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mugiwara
10-06-2011, 8:36 PM
so, who wants one?

:D:D:D

NSR500
10-06-2011, 8:38 PM
Where?

mugiwara
10-06-2011, 8:50 PM
i will be releasing 80% compact 1911 frames within the next three months in the bay area. build parties at my house so u can complete ur pistol.
the 7058 aluminum is not something set in stone, its pretty pricey, but if ppl want it, thats wahts going to have to be done.

nick
10-06-2011, 8:52 PM
What will be the price? I'm interested.

mugiwara
10-06-2011, 8:57 PM
my wife says they ahve to be cheap so she can afford one, so cheap.

nick
10-06-2011, 10:17 PM
my wife says they ahve to be cheap so she can afford one, so cheap.

Quoted for posterity :p

Well, depending on what "cheap" is and what they look like when finished, I may take anywhere from 1 to 5-6.

FYI, you're competing against a group buy for KTO 1911 frames that just closed: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=460270

With that said, I haven't seen anything in the Constitution about a limit on the number of guns one can own, and your offer of a BP to complete these frames will likely attract a lot of people. At least, it will once you post the details, price, and pictures. The KTO frames are full-size steel ones. I haven't seen 80% aluminum commander frames yet, so that's an attraction right there, provided they're in-spec.

How big of a run are you planning? Is it a one-time thing, or are you planning to do it again, if this run succeeds?

Cyc Wid It
10-06-2011, 10:34 PM
Oversized I wonder? LW CCO sounds fun.

ZRXRICH
10-06-2011, 10:49 PM
I want to be in on this,I would love another 1911 project.

mugiwara
10-06-2011, 11:47 PM
the next few months will make all of u guys happy, trust me. if u have any questions, feel free to call me, i will respond to pm;s with my phone number. i live in walnut creek, and my name is lyle b.

and, the kt frames are nice. im glad they are gonna get more into california. i think that ppl who like their frames will probably like my frames also! no finger grooves, tho.

Anchors
10-06-2011, 11:55 PM
Your frames sounds pretty cool so far.
I would love to see how this progresses, even though I'm geographically excluded (Southern California).

mugiwara
10-07-2011, 9:46 AM
i can send paper weights to so cal, no problem.
anyway, guys, i just wanted to announce my project officially here. i will be making a new thread with pictures and more info next month...

quikduk
10-07-2011, 10:57 AM
Count me in...for one, possibly two...dep. on price. :tt1:

peterabbits
10-07-2011, 5:45 PM
Count me in for two depending on price.

agent.5
10-09-2011, 5:50 PM
interested.

nick
11-21-2011, 4:09 PM
Time for a bump.

h0use
11-21-2011, 4:13 PM
very interested

RazzB7
11-21-2011, 4:16 PM
I'm interested, too.

couch
11-21-2011, 4:44 PM
Very interested, however I am very curious about where you are finding 7068 plate... I've only been able to find it in round bar, up to 2.50"

Been using the stuff for a few years for our parts and it kicks ***.

PM me details regarding the frames. I am VERY interested and have actually been planning to do the same, but with 7050.

bigkahuna04
11-21-2011, 6:56 PM
interesting...tag for future reference. I couldn't do the KTO group buy at this time..but this is good to know for the future.

Twiggz
11-21-2011, 11:37 PM
Interested as well.

tozan
11-22-2011, 12:24 AM
I am looking for a plain standard 80% steel 1911 frame... Can you do one of those?

PRCABR4Christ
11-22-2011, 11:03 AM
count me in depending on price

Ubermcoupe
11-22-2011, 12:45 PM
Interested if I can participate in the build party. Kinda new to this :p

DULLYJAY
11-22-2011, 3:29 PM
Sounds good if price is right. Very interested.

bohoki
11-22-2011, 5:13 PM
let me know when there is a mill party

i'm still a bit baffled how to do that mag catch groove

SMR510
11-23-2011, 2:34 PM
I may be interested depending on price.

