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helpme
10-05-2011, 5:04 PM
Alright before I even ask the question, I realize it would be best to ask Springfield directly regarding the pricing but they are pretty difficult to get on the phone for some reason. Hopefully someone who has had similar work done can help...

Looking at their custom shop pricing it says "Fit S&A 1 piece magazine well to match bevel on frame":$180.00

Does that $180.00 price include the new Magwell being fitted to the gun or is that price assuming you send the gun with your own separately purchased hardware?

HappyG
10-05-2011, 5:20 PM
I would guess that is for labor only, but best bet is to get someone on the line. From my limited experience with SA customer service, they do a great job...

corcoraj2002
10-05-2011, 5:30 PM
The price sheet normally says labor only for work that does not include parts. If I remember correctly.

Bakerloo
10-05-2011, 6:08 PM
OP, if you do talk to them tomorrow, please post the answer. I have a Mil Spec that I'm thinking about having the same thing done to it.

Twiggz
10-05-2011, 7:10 PM
I sent them my MC Operator for that and a few other things. I supplied the magwell, and believe they are charging me $180. I'll have them break down the prices when the work is complete.

echang86
10-05-2011, 10:35 PM
What other work are you considering?

I recently installed a S&A magwell on my SA 1911 Loaded 9mm; it was literally drop in. Very easy install. Might save yourself some coin.

jessegpresley
10-05-2011, 10:38 PM
Heinie magwell!

Cyc Wid It
10-05-2011, 10:39 PM
Dropping in and fitting vs blending aren't the same.

helpme
10-05-2011, 10:49 PM
No holds barred would be:

Action Job w/ tool steel match hammer/sear $225
Machine Checker Front Strap 30 LPI $170
Blend/Fit Magwell $180(ridiculous IMO)
Checker under trigger guard $70
Fit Match Trigger $50
Black T Finish Complete Pistol $215
Front Sight Fiber Optic $65
Adjustable Rear Sight $49
Shipping $60

Total:$1,084 and I'm hanging out to dry, or the $185 Jim Hoag route and get to the Springfield Custom Shop at a later date...

jessegpresley
10-05-2011, 10:49 PM
What other work are you considering?

I recently installed a S&A magwell on my SA 1911 Loaded 9mm; it was literally drop in. Very easy install. Might save yourself some coin.

I had them blend a magwell 5 years ago. I just looked at the receipt for the OP. It doesn't itemize unfortunately. Please note they're gonna have to refinish the frame if your gun is anything other than stainless. Had I thought about it I would've had them recess the slide stop at the same time.

jessegpresley
10-05-2011, 10:50 PM
No holds barred would be:

Action Job w/ tool steel match hammer/sear $225
Machine Checker Front Strap 30 LPI $170
Blend/Fit Magwell $180(ridiculous IMO)
Checker under trigger guard $70
Fit Match Trigger $50
Black T Finish Complete Pistol $215
Front Sight Fiber Optic $65
Adjustable Rear Sight $49
Shipping $60

Total:$1,084 and I'm hanging out to dry, or the $185 Jim Hoag route and get to the Springfield Custom Shop at a later date...

You forgot "fit slide to frame" for $190.00.

I'd skip adjustable rear sight and checker under trigger guard.

helpme
10-05-2011, 10:56 PM
You forgot "fit slide to frame" for $190.00.

I'd skip adjustable rear sight and checker under trigger guard.

Ya I was thinking about just skipping the checkering under the trigger guard but I definitely want the adjustable rear. Does fitting the slide to the frame really make that significant of a difference in the gun's performance?

jessegpresley
10-05-2011, 11:55 PM
Slide to frame fit in relation to accuracy is generally overstated, but for me it certainly makes the gun feel better, more solid. It's money well spent in my opinion.

tozan
10-06-2011, 12:14 AM
Slide to frame fit in relation to accuracy is generally overstated, but for me it certainly makes the gun feel better, more solid. It's money well spent in my opinion.

Good point above. Tightening the frame rails will have little if any affect when shooting hand held, it may improve group size when shot from a pistol rest. The more important fit is bushing, barrel and slide if that is loose your groups will be too. My gun is fitted a little loose between the slide and frame but, barrel, slide and bushing are hand fitted tight and it shoots clean one hole groups at 25.

helpme
10-06-2011, 7:44 AM
or just stop screwing around and get serious..

Deb does answer her emails.. :thumbsup:

117354

Don't tempt me with your gun-porn! What work did you have done if you don't mind me asking?

esartori
10-06-2011, 8:01 AM
Don't tempt me with your gun-porn! What work did you have done if you don't mind me asking?

From the LOOKS of it, it looks like a standard SA Professional, which in itself, is basically a custom gun. It has everything you could ever want done (i guess except for target sights, but it's meant as a duty gun).

whipkiller
10-06-2011, 8:14 AM
What other work are you considering?

