used by DOJ) - A tax issue more than a gun control issue, no surprise here.

Signed AB 144 (Ban open carry) - Brown is a good lawyer, and he knows this will probably force shall issue concealed carry. He's either willing to "risk" that, or he wants shall issue. Too soon to know what results may be, but could be good for gun rights.

Signed AB 809 (Registration of long guns, that means shotguns too) - MAY be unconstitutional under Heller II, and Brown surely knows this too - but I'll call this one the only clear victory for gun control.

Signed SB 610 (Standardization of CCW application process) - An NRA backed bill, signed by Brown. Victory for the gun rights movement

Vetoed SB 427 (Ammo registration) - Vetoed as unconstitutional. Let's get real, this would have been the worst of the bills. It would have discouraged people from shooting by driving ammo prices through the roof and less available by reducing outlets. It would have treated gun owners like criminals.

So, Brown signed two anti-gun rights bills - one of which has been predicted by many to have a pro-gun rights result. He vetoed one anti-gun rights bill, and signed one pro-gun rights bill. In addition he signed a tax bill.

In contrast, our RINO previous governor signed a bill very similar to the bill Brown vetoed. If I were a gun control advocate, I do not think I would be happy either.

Brown also screwed over LEOs with an opinion letter reversing the previous opinion of the attorney generals office that officers that purchase AWs on their own dime would be allowed to keep them after retirement, turning those who already retired and kept them into criminals and screwing them all out of hard earned cash. Had they not previously been told they could keep them by the AG's office they could have planned accordingly and used off-list brands that could be deregistred and converted to non-AWs when they retire. Instead most bought on list brands because of those brands wider acceptance amogst law enforcement agencies nation wide.

While not a bill, opinion letters from the AG carry the weight of law. Judges rarely if ever rule against them. The fact that the previous letters were not directly from the AG, but a member of the previous AGs staff do not help the LEOs case. But clearly, they got the short end of the stick on this one. Promises were made and later broken.

If this had happened to civilians, there would have been some sort of registration process to cover those who who purchased in good faith based on the promises of the AG before the office changed it's mind. But the civilian gun community resents that LEOs were ever allowed to purchase AWs while the general populace was denied that right. So the required political pressure that should be there, isn't. There is a real, "I'm taking my ball and going home attitude amongst those who would otherwise be very vocal about defending gun owners".

I'm not saying Brown is flat out anti-gun but he's clearly not pro-gun either. He's a politician. He'll go which ever way makes the most sense for him. It's our job to make it so vetoing anti-gun bills are in his best interest. Not always an easy task in this liberal state but when we screw that up, we're to blame.

Personally I think we are missing the ball by not coming to the officers defense here. If it is considered socially acceptable for retired officers to own AWs, then it is not such a huge leap for people to see the need seperated and retired military to own AWs. Eventually the guns become devillianized. Once it's not such a taboo to own an AR or AK the it won't be such a large leap for the general population to see how everyone should be able to own them. Too many people are so absorbed with their own immediate interests to see how something that benefits others could eventually be used to benefit them. They are so busy taking the hard line, the miss out on opportunity after opportunity to gain ground on the overall PR war.

CessnaDriver
10-10-2011, 3:44 PM
Guess this person has never been or knows a victim of violent crime and how a loaded firearm would have saved the day and lives of innocents. Nor has any compassion whatsoever for future victims that could have not been. Or would have disarmed those that have defended themselves and let them be raped, murdered or maimed.

loose_electron
10-10-2011, 3:45 PM
This reminds me of a quiet calm day
and there is this perfectly calm flat
pond of water.

Somebody standing by the pond tosses a big rock
out in the middle of the pond and watches the ripples.

Everybody posting here (myself included) are those ripples...

SteveH
10-10-2011, 3:51 PM
Kudos to Gov Brown. I'm particularly thrilled that Kami Harris now has the funding to go after all those evil men who do dangeous stuff like file for divorse. Now she has the fiscal resources to confiscate their firearms. Its for the children.

ElvenSoul
10-10-2011, 3:57 PM
You guys really thought he would VETO! Come on how long ya been a 2A Supporter? Don't you know we have to sue their a@@es in court to get any rights.

tacticalcity
10-10-2011, 4:02 PM
Guess this person has never been or knows a victim of violent crime and how a loaded firearm would have saved the day and lives of innocents. Nor has any compassion whatsoever for future victims that could have not been. Or would have disarmed those that have defended themselves and let them be raped, murdered or maimed.