Lead Waster
11-23-2011, 2:55 PM
Count me in for two depending on price.

me too!

couch
11-23-2011, 3:42 PM
Where is OP with an update/details?

nick
12-06-2011, 11:00 PM
Just so we don't forget :)

couch
12-07-2011, 8:02 AM
I'm still curious as to where the OP is getting 7068 plate, unless he's having it made to size by Kaiser.

bak
12-07-2011, 11:27 AM
interested.

skyscraper
12-07-2011, 11:35 AM
interested. Can a railed version be made too?

fanof1911forlife
12-07-2011, 12:28 PM
I'll take one if you can build a government frame with a full dust cover, no rail.

krzgoat
12-08-2011, 3:08 PM
Interested as well.

Cyc Wid It
12-08-2011, 4:59 PM
I'll take one if you can build a government frame with a full dust cover, no rail.

"i will be releasing 80% compact 1911 frames within the next three months in the bay area. build parties at my house so u can complete ur pistol.
the 7058 aluminum is not something set in stone, its pretty pricey, but if ppl want it, thats wahts going to have to be done. "

About that.

fanof1911forlife
12-08-2011, 6:29 PM
"i will be releasing 80% compact 1911 frames within the next three months in the bay area. build parties at my house so u can complete ur pistol.
the 7058 aluminum is not something set in stone, its pretty pricey, but if ppl want it, thats wahts going to have to be done. "

About that.


Copy that! Was hoping that OP could make a special one-off on my request. Oh well.

Dhena81
12-08-2011, 6:57 PM
I can't believe I missed the KTO group buy I'm so mad now :(

OP thanks for the heads up if you could do a Government or commander frame let me know please.

skyscraper
12-28-2011, 6:00 PM
Bump, any news on the frames?

nick
01-08-2012, 8:44 PM
Yep, some of us want to know :)

h0use
01-08-2012, 9:03 PM
will there be a jig for this?

tozan
01-09-2012, 9:10 AM
will there be a jig for this?


Looks like this thread was just wishful thinking... No updates from OP since Oct.

bravosd6
01-20-2012, 10:32 AM
$$?

707electrician
01-20-2012, 11:06 AM
I'm interested if price is reasonable

wash
01-20-2012, 12:17 PM
I guess I missed this the first time around.

I'm posting so that I might find the thread if it ever gets off the ground.

If the OP has CNC capabilities, I have an idea for a 1911 frame that will be economical, have fewer legal issues and a superior end result. Less machine time and fewer setups means more people can buy and you get extra features in the bargain.

truthseeker
01-20-2012, 2:17 PM
I'm interested also!

tozan
01-20-2012, 3:56 PM
I guess I missed this the first time around.

I'm posting so that I might find the thread if it ever gets off the ground.

If the OP has CNC capabilities, I have an idea for a 1911 frame that will be economical, have fewer legal issues and a superior end result. Less machine time and fewer setups means more people can buy and you get extra features in the bargain.

I would be interested in hearing your ideas, if it is worth while I could have 80% frames machined.

mugiwara
03-17-2012, 1:53 AM
just wanted to let you guys know im still alive. my health got real funky but its looking better now, im home and im getting back to work. wash, im all ears, send me a message.
just to clarify, we're doing 7075 t6 officers frames and 2011 frames, 80%, for now.

oh yea, the build parties... atf says thats a huge no-no... sucks. we will compensate with jigs.

nick
03-17-2012, 11:43 AM
It's alive! :D

Sorry about your health, hope you get better.

So, do you know what the time frame is on these, and what the price is likely to be? For all the 80% frames I found so far, none of them are either officer, or 2011 ones.

bigkahuna04
03-17-2012, 1:21 PM
for clarification... is the 2011 frame types a high-capacity / double magazine design?,,,

OzzieF
03-17-2012, 2:19 PM
I'm interested!!

mugiwara
03-17-2012, 2:32 PM
a 2011 frame is whats commonly called sti/svi frame, the grips fit double stack mags. price will be competitive, and theyre coming soon. i hate to put a date on things like i did six months ago, when health can get bad again (knocks on wood), but if everything goes ok, it will be pretty soon.

foxtrotuniformlima
03-17-2012, 2:43 PM
a 2011 frame is whats commonly called sti/svi frame, the grips fit double stack mags. price will be competitive, and theyre coming soon. i hate to put a date on things like i did six months ago, when health can get bad again (knocks on wood), but if everything goes ok, it will be pretty soon.

