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BLC
10-06-2011, 8:42 PM
What say you? Bobbed hammer or no hammer? Is there really advantage to having SA/DA in a firearm this small?

scarville
10-06-2011, 9:21 PM
For pocket carry I prefer the 442. Otherwise it's mostly a matter of preference.

Since you're probably going to be shooting an SD revolver double action the hammer spur is extraneous. That said, the spur has never caused me a problem if i am carrying in a holster.

9mmepiphany
10-06-2011, 9:22 PM
All it does is tempt you to shoot it SA. If you learn to shoot the DA correctly, you'll be just as accurate out to 25 yards...maybe 50 yards if you are good

mayo 111
10-06-2011, 9:38 PM
go with the 438, the option of single action i believe comes in handy. plus its never bad to have more options. and I like the way the shrouded hammer looks. you can get one of these

http://www.midwesthuntersoutlet.com/item/84675_Laserlyte_Sights_Lasers_LL_RAIL_ADAPTER_SW_J _FRAME_637_642_X.aspx

and throw a little light on it and have yourself a tactical snub nose

thats what I want to do.. heck i might do this as a bday present to myself.. my bday is coming up in a good 5 months :D

jessegpresley
10-06-2011, 10:13 PM
What say you? Bobbed hammer or no hammer? Is there really advantage to having SA/DA in a firearm this small?

Sorry I can't remember exactly, but over on the S&W forum they say that the 642 will have a better double action trigger than the 638 due to the transfer bar... if I remember the nomenclature correctly.

That was enough for me, bought a 642, installed an Apex kit and added Crimson Trace grips. Now have the perfect pocket rocket for around $600.

642 $337 from Jet Guns
LG-405 Crimson Trace grips for $216 off eBay
J Frame duty kit from Apex Tactical $25
RKBA pocket holster $36
-$50 Crimson Trace Rebate

lawaia
10-07-2011, 7:08 AM
442

glockman19
10-07-2011, 8:43 AM
Nothing beats a S&W 442/642..

For the definitive guide...go to http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=554071

It's the 642 Club Part Three...

...don't forget to read through the forst 10,000 posts in parts 1 & 2.

awall919
10-07-2011, 8:45 AM
Id go 442 and have the trigger polished up, Its a bit heavy.

ojisan
10-07-2011, 9:26 AM
The 442 /642 trigger can be pulled to just prior to hammer drop and fired almost like a SA if necessary.

scarville
10-07-2011, 11:37 AM
Id go 442 and have the trigger polished up, Its a bit heavy.
A Wolff 8# mainspring and a 15# return slide spring will go a long way toward lightening up a J-frame trigger. Stock is 8.5# and 18# respectively. Add some some polishing of the return slide and Slipstream oil to make it smoother. My 442 is right at 10# and even my wife will shoot it now. (though she still doesn't like the recoil).

Or you can get the Apex kit which has the springs and an extra length firing pin -- about 0.015" longer IIRC..

West coast
10-07-2011, 1:43 PM
442

BunnySlayer
10-07-2011, 3:08 PM
I carry a hammerless daily. Personal preference. Both have advantages and disadvantages.

Picasso2
10-07-2011, 3:13 PM
Sorry I can't remember exactly, but over on the S&W forum they say that the 642 will have a better double action trigger than the 638 due to the transfer bar... if I remember the nomenclature correctly.

That was enough for me, bought a 642, installed an Apex kit and added Crimson Trace grips. Now have the perfect pocket rocket for around $600.

642 $337 from Jet Guns
LG-405 Crimson Trace grips for $216 off eBay
J Frame duty kit from Apex Tactical $25
RKBA pocket holster $36
-$50 Crimson Trace Rebate

I second this.
Picasso

Anchors
10-07-2011, 4:04 PM
I like the bobbed hammer, but it is just personal preference.

BLC
10-07-2011, 4:10 PM
Whats the difference between a 442 and 642?