I've got a friend who was raped, and even after that experience I am unable to convince her the value of the right to bear arms. So has been so indoctrinated with leftist ideals that she is incapable of getting the concept. Frustrates the heck out of me. She is extremely involved with support groups, and anti-rape organizations. I just can't get her to embrace firearms as an effective means of protection. It doesn't help that the noise of them triggers her PTSD. Loud noise in general tends to trigger it.

Pink Pistols (http://www.pinkpistols.org) on the other hand is a great example of a statistically liberal group of people embracing the 2nd Amendment on an organizational level as a direct result of being targeted for abuse. They are winning hearts and minds of liberals everywhere.

Who knew that as a heterosexual Christian male a gay organization would be one of my favorite political groups?

The very existence of Pink Pistols and their mission is a great way to make liberals think twice about taking a hard line on gun control. They tend to accept the premise of homosexualities as an oppressed group that is abused at every turn and ignored by police that might otherwise come to their aid (remember they think the police are the only ones who should have guns). I am not saying that is true, I am saying it is a perception a liberal probably has. So it is easy for them to accept the concept that a homosexual might need a gun to defend themselves as compared to an average citizen. The idea that there is an organization educating the gay community on the safe and effective use of firearms makes a bit of sense to them. Then the door is open to start talking about rape victims, and move on from there...

CessnaDriver
10-10-2011, 4:08 PM
I've got a friend who was raped, and even after that experience I am unable to convince her the value of the right to bear arms. So has been so indoctrinated with leftist ideals that she is incapable of getting the concept. Frustrates the heck out of me.

Pink Pistols (http://www.pinkpistols.org) on the other hand is a great example of a statistically liberal group of people embracing the 2nd Amendment on an organisational level as a direct result of being targetted for abuse. They are winning hearts and minds of liberals everywhere.

Who knew that as a heterosexual Christian male a gay organzation would be one of my favorite political groups?


It blows my mind that anyone would deny another law abiding human being the basic right of self defense and ability to defend their loved ones.

Ask your friend that got raped if she would use a firearm to protect children from the same fate or worse?

That usually gets a different response.

And that people have done so.

If someone wants to live some sort of passive life, that's their right, but they should not expect the rest of us to do so.

jrr
10-10-2011, 4:10 PM
LOL> Sorry dude, this isn't like the Braady FaceBook page where you get banned and deleted for saying things we disagree with.

Unlike you, most gun owners support ALL of the Amendments, 1st included. Although, I am a little iffy on the whole quartering of soldiers in time of war......

Anyways... the true sign of a losing argument is the devolution to simple name calling and insults. So go ahead, call us names.. it just proves WE ARE WINNING. (to steal a tagline:tt2: )

tacticalcity
10-10-2011, 4:16 PM
It blows my mind that anyone would deny another law abiding human being the basic right of self defense and ability to defend their loved ones.

Ask your friend that got raped if she would use a firearm to protect children from the same fate or worse?

That usually gets a different response.

And that people have done so.

If someone wants to live some sort of passive life, that's their right, but they should not expect the rest of us to do so.

Never been around anybody with PTSD?

She shuts down bro. Starts shaking and her eyes glaze over and she's back in that NY alley. She can't go there once it becomes real in her mind. So the liberal line is like a security blanket for her. She has to keep it intellectual and not personal in her head. Once it gets too real in her head she freaks out and only a monster would keep pressing the point with her. It's frustrating in the sense that if anybody should get it, it is her. But she can't go there. The incident literally left her disabled.

That guy did a real number on her. She'll be dealing with the after math for life.

Which for me is all the justification I need to support the 2nd Amendment, all the intellectual reasons I have aside. I simply refuse to be a victim.