I'm in.

Nor*Cal
03-17-2012, 2:46 PM
I'm also in

agent.5
03-17-2012, 2:47 PM
a 2011 frame is whats commonly called sti/svi frame, the grips fit double stack mags. price will be competitive, and theyre coming soon. i hate to put a date on things like i did six months ago, when health can get bad again (knocks on wood), but if everything goes ok, it will be pretty soon.

A 2011 frame actually is more useful and easier to build than a 1911 frame, as one can just slap on the plastic grip and eliminate a lot of metal work on a 1911 frame (trigger guard undercut, front strapping, drilling holes for mag release and others). Furthermore, a 2011 frame does not look like a gun, so I can use milling machine in the public.

I am in for 1 or 2 2011 frames.

Chondro
03-17-2012, 2:55 PM
interested

skyscraper
03-17-2012, 2:55 PM
Im in for officer size frame

Peter.Steele
03-17-2012, 3:03 PM
I'm interested in a 2011 frame ...

aznwolf118
03-17-2012, 3:46 PM
What happen to the cco 10mm?
Also I might be in for an officer

mugiwara
03-17-2012, 3:54 PM
whats up aznwolf? good to hear from you. a cco 1911 uses an officers frame, with a commander length slide (we think 4.25" is perfect). 10mm stuff, like we talked about, must be tested thoroughly before i will sell.
my plans havent changed beyond the original scope of time, so lets all just hope my health stays stable.

Press Check
03-17-2012, 4:21 PM
Not to cast any doubt here, but every component of a 1911 requires extensive fitting, so if anyone thinks that they're going to simply assemble a 1911 during a "build party" is sadly mistaken.

Musashi
03-17-2012, 4:54 PM
interested in 2011 frame

Nor*Cal
03-17-2012, 5:24 PM
Not to cast any doubt here, but every component of a 1911 requires extensive fitting, so if anyone thinks that they're going to simply assemble a 1911 during a "build party" is sadly mistaken.

Agreed. However, I took the build party as a "milling" party and not actual fitting and assembly.

mugiwara
03-17-2012, 5:58 PM
that is exactly what i originally intended, build parties to cut the slide rails and finish the holes. unfortunately, its not legal, other builders have gotten into trouble for offering exactly that.
i will say from direct experience, however, that the difficulty and complexity of putting together a 1911 (from good parts) is pretty overblown.

1911Luvr
03-17-2012, 7:59 PM
i will say from direct experience, however, that the difficulty and complexity of putting together a 1911 (from good parts) is pretty overblown.

I guess that depends on your expectations of the final outcome. Many people can build a hot rod in their garage, but few if any end up looking like they were built by Chip Foose. If you just want to build one for the sake of saying you did it and the pride of ownership that comes from that, then cool. But, if you're expecting to build a high end custom 1911 for less money, then I'd say you will probably be disappointed.

skyscraper
03-17-2012, 8:12 PM
I guess that depends on your expectations of the final outcome. Many people can build a hot rod in their garage, but few if any end up looking like they were built by Chip Foose. If you just want to build one for the sake of saying you did it and the pride of ownership that comes from that, then cool. But, if you're expecting to build a high end custom 1911 for less money, then I'd say you will probably be disappointed.

I dont think anyone here is that delusional to think that we can build a gun like wilson combat does in our garage. Its just a fun thing to try out for me.

Intimid8tor
03-17-2012, 8:14 PM
I want one when they come out.

foxtrotuniformlima
04-08-2012, 3:36 PM
Any update ?

KandyRedCoi
04-08-2012, 4:59 PM
very interested in the officer model...in for updates

wash
04-08-2012, 7:08 PM
I am interested.

As for design features, I don't need a rail or an extended dust cover.

