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Stanky626
02-08-2007, 6:08 PM
Hi, I'm a newbie to shotguns & skeet. Can you guys recommend a few affordable shotguns for skeet shooting. I'll probably never go hunting, it's just for sport. My budget is under $500.

I had these in mind:
Escort 12 ga Semi Auto - $399
Stoeger Uplander side-by-side - $399

Are these good for skeet?

Thanks.:)

ysr_racer
02-08-2007, 6:14 PM
I had these in mind:
Escort 12 ga Semi Auto - $399
Stoeger Uplander side-by-side - $399

Are these good for skeet?

Thanks.:)

No on both. Do yourself a favor and buy a Remington 1100 and never look back. There's a reason they've sold millioms of them. http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/images/icons/icon14.gif

classical_buff
02-09-2007, 1:32 AM
How about a used Semi-auto 12 ga shotgun?

Many places would have used semi-auto shotguns for sale. (i.e. Shotgunworld.com, gunbroker or CDNN).
Usually, O/U would be more expensive than semi-auto.

I started shooting Skeet with Browning O/U Citori that a friend lend it to me. When I was hooked, I bought a semi-auto 12ga Huglu shotgun. It was new for $280 a few years ago. Essentially, a copy of Beretta AL390 (made in Turkey, now they are called Dehaan) and function flawlessly.

I still have it but don't get to shoot it anymore after I got Beretta 686 O/U with Briley tube sets.( 20ga, 28ga & 410ga).

Skeet is a great sport and the best therapy/cure against stress & frustration. I wish I can get out more often to shoot.

Good luck with your search.

maxicon
02-09-2007, 10:26 AM
I'd recommend reading up on the vast number of similar posts over at www.shotgunworld.com. It's an incredible resource, and is full of helpful, friendly people. By reading the recommendations, you'll get a feel for what's important to you.

I've been working on this same decision, as my son likes trap and my wife wants to try it. A good O/U is a bit outside my budget for something I don't know if I'll stick with. Also, none of us like heavy recoil much, and a gas-operated semi-auto is generally going to be the softest shooting.

Based on that, I bought an inexpensive Remington 1100 recently ($260 used in great condition - woohoo!). Still waiting for the 10 days, then I'll put it through its paces. It's not a trap gun, but it'll do for now, and you can never have too many good shotguns, right?

It seems like the 2 favorite semi-autos are the 1100 and the Beretta 391. The 391 is a good bit more, but people really like it.

dondo
02-09-2007, 1:03 PM
I bought a Remington Spartan 310 over under in 12ga for the same thing. I am not a hunter although I wouldnt mind doing some bird blasting. Its a pickup truck but points well and is sturdy. the brushed metal receiver is done well and it shoots great. Not as refined as the other guns, but is reliable, functions smooth and I like it. And at 500.00 I do't really care if it gets beat in the field. My .02.
My friend bought the Beretta Onyx or something like that and the difference just in handling is night and day. However, mine does the job and does it well. And when I drop it...I won't need a box of kleenex.

Rob454
02-09-2007, 3:05 PM
I bought a Mossberg 500 from big 5. I paid 260$ for it OTD. I also bought a over and under for 410$ OTD from same place. they had a screw up on the advertised price so I got it for the cheaper price.
Both guns shoot very well wont break the bank, and if they get scratches on them Im not gonna cry about it. Look around. there are plenty of decent shotguns for under 500$. The mossberg is cheap looking Ill definately give you that but it shoots well and it eats any ammo I feed it.
I see guys out at the range or in the bush and they have these really really expensive shotguns and cant hit the broad side of a barn from 30 feet away.

Rob

Stanky626
02-09-2007, 9:55 PM
Great posts! Thanks everyone for their input.

I was at Big 5 today debating over the Mossberg 500 and Remington 870. :rolleyes: However, the lighter recoil of the semi-autos do appeal to me. I'll probably head out to the Ontario Gun Show this weekend and take a look around before my final decision.

A used Shotty is a great idea. :D I'm going to call around this weekend to see what the local shops have in stock.

kilword
02-10-2007, 12:54 AM
skeet skeet skeet

ysr_racer
02-10-2007, 10:13 PM
Trust me, you don't want to shoot any of the clay games with a pump. Now if you just want to go to the range and have fun, a pump is fine.

Stanky626
02-14-2007, 6:10 PM
YSR,

I know you're a big Remington 1100 fan. What do you think of the Remington 1187 Sportsman? Turners has one for $619. It feels comfortable to me. But, I've never fired one before.

maxicon
02-15-2007, 12:15 PM
I just took my new used Remington 1100 (my first semi-auto) out to test-drive at the indoor range, and it was a real pleasure to shoot compared to a pump. I was surprised at how much more fun it was. It's a plain vanilla old-school 1100, but in very nice condition.

I ran a box of 25 discount Walmart target loads, 5 rounds of buck, and 5 slugs through it with no problems and no recoil discomfort. I brought another box of different target loads but accidentally grabbed 20 gauge instead...