6172crew
10-10-2011, 4:23 PM
I just generated this one...kinda proud of myself. ;)

http://images.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/10537244.jpg

Is that the famous baguette helmet in your avatar? That dude cracks me up everytime I see him.

donw
10-10-2011, 4:23 PM
Governor Brown did a great service to the citizens of the state of California by signing these bills into law and understanding the need for further controls on firearms ownership. In the 1970ís I helped vote Jerry Brown into office as I did in the last election and will do again in the next election. I will always stand by my belief that only the Police need possess loaded firearms among the citizens of the United States and the Military where conflict exists. I know the Right Wing owners of this website will ban me for expressing my views so be it I could care less.

you are entitled to your beliefs...i am entitled to mine.

that does not mean i accept, or agree, with you.

but i do feel sympathy for you.

you fall into the all too common, "Victim" mentality...for that...i do indeed feel sorry for you. i would assume you have been trained to let others fight for you, when and if it becomes necessary. :(

cmaynes
10-10-2011, 4:24 PM
Governor Brown did a great service to the citizens of the state of California by signing these bills into law and understanding the need for further controls on firearms ownership. In the 1970ís I helped vote Jerry Brown into office as I did in the last election and will do again in the next election. I will always stand by my belief that only the Police need possess loaded firearms among the citizens of the United States and the Military where conflict exists. I know the Right Wing owners of this website will ban me for expressing my views so be it I could care less.

I am sure you would like that- though the members here actually support all the Rights set forth in the Bill of Rights. Since you seem so uncomfortable with that, I would also think you might not support other Civil Rights.

cmaynes
10-10-2011, 4:28 PM
I've got a friend who was raped, and even after that experience I am unable to convince her the value of the right to bear arms. So has been so indoctrinated with leftist ideals that she is incapable of getting the concept. Frustrates the heck out of me. She is extremely involved with support groups, and anti-rape organizations. I just can't get her to embrace firearms as an effective means of protection. It doesn't help that the noise of them triggers her PTSD. Loud noise in general tends to trigger it.

Pink Pistols (http://www.pinkpistols.org) on the other hand is a great example of a statistically liberal group of people embracing the 2nd Amendment on an organizational level as a direct result of being targeted for abuse. They are winning hearts and minds of liberals everywhere.

Who knew that as a heterosexual Christian male a gay organization would be one of my favorite political groups?

The very existence of Pink Pistols and their mission is a great way to make liberals think twice about taking a hard line on gun control. They tend to accept the premise of homosexualities as an oppressed group that is abused at every turn and ignored by police that might otherwise come to their aid (remember they think the police are the only ones who should have guns). I am not saying that is true, I am saying it is a perception a liberal probably has. So it is easy for them to accept the concept that a homosexual might need a gun to defend themselves as compared to an average citizen. The idea that there is an organization educating the gay community on the safe and effective use of firearms makes a bit of sense to them. Then the door is open to start talking about rape victims, and move on from there...

Speaking as a hetero Christian father of four, I am right there with you... Pink Pistols is what CIVIL RIGHTS activism is all about.

huntercf
10-10-2011, 4:51 PM
Governor Brown did a great service to the citizens of the state of California by signing these bills into law and understanding the need for further controls on firearms ownership. In the 1970ís I helped vote Jerry Brown into office as I did in the last election and will do again in the next election. I will always stand by my belief that only the Police need possess loaded firearms among the citizens of the United States and the Military where conflict exists. I know the Right Wing owners of this website will ban me for expressing my views so be it I could care less.

Hey Troll, I'll give up my right to bear arms if you give up ALL your rights first, say life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. This isn't a threat against your person, just a fair is fair comment. You can also add 1A, so now you can't say anything because someone might be offended. Oh, I could go on.
BTW, welcome to calguns, stick around and you might learn something. Shoot, you might even want to join the darkside and buy a gun and see what all the hoopla is about, it might even save your life or the lives of your loved ones someday. Keep in mind that the courts have ruled that the police have NO obligation to respond to your emergency or protect you!
Lastly, thanks for the diversion from yesterday's spankings. But how do you know that we didn't secretly like it.

Corbin Dallas
10-10-2011, 5:00 PM
Governor Brown did a great service to the citizens of the state of California by signing these bills into law and understanding the need for further controls on firearms ownership. In the 1970ís I helped vote Jerry Brown into office as I did in the last election and will do again in the next election. I will always stand by my belief that only the Police need possess loaded firearms among the citizens of the United States and the Military where conflict exists. I know the Right Wing owners of this website will ban me for expressing my views so be it I could care less.