Recessed slide stop holes seem to be in vogue but due to the strength of aluminum compared to forged steel, it makes more sense to thicken the right side of the receiver and I think the back end of a 2011 is wider so it may be simple to move that width forward for a clean look and increased strength.

I think STI didn't do that because most of their frames were steel.

For the dust cover, as simple and durable as possible is best unless it totally screws up the look.

For the frame rails, anything you could do to prepare for accu-rails would be nice.

Building an 80% firearm should ideally be easy, result in a quality finished product and allow many customizing possibilities for people who want to do something different. Adding a few features that you can take off later is better than leaving out features that you can't add later. I say that about everything except rails because I don't like the idea of hanging a weight off your handgun when you can just train with a small flashlight and save money in the process.

Icypu
04-09-2012, 10:08 AM
Interested if I can participate in the build party. Kinda new to this :p

Also interested, but i'd like to attend the build party.

redrex
04-18-2012, 3:55 PM
Count me in! At least for one compact frame, more depending on price. Is there any timeline on this?

walmart_ar15
04-18-2012, 4:15 PM
Is 80% 1911 frame allowed? I thought there are some discussion that ATF wanted it to be less than 80%? Maybe just rumor :confused:

Will the alumina frame be cut for a steel ramp insert? Or it is cut for ramped barrel?

OutkastSL
04-18-2012, 7:09 PM
I'm interested in one, depending on price of course.

curtru
04-18-2012, 7:54 PM
That actually sounds like fun to do a bp to bad arc gets involved you could have a party where ppl com and happen to have there aluminum paper weights being lightened. lol. I guess I should pm op to find out price on a 2011 paper weight

tozan
04-18-2012, 8:16 PM
Is 80% 1911 frame allowed? I thought there are some discussion that ATF wanted it to be less than 80%? Maybe just rumor :confused:


FUD

ke6guj
04-18-2012, 8:27 PM
Is 80% 1911 frame allowed? I thought there are some discussion that ATF wanted it to be less than 80%? Maybe just rumor :confused:
there is no legal definition of 80%. It is an industry term that basically describes a partially completed receiver that ATF does not consider to be a legal firearm.

ATF only determines if something is, or isn't, a firearm.

What you may be talking about is that in years past, many "80%" 1911 frames that vendors were selling without paperwork were closer to being finished, but that ATF decided that they were actually too close to being finished and were legally considered firearms per ATF. So, the vendors left more steps to be finished by the buyer.

For instance, IIRC, all the holes were drilled in many 80% 1911 receivers and only the rails had to be cut, but now ATF does not allow the FCG pins to be drilled in an "80%" 1911 receiver.

Even though the amount of work needed to be completed is more, many vendors call them "80%" receivers, while others will market them as being "60%" done.

Cannon-Arms
04-18-2012, 8:55 PM
Count me in for two 1911s and two 2011s. any idea when pricing or other details will be finalized?

Thanks

itisagoodname
04-18-2012, 9:44 PM
I have a mill for "custom fitting" so lets do this!

gorenut
04-18-2012, 10:46 PM
Interested as well. Depending on price, maybe I'll build that 9mm 1911 sooner rather than later. Subbed.

mugiwara
05-28-2012, 6:29 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v315/lasfoaknyc/IMAG0003.jpg since so many people have been asking for these...

sneather
05-28-2012, 7:35 PM
I haven't a clue what this is all about. Can someone educate me on why this would be a path someone would want to pursue? Are these unfinished frames ultimately made into working "guns"? Or do these always remain dummy non-guns? If they become operational, how are they serialized, registered, etc.?

Thanks.