I'm really looking forward to taking this out to the trap stations to see how it handles. This may be the start of a whole new obsession...

Stanky626
02-15-2007, 5:30 PM
I'm really looking forward to taking this out to the trap stations to see how it handles. This may be the start of a whole new obsession...

I know what you mean. I joined a skeet clinic and got hooked instantly.

I just saw a used Remington 1100 (manufactured in the 70's) for $400. It's in good condition, but has a fixed choke. I recall it being an impr. cyl. in a 26" barrel. I'm seriously going to sleep on it tonight, coz I don't think it'll last long. What do you guys think?

ysr_racer
02-15-2007, 6:10 PM
The 1100 and the 1187 are basically the same gun (but parts are not inchangable).

Some 1100 & 1187 will only cycle HOT loads. make sure which ever you buy will funtion with 1-1/8 #8, 3dr eq.

Where do you live? I've got an 1187 you can try. I'm in OC.

robairto
02-15-2007, 8:26 PM
The pumps are about it in that price range. I have a LNIB Browning gold fusion 26"I'm selling for not much more then your looking for. RB

Incitatus
02-15-2007, 9:11 PM
Remington Spartan O/U on sale for $329 at Turner's in Norwalk

Stanky626
02-19-2007, 12:27 AM
Where do you live? I've got an 1187 you can try. I'm in OC.

Thanks for the offer. Actually, I purchased a used Remington 1100 the other day and i'll be taking the skeet clinic at Triple B's. Thanks again for the offer.:)

ysr_racer
02-19-2007, 6:49 PM
You can't go wrong with an 1100. Now skeet on the other hand... :)

anotherted
02-19-2007, 7:19 PM
I joined a skeet clinic and got hooked instantly.
Where did you find a skeet clinic. Ive always wanted to get started, but dont know anyone who could show me the ropes.

ysr_racer
02-19-2007, 7:32 PM
Call Triple B Clays in El Monte (60 & 605) or Oak Tree Gun Club in Newhall (5 past the 14) both hold clinics.

After you learn the basics of skeet, come on over to where the real fun is, sporting clays :)

The above is only true if you're under 100 years old. If you're over 100, trap and skeet are for you :)

ysr_racer
02-19-2007, 7:36 PM
Open offer:

I and my friends will be glad to show anybody that's interested the basics of skeet, trap or sporting clays. We're not pros, but we do ok.

We shoot at Prado, Triple B, OakTree, Moore-N-Moore and Raahauges. Just pick a time and place.

dwtt
02-19-2007, 10:13 PM
I just saw a used Remington 1100 (manufactured in the 70's) for $400. It's in good condition, but has a fixed choke. I recall it being an impr. cyl. in a 26" barrel. I'm seriously going to sleep on it tonight, coz I don't think it'll last long. What do you guys think?
It's a good buy. Look for signs of neglect like spots of rust. Look down the bore of the barrel and see if it's still smooth. I've heard that shooting steel shot down a regular 1100 barrel can scratch it up, but I've never seen this myself since I don't know anyone who shoots steel shot. Don't worry too much about the condition of the wood unless it's cracked. The gun is ~30 years old and has some "character".

Stanky626
02-19-2007, 11:39 PM
Where did you find a skeet clinic. Ive always wanted to get started, but dont know anyone who could show me the ropes.

Triple B's has skeet clinic every Tues-Thurs from 5pm till close. It's only $20 and you can rent shotguns there if you don't already have one.

www.triplebclays.com. The facility is pretty cool.

Stanky626
02-19-2007, 11:42 PM
Open offer:

I and my friends will be glad to show anybody that's interested the basics of skeet, trap or sporting clays. We're not pros, but we do ok.

We shoot at Prado, Triple B, OakTree, Moore-N-Moore and Raahauges. Just pick a time and place.

Wowza! That's better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick. I might have to take you up on that offer some day. :D

ysr_racer
02-20-2007, 5:15 AM
I've heard that shooting steel shot down a regular 1100 barrel can scratch it up, but I've never seen this myself since I don't know anyone who shoots steel shot...

My understanding is the shot never touches the barrel. It's contained in the wad until it leaves the muzzle. Is that wrong?

BamBam-31
02-20-2007, 10:37 AM
Brad, PM sent. :)

stator
02-20-2007, 12:03 PM
There are probably other like Stanky reading this and deciding their purchase for skeet. So, I will add something to the mix here:

1- 12 gauge shotshells with 3" DRAM and 1-1/8 ounce are not really light loads in skeet shooting. True, these are generally considered light loads. Common light loads for skeet are 1 or 7/8 ounce with velocity around 1200fps or slightly less.

2- Most autoloaders will have problems cycling with light skeet loads. If you want an reliable autoloader for skeet, you will most likely have to get one specifically setup for the lighter gas pressures of skeet loads. Autoloaders chambered for 3.5" shells out of the box equates to a miserable day at the skeet range.