You can have my civil rights when you're willing to give up yours...

otalps
10-10-2011, 5:01 PM
I will always stand by my belief that only the Police need possess loaded firearms among the citizens of the United States and the Military where conflict exists.

I will always stand by my belief that you and your ilk are responsible for untold crimes and the deaths of thousands if not millions of innocents. Do you feel superior being allied with criminals, violent racists and perpetrators of genocide?

Corbin Dallas
10-10-2011, 5:01 PM
Hey Troll, I'll give up my right to bear arms if you give up ALL your rights first, say life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. This isn't a threat against your person, just a fair is fair comment. You can also add 1A, so now you can't say anything because someone might be offended. Oh, I could go on.
BTW, welcome to calguns, stick around and you might learn something. Shoot, you might even want to join the darkside and buy a gun and see what all the hoopla is about, it might even save your life or the lives of your loved ones someday. Keep in mind that the courts have ruled that the police have NO obligation to respond to your emergency or protect you!
Lastly, thanks for the diversion from yesterday's spankings. But how do you know that we didn't secretly like it.


The user has a gun already. Typical brady bunch follower. Do as I say, not as I do mentality.

JerryM
10-10-2011, 5:11 PM
this is the only explanation:

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l132/killslowly/Kestryll.jpg

Socom16Fan
10-10-2011, 5:14 PM
Hey ww2ol,

Check it out....



In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control and from 1929 to 1953,
about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded
up and exterminated.
------------------------------
In 1911, Turkey established gun control and from 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million
Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were r ounded up and exterminated.
------------------------------
Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of
13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were
rounded up and exterminated.
------------------------------
China established gun control in 1935 and from 1948 to 1952, 20 million political
dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
------------------------------
Guatemala established gun control in 1964 and from 1964 to 1981, 100,000
Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
------------------------------
Uganda established gun control in 1970 and from 1971 to 1979, 300,000
Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
------------------------------
Cambodia established gun control in 1956 and from 1975 to 1977, one million educated' people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.
------------------------------
Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century
because of gun control: 56 million.


Ask Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, et al.... Gun Control worked great for them.

VW*Mike
10-10-2011, 5:21 PM
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_D60xnL33mvQ/SJpOjH8CwcI/AAAAAAAAADc/JcTvNBkxd20/s320/troll.gif

vonderplatz
10-10-2011, 5:26 PM
It's not locked yet:p I didn't think I would make it. I would not mind Antis on calguns, but not just to troll.

tenpercentfirearms
10-10-2011, 5:56 PM
Governor Brown did a great service to the citizens of the state of California by signing these bills into law and understanding the need for further controls on firearms ownership. In the 1970ís I helped vote Jerry Brown into office as I did in the last election and will do again in the next election. I will always stand by my belief that only the Police need possess loaded firearms among the citizens of the United States and the Military where conflict exists. I know the Right Wing owners of this website will ban me for expressing my views so be it I could care less.

It is too bad you don't offer up any evidence on the effectiveness of gun control laws. I would find your rationale interesting on why you think any of these new laws are actually going to make you any safer.

For example, counties like Sacramento have recently gone to shall issue so there are actually more loaded firearms in public than there ever have been. Have we seen a rise in crime as a result?

California has had more restrictive gun laws than the rest of the nation for some time, how do our crime rates compare to the rest of the nation?

Has handgun registration cut down crime at all? If not, then how will long gun registration cut down on crime any?

Your little gamble failed. You haven't been banned. That is the difference between people like you and rational, liberty loving people like us. We are not afraid to debate the issues. We know we stand behind the side of liberty and not the side of "my belief".

These bills are not going to change the behavior of criminals at all. All you are doing is supporting the loss of your constitutional rights under some guise of safety.

Please feel free to address my comments. You haven't been banned, so it would be nice to hear your side of the story.

vincewarde
10-10-2011, 6:00 PM
I'm not saying Brown is flat out anti-gun but he's clearly not pro-gun either. He's a politician. He'll go which ever way makes the most sense for him.