Dark Sky Solutions
05-28-2012, 7:53 PM
Depending on price I am interested. Might be interested also if u are planning on having dealer pricing, always looking for stuff to put in the shop.

mugiwara
05-28-2012, 7:57 PM
an 80% receiver/frame is not a firearm. you can do whatever you want with it, including turn it into a working firearm. you dont have to "register" or serialize it, as it is a home built gun. if you want to sell it, it has to have certain information engraved in it, however.
as to why someone would want to build their own gun, my answer is just cuz its fun and i can get a full custom build, while learning gunsmithing, for less than the cost of a mid range 1911. same goes for ar's, which i also make myself.
most people dont have access to the machinery needed to fabricate the receivers from raw material, so a 60-80% build is the way to go.
hope that answers your questions.

skyscraper
05-28-2012, 8:04 PM
Any closer to an ETA mugiwara?

sneather
05-28-2012, 8:26 PM
an 80% receiver/frame is not a firearm. you can do whatever you want with it, including turn it into a working firearm. you dont have to "register" or serialize it, as it is a home built gun. if you want to sell it, it has to have certain information engraved in it, however.
as to why someone would want to build their own gun, my answer is just cuz its fun and i can get a full custom build, while learning gunsmithing, for less than the cost of a mid range 1911. same goes for ar's, which i also make myself.
most people dont have access to the machinery needed to fabricate the receivers from raw material, so a 60-80% build is the way to go.
hope that answers your questions.

Answers my questions, perfectly. Thanks. I probably should have phrased the part about why to do, differently. I thought that perhaps, they would be nothing more than dummy guns. But I never had any idea that one could, essentially, build their own gun, legally. Very, very cool!

I guess the only limiting factors would be any of the restrictive AW ban laws in CA. Right? In other words, you still wouldn't be able to machine your own threaded barrel handgun. Or make an AR without a bullet button. Right?

762shooter
05-28-2012, 8:48 PM
Very interested! Will the 2011 frames have a full length (railed?) dust cover?

fredr1980
05-28-2012, 10:33 PM
What's the timeline on getting these out? I would be interested in a 2011 and possibly a 1911 60%/80% frame. Please let me know.

Thanks,
Fred R.

nick
05-28-2012, 11:14 PM
Answers my questions, perfectly. Thanks. I probably should have phrased the part about why to do, differently. I thought that perhaps, they would be nothing more than dummy guns. But I never had any idea that one could, essentially, build their own gun, legally. Very, very cool!

I guess the only limiting factors would be any of the restrictive AW ban laws in CA. Right? In other words, you still wouldn't be able to machine your own threaded barrel handgun. Or make an AR without a bullet button. Right?

That's correct. The gun you build still has to conform to all the applicable state and federal laws. So for rifles with evil features it means a maglock, and for handguns - roster compliance. For roster compliance, you build them as a single-shot dimensionally compliant handgun, and after it's been that for at least a second, you can proceed with converting it to a semiauto :) In other words, you need to get ahold of a long barrel and a single-shot sled/blocked mag/piece of wood that would fit in the magwell/etc. Ain't CA great?

Since you seem to be curious about building your own guns, check out the gunsmithing section here, and forums like weaponsguild.com (there're many others, too). People build all sorts of guns - ARs, AKs, FALs, 1911s, SIGs, HK G3/CETMEs, Stens, Brens, Suomi KP-31/44s, M1919s, etc. etc. The build parties for many of the above happen all the time, especially AR/AK/HK BPs. The only limitation is the availability of parts/parts kits and unfinished receivers (some people make them from the scratch though, but most don't). Gotta warn you though - it's addictive. My then-girlfriend and I thought it would be fun to build an AK each... That was a few years and many builds ago, and there's no end in sight.

Oh, and you can build an AR without a maglock. It just has to be featureless.

nick
05-28-2012, 11:19 PM
And to mugiwara - come on, man, stop being a tease. We want these :)

That, and you're getting more competition now. For some time it was just KTO who still made 80% 1911 frames, and one could occasionally find some older unfinished frames, but more companies figured out that there's interest in these. Ares Armor 80% 1911 group buy is ongoing (it's preorder though), and Tactical Machining is getting ready to make them, as well. Mind you, the more choice, the merrier. Besides, Ares Armor ones aren't going to be compatible with the STI 2011s.

Anyway, got an ETA?

mugiwara
05-29-2012, 4:00 PM
i dont mind competition, im not greedy.
we got caught up in a foreclosure, and lost about a month to that move. landlords dont have to tell their tenants that the rental is in foreclosure, did u know that?
so, eta is soon, guys, keep your fingers crossed!