I recently installed a S&A magwell on my SA 1911 Loaded 9mm; it was literally drop in. Very easy install. Might save yourself some coin.

I'm thinking about doing this on my Loaded, does this affect the warranty if done DIY?

Martin_B
10-06-2011, 10:06 AM
or just stop screwing around and get serious..

Deb does answer her emails.. :thumbsup:

117354

Debbie has always answered my emails within 48 hours. I actually sent my Springfield Loaded into Nighthawk for some work that I am quite happy with.

I had them do a trigger job that set the trigger at 3.5 lbs and included a replacement of all trigger components with tool steel ones, install and fit a Nighthawk match barrel/bushing, a reliability package, an extractor replacement and tuning, and a Nighthawk 2 piece magwell/msh.

Here's the result

AeroEngi
10-06-2011, 10:52 AM
I'm sitting here debating if I should send the gun into Springfield for the $1100 worth of work I want done, or just bring it to Hoag and have him install/fit a self-supplied new trigger($30), give it an action job($75), and install/blend the magwell($80) for a total of $185!?

This sucks.

I say give it to Jim Hoag. He's a 1911 expert and I'm sure he can do everything that you want done to your gun, at a great price. I'm gonna have him do a few things to my 1911 in a couple weeks.

redcliff
10-06-2011, 11:21 AM
I was j/k of course.. by all means, make the specific improvements you will take advantage of.. I was just trying to recommend you don't out price your gun by doing more to it than you can already buy from the Custom Shop in a tried and tested configuration..

it is only a factory custom.. the PC9111 was the result of an intense bid competition for a 1911 for FBI HRT duty.. Springfield's candidates not only outperformed the other entries, they were the only one(s) to pass all criteria.. no frills - all performance SA Custom Shop duty gun.. at a great price considering the final product..

I will add that firing this gun certainly tops the list of the most fun things to do with your clothes on.. she's a real crowd pleaser..

you are correct Sir, made in the custom shop at a production period of 6-8 weeks and my wait was 17 months! this model is made only ONE way to earn the 'Professional' slide.. even the identical railed model will bear the 'Operator' slide instead with all other things being equal.. it would be sacrilegious to modify this particular gun.. I would simply buy another if I wanted a different configuration..

that one's ^ very nice..

I guess I'm sacrilegious; my railed Pro has a 3.0 lb trigger job, short trigger and slim grips :) While marked "Operator" on the slide the railed Pro's slide is unique to only SACS pistols due to lacking the front cocking serrations and featuring the "Springfield Custom" logo; both the railed and non-railed Pro's are identifiable by their CRG prefix serial numbers.

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll137/ranjaz/IMG_07342448x1836.jpg

PRCABR4Christ
10-06-2011, 11:56 AM
I wouldn't skip checkering under the trigger guard, I would checker the front of the trigger guard though, that's an option that I personally always appreciate :)

cwin
10-07-2011, 8:30 AM
I've called the Springfield Custom Shop multiple times and they are definitely hard to reach. Not sure, but I think the same person usually answers the phone. I can't remember her name but she plays a large role at the Custom Shop and really knows her stuff. It's a bit pricey for the work they do but from what I've heard from friends that have gone through them, the quality is excellent. Also, expect a relatively long wait time, depending of course on what you would like done. I called recently about getting my MC Operator refinished and they said it would be 8-10 weeks.

redcliff
10-07-2011, 8:55 AM
meh.. it's a railed step-child..

my point was.. it would be similar to swapping the engine out of a Yenko Camaro.. sure you can find more cubes and more HP in a modern engine, but it just isn't right.. there was ONE way the classic models were produced and many of us appreciate that.. regardless of the modern additions or improvements that have been discovered..

myself, I would opt to buy a stocker and order the mods required to produce your gun.. as opposed to buying a premium package and altering it..

I can just see the 'cringe' on their faces in the custom shop.. like telling the chef his steak needs improvement..

LOL. Sorry but my steak was under-cooked by the Chef.

The trigger pull was an uninspiring 5lbs with some creep, and while you may accept that on a $2k+ pistol for the sake of originality or out of Dave Williams worship I saw no reason to. And the word "Professional" on your slide doesn't make your pistol shoot any better than a railed Pro with "Operator" on it's slide. In fact the railed Pro has less muzzle flip and recoil due to the weight of the rail, which is why I bought that version; apparently the FBI likes the "step-child" too as it is buying the majority of their Pro's as railed models these days.

However, I'll be sure to include my stock trigger and grips/grip bushings if I should ever sell it so the new owner can remove all signs of my blasphemy.

If you think my mods to pistols are sacrilegious you should see some of my cars :) I have an all aluminum 525 big block with Tremec 5 speed I'm getting ready to install into my 66 pro-street Corvette.

vmwerks
10-07-2011, 9:40 AM
I'm sitting here debating if I should send the gun into Springfield for the $1100 worth of work I want done, or just bring it to Hoag and have him install/fit a self-supplied new trigger($30), give it an action job($75), and install/blend the magwell($80) for a total of $185!?