True, but my point is not that Brown deserves a 100% NRA rating. My point is that we cold have had worse, and we have had worse. I would rather have Brown than either the RINO we had or the RINO we could have had. They clearly would have signed all of the anti-gun bills. Brown signed 2 and vetoed the worst.

tankarian
10-10-2011, 6:03 PM
This thread is like this: one fool throws a stone in the sea, one hundred wise men spend years looking for a way to bring it back.

bomb_on_bus
10-10-2011, 6:16 PM
Guess the OP had too thin a skin to take a good ol fashioned interwebz FLAMMIN! Guess the OPs next move is to ban the interwebz.

scarville
10-10-2011, 6:25 PM
The sad part is that Mr. Sanderson is so afraid of free expression and differing ideas being allowed that instead of trying to back up his position like a man, he merely watches the thread from afar and refuses to comment further. I have a word for folks like him that I will keep to myself. :D
The expert troll only posts once in a thread then sits back and watches the show.

DonFerrando
10-10-2011, 6:49 PM
I will always stand by my belief that only the Police need possess loaded firearms among the citizens of the United States and the Military where conflict exists.

Your type always knows what's best for other people.

Ubermcoupe
10-10-2011, 6:50 PM
IBTL

Cali-Shooter
10-10-2011, 7:24 PM
Governor Brown did a great service to the citizens of the state of California by signing these bills into law and understanding the need for further controls on firearms ownership. In the 1970ís I helped vote Jerry Brown into office as I did in the last election and will do again in the next election. I will always stand by my belief that only the Police need possess loaded firearms among the citizens of the United States and the Military where conflict exists. I know the Right Wing owners of this website will ban me for expressing my views so be it I could care less.

Look, it's a Bradyite! :facepalm:

Despite your significantly unpopular values and beliefs, I bet you won't be banned unless you break forum rules. I do expect this thread won't last very long however...

Spirit 1
10-10-2011, 8:15 PM
Governor Brown did a great service to the citizens of the state of California by signing these bills into law and understanding the need for further controls on firearms ownership. In the 1970ís I helped vote Jerry Brown into office as I did in the last election and will do again in the next election. I will always stand by my belief that only the Police need possess loaded firearms among the citizens of the United States and the Military where conflict exists. I know the Right Wing owners of this website will ban me for expressing my views so be it I could care less.

What logic & facts do you offer to support your argument? You took the first step of making a challenge, so on what sensible thoughts is it based?

dg29
10-10-2011, 8:29 PM
Well if you don't find what you're looking for in your post, OP, maybe you'd like to meet for a cup of joe under one of your favorite bridges? We could further discuss your happiness.

glockwise2000
10-10-2011, 8:36 PM
Just relax guys. Don't fall through his bait.

monk
10-10-2011, 8:56 PM
I really really hate it when people gloat. The OP smells of smugness and I wish I could punch them. But, we are in a civilized society, so instead I will sue them for hurting my sensibilities. And then I will scream and cry for legislation to come into effect that will prevent smug people like them from spreading their smugness into our civilized world.

Joe
10-10-2011, 9:19 PM
All your rights are belong to us

Joe
10-10-2011, 9:23 PM
Its a good thing that the bill of rights was set up to protect our fundamental human rights from "your beliefs"

Your beliefs, on this matter, are completely irrelevant.

creekside
10-10-2011, 9:29 PM
Governor Brown did a great service to the citizens of the state of California by signing these bills into law and understanding the need for further controls on firearms ownership. In the 1970ís I helped vote Jerry Brown into office as I did in the last election and will do again in the next election. I will always stand by my belief that only the Police need possess loaded firearms among the citizens of the United States and the Military where conflict exists. I know the Right Wing owners of this website will ban me for expressing my views so be it I could care less.

Welcome to the discussion. As long as you present your point of view with civility, you will remain welcome.

I'm curious why you feel that the police are so trustworthy with firearms when the mass of the general public are not.

Does your statement "military where conflict exists" imply that the military should not train with loaded firearms domestically?

How do you feel about the shooting sports? What about hunting? Subsistence hunting for food is still practiced in some parts of the United States, particularly among Alaskan natives. Hunting tourism brings money into remote, impoverished areas.

Please, let us know what you think. Trying to understand why people are unreasonably, irrationally afraid of loaded firearms is important to us.

Thank you for taking the time to post.

frankm
10-10-2011, 10:19 PM
God, I hate communists.

gmcal
10-10-2011, 10:33 PM
Guess the OP had too thin a skin to take a good ol fashioned interwebz FLAMMIN! Guess the OPs next move is to ban the interwebz.