VaderSpade
06-04-2012, 2:31 PM
Watching

GunHo
06-04-2012, 2:41 PM
A 1911 build? Hell ya, count me in. I'm in Fremont so Walnut Creek is an easy drive. I'll look for your next thread. So much for the RIA on my list...

MountainShooter
06-04-2012, 3:59 PM
I am interested in a frame and build party as well. Just saw this thread.

707electrician
06-04-2012, 4:17 PM
Fingers are crossed

savs2k
06-04-2012, 6:40 PM
Oh crap I just saw this thread. IM in for a couple 2011.

totenkopf
06-04-2012, 9:41 PM
interested in at least one 2011 frame. thanks.

NissanPreRunner
06-06-2012, 11:54 PM
I'm in depending on price and if it has a rail.

nukechaser
06-07-2012, 11:21 AM
I'm thinkin' an 80% 1911 (or maybe a 2011, too?) would be fun to try. I would be in for at least one (depending upon price, of course, like most others here in this thread). Please count me as very interested. Thanks!

762shooter
06-12-2012, 8:36 AM
Any updates? Can't wait to get my hands on a few!

Thanks.

magikbike
06-13-2012, 7:31 PM
I'm interested in a 2011...

mugiwara
06-17-2012, 9:29 PM
hey guys, im running 80% 2011 frames right now, in various configurations. best way to contact me is to email me at beaconfrommars@gmail.com, and let me know what you would be interested in.
i will be starting a new thread with a lot more info and some pictures and stuff, just as soon as im done with a couple complete builds im finishing up for my private collection. and that will literally only take a week or two.
my health has been pretty stable, and the machine is running 100%, so things are about to be gtg!

ps:
i can do railed, non-railed, full length dustcover or not, gov, comm... i havent spent the last couple years NOT making designs, thats for sure. also, you guys will love my slides... pics incoming soon!
and for everybody who has never built a 1911/2011 before, i have complete parts lists put together. i tried to balance extremely high quality with prices most anybody can deal with, but of course you can just use it as a guide, too.

VaderSpade
06-17-2012, 9:36 PM
Be sure to post a link here when you get the new thread with pics up.

Very interested but we have gone from famine to fest with all the group buys lately.

Cyc Wid It
06-17-2012, 9:36 PM
I'd almost forgotten about these. Looking forward to pics... maybe I can put my CCO project back on track.

mugiwara
06-17-2012, 10:29 PM
vaderspade and cyc wid it, i will pm u guys personally when i get the new thread up, i know u both are big 1911 guys.

couch
06-17-2012, 10:35 PM
Mugiwara, I am extremely interested in this.

(Also a big 1911 guy)

1911Luvr
06-18-2012, 10:03 AM
I'm a big 1911 guy working hard in the gym to become a moderately sized 1911 guy, and I am interested as well!

MikeR
06-18-2012, 5:14 PM
Please PM or ill just follow this thread for the new thread. Very interested in the 2011 frames esp if in steel. As with anything its all down to price. Cant wait to see some pics.

Lsx2
06-18-2012, 5:34 PM
If these come out as true 80% 2011 frames with full interchangeability with production parts, then I'm in for a couple or more.

762shooter
06-26-2012, 8:47 AM
One request I have, please make the 1911 frames with a .25" radius, so installation of a beavertail is much easier. Can't wait to see the slides you have.

Thanks.

Akers
06-26-2012, 8:56 AM
Love to be on the new thread to see what's up with the BP.

Dark Sky Solutions
06-26-2012, 4:56 PM
Mugi, what's up with these frames? How is your R&D going? Pics pics pics!!!!

pisarski
06-26-2012, 6:10 PM
im in for a 2011 and a 1911 As with anything its all down to price.

SupportGeek
06-26-2012, 6:40 PM
Im interested in a 1911 frame/build party as well. I am still very new to handguns and gunsmithing in general, do you think I might be in over my head? Im always eager to learn I just might need someone willing to teach, or at least bounce ideas off of.

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