3- There is nothing wrong with pumps at the skeet range. I shoot a 870 express yesterday and carried my option to the 6th station. I Missed one of the pairs for no good reason; picked up all 4 at 7th, and blew the 8th station as usual. This is with a skeet Rem-choke and Winchester Universal 8 shotshells from Walmart. This was only my third trip out and I am truely a skeet novice.

The moral of this story is do not rush out and buy an autoloader for skeet. Use your pump for now and find out what autoloaders work (few) and what ones do not (many) for skeet loads.

ysr_racer
02-20-2007, 2:52 PM
Another thing to consider:

Every shotgun range I ever been to had very friendly people that would always let you try their gun if you ask nicely. I've shot shotguns that cost more then my first condo.

(the above staement may not apply to to trap shooters)

Like I said, if you live in So Cal and want to try trap, skeet or sporting clays, between 5 of us we've probably have 35-40 shotguns.

I should set up a Calguns.net day at a local club. Get a few guys together, break some clay, have some fun.

Let's pick a saturday or sunday in March.

Stanky626
02-20-2007, 6:44 PM
Thanks everyone for the tips. I'm hoping I can use my 1100 as an all purpose skeet, trap, and sporting clays gun. Doesn't sound likely though. I guess I'll need to buy 5 more shotguns in the future.

A Calguns.net outing sounds good to me. I'm in. How about early March? My wife is expecting later this month, so I'll be down for the count after that.

buffybuster
02-20-2007, 7:40 PM
Find a nice used Remington 1100 and don't look back.

five.five-six
02-20-2007, 7:52 PM
any ideas on a O/U 20 Ga ?

dwtt
02-20-2007, 7:53 PM
My understanding is the shot never touches the barrel. It's contained in the wad until it leaves the muzzle. Is that wrong?
I don't know. I've never shot steel or seen a barrel that shot steel shot, but only heard a caution at the trap range many years ago to never shoot steel shot down a barrel designed for lead shot, like my 1100 barrel. You might be right about the shot staying in the wad until it's out of the muzzle. Oh, sorry about the tangent here. :)

maxicon
02-20-2007, 8:37 PM
I took my new used 1100 (older vanilla model) out to the practice trap range the other day, along with a few nice O/Us, and it was still a pleasure to shoot - much less recoil than the O/Us.

My friends and I put quite a few 1 oz and 1 1/8 oz target loads through it with no problems. I think the older 2 3/4 inch only models might be more tolerant of light loads. If you have a detent in the fore-end to lock down the end cap when it screws on, it was made before 1982.

If it does have trouble, you can make it more reliable with light loads by opening up the one or both gas ports a wee bit (you should have 2 ports in that one). The recommendation I read was to find the drill bit that fit into the hole, then use the next larger size to open it up.

The downside of opening up the gas port is not being able to shoot heavier loads in it, but if it's only going to be a clays gun, that shouldn't be an issue.

The other option is buying a barrel designed for lighter loads from Remington or ebay:
http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/shotguns/extra_barrels.asp

This would have the added benefit of interchangable chokes, but is an expensive option.

Here's the one I picked up. It's easily my favorite shotgun after just a week of shooting it!

http://www.maxicon.com/guns/pics/rem_1100_a.jpg

dondo
02-25-2007, 7:17 PM
Another thing to consider:

Every shotgun range I ever been to had very friendly people that would always let you try their gun if you ask nicely. I've shot shotguns that cost more then my first condo.

(the above staement may not apply to to trap shooters)

Like I said, if you live in So Cal and want to try trap, skeet or sporting clays, between 5 of us we've probably have 35-40 shotguns.

I should set up a Calguns.net day at a local club. Get a few guys together, break some clay, have some fun.

Let's pick a saturday or sunday in March.

Pick a day, I am in.

WINGEDSWORD
03-02-2007, 8:19 PM
If you can get an 1187 for a great price, get it. Ive shot both the 1100 and the 1187 I don't find any difference. The NICE thing about the Remingtons is their great barrel/choke combinations. You could get a 26 inch barrel for skeet
and change the choke for hunting. Later on, if you decided you wanted to shoot trap, you could either buy the full or extra full choke or you could buy a 30 inch barrel for trap. The advantage here, is that most of Remington's barrels can be had for under $200.00

WINGEDSWORD
03-02-2007, 8:21 PM
If you can get an 1187 for a great price, get it. Ive shot both the 1100 and the 1187 I don't find any difference. The NICE thing about the Remingtons is their great barrel/choke combinations. You could get a 26 inch barrel for skeet
and change the choke for hunting. Later on, if you decided you wanted to shoot trap, you could either buy the full or extra full choke or you could buy a 30 inch barrel for trap.

WINGEDSWORD
03-02-2007, 8:26 PM
There is a gun show at Glendale civic audotorium, tomorrow and Sunday. you might find something really nice, there.

Bige913
03-21-2007, 11:59 AM
buy a mossberg 500 or Remington 870 you wont be dissapointed

WINGEDSWORD
03-21-2007, 7:04 PM
If the 1187 feels good to you, GO FOR IT. the 1187 is nothing more than an
1100 with a more refined gas system. I have shot both, and in handling, they feel the same to me.