No, I'm pretty sure he accomplished his goal of making an inflamatory statement to get people riled up and sit back and laugh at those falling for it.

h0use
10-11-2011, 1:36 AM
Another troll hiding behind his computer.

chim-chim7
10-11-2011, 2:26 AM
You are intitled to your opinion and your statement does not rattle my core in the slightest, as you hoped it would. Thing is, I still have a way to protect myself and you do not. I pray that nothing ever happens to you or your family where a gun might have prevented a dreadfull outcome. Unloaded open carry of a handgun will be banned soon, so you better get used to people carrying AR-15's to your local Starbucks or local mall. This bill signed to law should help others like myself to get CCW permits. I will then be carrying a loaded, and concealed handgun.

Steve1968LS2
10-11-2011, 7:26 AM
The sad part is that Mr. Sanderson is so afraid of free expression and differing ideas being allowed that instead of trying to back up his position like a man, he merely watches the thread from afar and refuses to comment further. I have a word for folks like him that I will keep to myself. :D

That's typically because thier arguments are weak.. the far left generally relies on emotion rather than logic and facts.. mainly because they are lacking the later two.

Steve1968LS2
10-11-2011, 7:27 AM
No, I'm pretty sure he accomplished his goal of making an inflamatory statement to get people riled up and sit back and laugh at those falling for it.

Funny.. I don't see anyone "riled up".. mainly just amused at the troll...

Ornery Ol Bastard
10-11-2011, 8:09 AM
Olsen Johnson is right about Howard Johnson being right...

sakosf
10-11-2011, 8:43 AM
Best thing to do is not feed the troll......just ignore it (him)

Bhobbs
10-11-2011, 8:52 AM
Let's look at these Bill by Bill:

Signed AB 144 (Ban open carry) - Brown is a good lawyer, and he knows this will probably force shall issue concealed carry. He's either willing to "risk" that, or he wants shall issue. Too soon to know what results may be, but could be good for gun rights.

Vetoed SB 427 (Ammo registration) - Vetoed as unconstitutional. Let's get real, this would have been the worst of the bills. It would have discouraged people from shooting by driving ammo prices through the roof and less available by reducing outlets. It would have treated gun owners like criminals.


I keep seeing people say that AB144 will force shall issue. They keep waving it in our faces like they did Brown's brief. As I understand it UOC was ONE reason the cases were lost. Do you think the judges here will ever give us a substantial victory like shall issue LTC?

The SB427 veto letter seemed to me like Brown was telling the legislature to be patient before banning ammo due to current ammo ban litigation. The message was for to them, not us.

MolonLabe2008
10-11-2011, 8:58 AM
Governor Brown did a great service to the citizens of the state of California by signing these bills into law and understanding the need for further controls on firearms ownership. In the 1970’s I helped vote Jerry Brown into office as I did in the last election and will do again in the next election. I will always stand by my belief that only the Police need possess loaded firearms among the citizens of the United States and the Military where conflict exists. I know the Right Wing owners of this website will ban me for expressing my views so be it I could care less.

Ah, let me guess, you hated Bush for warrantless wiretapping, but you love Brown for warrantless cell phones searches.

Am I right?

J.D.Allen
10-11-2011, 9:03 AM
This thread just made my day. :rofl2:

Wherryj
10-11-2011, 9:13 AM
Governor Brown did a great service to the citizens of the state of California by signing these bills into law and understanding the need for further controls on firearms ownership. In the 1970ís I helped vote Jerry Brown into office as I did in the last election and will do again in the next election. I will always stand by my belief that only the Police need possess loaded firearms among the citizens of the United States and the Military where conflict exists. I know the Right Wing owners of this website will ban me for expressing my views so be it I could care less.

Actually you might be surprised who "owns" this website. The Calguns foundation and forum have members from all parts of the political spectrum.

I also believe that you'll be wrong about being banned just for expressing an opinion contrary to the predominant opinion of the forum. Banning is typically reserved for those who "troll", not those who disagree.

Welcome to Calguns. Be prepared to debate your opinions in a civil and logical manner.

OleCuss
10-11-2011, 9:17 AM
No problem with the OP being here. Useful to hear the opponents of civil rights.