SDM44
10-07-2011, 4:16 PM
Whats the difference between a 442 and 642?

Frame color

442 = blued (essentially black color gun)
642 = stainless (essentially matte silver gun)

BLC
10-07-2011, 4:38 PM
Thanks, 442 it is.

BLC
10-07-2011, 4:55 PM
Carbon steel or stainless steel cylinder? They also show a 442 Moon Clip series...

den888
10-07-2011, 5:44 PM
Shot my friend's 442 and 642 and thought that they were awesome. There is some recoil with non +P loads, and when you introduce +P, the recoil is pretty stout.

Very accurate guns for such short barrel lengths.

Can't buy anything here
10-07-2011, 6:14 PM
Carbon steel or stainless steel cylinder? They also show a 442 Moon Clip series...

442 is carbon steel...642 is stainless...I'm not a fan of moonclips but I would research it yourself to see the pros and cons...

9mmepiphany
10-07-2011, 6:34 PM
The one advantage of moon clips with a J-frame is that they are less bulky than sppedloaders and would allow a greater margin for mis-alignment with the cylinder

BLC
10-07-2011, 9:43 PM
So it doesnt really matter if the cylinder is carbon or stainless? I cant see how one could be much better than the other.

jessegpresley
10-07-2011, 10:57 PM
442 is carbon steel...642 is stainless...

Actually the consensus over at the S&W forum is... whatever the factory feels like at the time.

BLC
10-08-2011, 7:17 AM
OK, last dumb question I swear, I am not a revolver guy, can you tell? :)

With the moon clip model you can load and fire it with or without the moon clip in place correct?

stevie
10-08-2011, 7:19 AM
Partial to the 442/642

bombadillo
10-08-2011, 7:23 AM
I prefer a hammer. I like the bodyguard with the knurled little hammer-like thing that comes out, but thats just me.

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/images/S&W%20162523.jpg

something like this.

scobun
10-08-2011, 7:26 AM
I'm going to be a rebel and suggest you look at the LCR. The trigger is waaaaaaaaaaay better. It is like it came out of some alternate universe where Ruger has a smoother trigger than S&W. The double action pull is smooth like butta.

scarville
10-08-2011, 7:48 AM
With the moon clip model you can load and fire it with or without the moon clip in place correct?
If the conversion is done correctly. If you look at a moonclipped cylinder for a rimmed cartridge there should be a ridge at the outside that allow the cartridges to headspace on the rim with or without a moon clip.

http://www.moonclips.com/images/M66machining.jpg

http://www.moonclips.com/images/M66FMC.jpg

bombadillo
10-08-2011, 7:49 AM
I'm going to be a rebel and suggest you look at the LCR. The trigger is waaaaaaaaaaay better. It is like it came out of some alternate universe where Ruger has a smoother trigger than S&W. The double action pull is smooth like butta.

Gotta agree, and you can get it in .357mag as well. Only thing is if you want the single action pull ability, you're going to need a bobbed, or regular hammer of some sort to shoot that way. LCR for DAO gun but Smith for a hammered gun.

BLC
10-08-2011, 8:00 AM
OK, so moon clip not required on the moon clip model. I ask because S&W's website is vague, they say there were "enhancements", but aside from the clips it doesnt say what.

ls2monaro
10-08-2011, 2:56 PM
I have the bobbed hammer version and the double action trigger is very nice and accurate. I like shooting it single action at the range for longer distance/smaller targets like 50 yards. So I warm up at the longer distances and then bring it in to 7-15 yards for some self defense silhouette target rapid fire training.

The J frame takes some work to get comfortable and accurate with, but once you get dialed in it is a very effective weapon.

arfan66
10-09-2011, 1:32 AM
442...I just bought a 442 Pro (airweight/aluminum frame). Trigger pull is very nice after polishing the internals a bit & replacing the hammer/rebound springs (new Wolff 12# rebound + 9# hammer spring).

brianm767
10-09-2011, 3:15 PM
442 was my choice