But, of course, there is a huge problem with the idea that only cops should have guns.

The Bad Guys have guns. You may want only the cops to have guns, but that will never be the case. Australia, UK, etc. have adequately demonstrated that.

So what the OP position comes out to is, "Only Vicious predators and cops should have guns, the responsible non-LEO citizen is the only demographic that should not."

In an ideal world, there should be no need for guns. No one will attack another. No need for self-defense even from wild animals. If you need to eat a Deer it will come up to you, lie down, die, a seam in its torso will open and its guts, lungs, etc will expel themselves and their skin will peel off.

Somehow I don't think the ideal world is right around the corner.

I don't think I'll rely on cops to show up to protect me in places where I can't even call for help and where it might take hours for cops to arrive anyway. Oh, and let's remember that cops don't even have a duty to defend you. . . God bless our cops but they can't be everywhere at once.

njost
10-11-2011, 10:05 AM
Let's look at these Bill by Bill:

Signed SB 819 (DROS funds can be used by DOJ) - A tax issue more than a gun control issue, no surprise here.

Signed AB 144 (Ban open carry) - Brown is a good lawyer, and he knows this will probably force shall issue concealed carry. He's either willing to "risk" that, or he wants shall issue. Too soon to know what results may be, but could be good for gun rights.

Signed AB 809 (Registration of long guns, that means shotguns too) - MAY be unconstitutional under Heller II, and Brown surely knows this too - but I'll call this one the only clear victory for gun control.

Signed SB 610 (Standardization of CCW application process) - An NRA backed bill, signed by Brown. Victory for the gun rights movement

Vetoed SB 427 (Ammo registration) - Vetoed as unconstitutional. Let's get real, this would have been the worst of the bills. It would have discouraged people from shooting by driving ammo prices through the roof and less available by reducing outlets. It would have treated gun owners like criminals.

So, Brown signed two anti-gun rights bills - one of which has been predicted by many to have a pro-gun rights result. He vetoed one anti-gun rights bill, and signed one pro-gun rights bill. In addition he signed a tax bill.

In contrast, our RINO previous governor signed a bill very similar to the bill Brown vetoed. If I were a gun control advocate, I do not think I would be happy either.

I'm new to gun ownership and this forum having inherited a gun a few years ago and found out that I like shooting and would be happy to carry one. But I agree with the above assessment and I'm a hard core conservative Republican. Brown here has if anything paved the way for CCW and has been far more accommodating in this batch of laws than our previous governor. The Wild Squid's comment is wildly off the mark. I actually came here to check on the comments after listening to KQED's forum this morning (I like NPR...go figure). One guy rightly sighted the recent Cupertino shootings as good reason for carry (on foot shooter survives getting found for almost 24 hours) but I had to disagree with him on Gov. Brown's signings.

This is a win. I'm going to drink champagne tonight. I hope the rest of you enjoy yourselves too. Brown was by far the best of the Democratic alternatives and the one most likely to be favorable to our cause. Newsom would never have been so kind. Fear that.

tuolumnejim
10-11-2011, 7:14 PM
http://inlinethumb05.webshots.com/5700/2966580490072664822S500x500Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2966580490072664822FpcpWn)

Thats great. :43:

Oh and for our new member.



http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n104/tuolumnejim/Troll_spray.jpg

Doug L
10-12-2011, 9:31 AM
Governor Brown did a great service to the citizens of the state of California by signing these bills into law and understanding the need for further controls on firearms ownership. In the 1970ís I helped vote Jerry Brown into office as I did in the last election and will do again in the next election. I will always stand by my belief that only the Police need possess loaded firearms among the citizens of the United States and the Military where conflict exists. I know the Right Wing owners of this website will ban me for expressing my views so be it I could care less.

Apparently, we have an infiltrator...or a comedian.

Maestro Pistolero
10-12-2011, 10:40 AM
OP, I promise not to offend your values by intervening with lethal force to save your arse from any vicious, criminal attack.

MrClamperSir
10-12-2011, 10:46 AM
:1eye:

fpeel
10-12-2011, 12:07 PM
ww2ol, thank you for the comedic relief. Best set of chuckles I've laid eyes on in awhile!

So, do tell: what's your next pratfall going to be? No, wait, hold the spoiler. The suspense will make it all the better.

Thanks again.

CEDaytonaRydr
10-12-2011, 12:53 PM
Governor Brown did a great service to the citizens of the state of California by signing these bills into law and understanding the need for further controls on firearms ownership. In the 1970ís I helped vote Jerry Brown into office as I did in the last election and will do again in the next election. I will always stand by my belief that only the Police need possess loaded firearms among the citizens of the United States and the Military where conflict exists. I know the Right Wing owners of this website will ban me for expressing my views so be it I could care less.

So, just to let you know, all of these "great services" that Governor Brown just did for you are going to be overturned. The rifle DROS was already deamed unconstitutional, DROS fees are not going to be used as another "tax" and banning Open Carry is going to now allow us to sue because of counties like L.A. who don't allow CCWs to be granted to "normal" citizens.

All Governor Brown did is sucker a few of the most gullible and uninformed Californians that he is pandering to their anti-constitutional perspective. :rolleyes:

IntoForever
10-12-2011, 1:55 PM
Governor Brown did a great service to the citizens of the state of California by signing these bills into law and understanding the need for further controls on firearms ownership. In the 1970ís I helped vote Jerry Brown into office as I did in the last election and will do again in the next election. I will always stand by my belief that only the Police need possess loaded firearms among the citizens of the United States and the Military where conflict exists. I know the Right Wing owners of this website will ban me for expressing my views so be it I could care less.

Hey ww2ol,

Check it out....



In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control and from 1929 to 1953,
about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded
up and exterminated.
------------------------------
In 1911, Turkey established gun control and from 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million
Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were r ounded up and exterminated.
------------------------------
Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of
13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were
rounded up and exterminated.
------------------------------
China established gun control in 1935 and from 1948 to 1952, 20 million political
dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
------------------------------
Guatemala established gun control in 1964 and from 1964 to 1981, 100,000
Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
------------------------------
Uganda established gun control in 1970 and from 1971 to 1979, 300,000
Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
------------------------------
Cambodia established gun control in 1956 and from 1975 to 1977, one million educated' people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.
------------------------------
Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century
because of gun control: 56 million.


Ask Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, et al.... Gun Control worked great for them.

ww2ol, can you then explain how it worked so well for the stats quoted by Socom16? Can you explain how it's working so well for mexico? If your intent was to get us to fight within ourselves and collapse.... :facepalm:

jm838
10-12-2011, 1:58 PM
Why are we still keeping this thread alive? Just ignore it and let it die. OP is just making unfounded arguments to piss you guys off, and you're playing into his hand. Just leave it alone and it will go away.

hill billy
10-12-2011, 2:04 PM
What did any of the laws passed in the last thirty years do to save those people in Seal Beach today? We all know the sad answer.

mrdd
10-12-2011, 4:37 PM
What did any of the laws passed in the last thirty years do to save those people in Seal Beach today? We all know the sad answer.

Of course, the retort to that is that they have not passed enough laws.

hill billy
10-12-2011, 4:40 PM
Of course, the retort to that is that they have not passed enough laws.

I expect to see an email from the Brady bunch in the next 24 hours saying the same thing. So sad. :(

ZirconJohn
10-12-2011, 5:07 PM
Well... last activity from OP was: 10-10-2011 3:37 PM @ first post of this thread.

Looks like we done run'eem off... ww2ol went runnin' off like a screamin' little girl... :laugh:

OP probably think he done got banned, so why even look and why he don't
come back... banned is what OP expected... but was not to be.

I must say, this thread NOT the same without a punch :biggrinjester: dummy... :no:

cmichini
10-12-2011, 5:15 PM
I don't care what your views are, your other account was banned because dupe accounts are not allowed.

The OP troll is likely confusing what his rights-quashing cronies would do (you know the ones that love free speech as long as they agree with what you're saying).

My guess is, unless he is abusive, or violates any rules he'll be allowed to post.

To other people: don't feed the troll. It's like the bully at school with the tiny d*&k. If you ignore him, he'll likely get bored and go away.

ZirconJohn
10-12-2011, 6:01 PM
Wondering what that ^^^ word is... duck...? :laugh:

A bully with a tiny duck... :smilielol5:

Federalist
10-12-2011, 9:58 PM
May I please have my State back?

May I please have my Nation back?

Somebody seems to have taken them away.