This sucks.

Hoag has had my 1911 .38 super for 3 months and hasn't touched it yet, good luck getting anything done this century

shipwreck
10-07-2011, 12:53 PM
Springfield Custom Shop does nice work!

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/mistershipwreck/moregun3.jpg

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/mistershipwreck/moregun1.jpg

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/mistershipwreck/1911-3.jpg

shipwreck
10-08-2011, 9:35 AM
I am admittingly not a stainless fan but that looks very nice ^ I would be proud to sport that in my safe..


and good pictures.. in contrast, my gun pictures are terrible.. the pictures of mine look like a RIA gov't model.. :o

Its actually hard chrome - they don't make an Operator in stainless. Just carbon steel.

And, I have it up forsale right now.

shipwreck
10-08-2011, 6:01 PM
I did not know that.. thank you..

I have some 'white' and 'black' chrome finish on a beautiful o/u shotgun but it is shiny.. I am also familiar with hard chrome for wear in industrial application in my job field.. however I am not familiar with this application in firearms since I discounted them as SS by appearance.. a researching I must go now..

Hard chrome is VERY popular for firearms - especially 1911s. I have had 5 slides hard chromed for polymer handguns in years past. Best holster wear proof finish there is.

chiselchst
10-08-2011, 6:33 PM
"Fit S&A 1 piece magazine well to match bevel on frame":$180.00

Does that $180.00 price include the new Magwell being fitted to the gun or is that price assuming you send the gun with your own separately purchased hardware?

In my case recently, the $180 included the cost of the S&A Magwell...

mixicus
10-09-2011, 1:33 PM
OP- It's hard to go wrong with Hoag or several others in the area.

Twiggz
10-17-2011, 7:37 PM
Well I got my MC Operator back from the custom shop last Friday and I am a happy customer. Blend and fit Magwell as well as recoat was $180 I believe. The recipt doesn't have the prices itimized. It looks great though, nice large opening with smooth transition from magwell to pistol. I need to get some pics.

She was gone for a total of six weeks, and they told me the delay was because of the checkering. There is a long line for their checkering. The 25lpi machine checkering on the front strap is sharper than I was expecting, but I love it. My buddy said its too sharp for his liking and my wife says it hurts her hand.

Now here is the kicker. My slide always had a little over hang in the rear, and I ended up scratching the slide slightly on one careless night. For no extra charge, they fixed the overhang and recoated my slide. It even feels like a tighter slide to rail fit, but that might just be in my head. They also replaced my Trintium night sights, not sure why but they are different. There was no mention of the extra work, but I know that gun very well and I can tell they did extra work.

redcliff
10-17-2011, 10:19 PM
Well I got my MC Operator back from the custom shop last Friday and I am a happy customer. Blend and fit Magwell as well as recoat was $180 I believe. The recipt doesn't have the prices itimized. It looks great though, nice large opening with smooth transition from magwell to pistol. I need to get some pics.

She was gone for a total of six weeks, and they told me the delay was because of the checkering. There is a long line for their checkering. The 25lpi machine checkering on the front strap is sharper than I was expecting, but I love it. My buddy said its too sharp for his liking and my wife says it hurts her hand.

Now here is the kicker. My slide always had a little over hang in the rear, and I ended up scratching the slide slightly on one careless night. For no extra charge, they fixed the overhang and recoated my slide. It even feels like a tighter slide to rail fit, but that might just be in my head. They also replaced my Trintium night sights, not sure why but they are different. There was no mention of the extra work, but I know that gun very well and I can tell they did extra work.

Would like to see pictures when you can :) Glad Springfield Custom Shop took such good care of your pistol; they really run a great operation there.

himurax13
10-18-2011, 9:08 AM
I'm sitting here debating if I should send the gun into Springfield for the $1100 worth of work I want done, or just bring it to Hoag and have him install/fit a self-supplied new trigger($30), give it an action job($75), and install/blend the magwell($80) for a total of $185!?

This sucks.

Yeah, finding a cost efficient way of getting pistol work done can be a challenge. Personally I would sell your gun and buy one with all of the bells and whistles on it already. The resale value will be better as well.

jaymz
10-18-2011, 6:18 PM
I don't know if you're comparing apples to apples. I haven't a clue who Hoag is, but sounds as if he's a well regarded 1911 'smith. I can tell you that I don't believe for one second that he can/will do $1100 worth of work for $185. If he does, one of two things must be true - he's a fool, or he's a hack.

agent.5
10-18-2011, 6:50 PM
actually $185 plus parts cost is about what Springfield is charging.

Springfield charges $25 for a match trigger, $100 for a trigger job and about $90 to install a S&A magwell. Please note that SA's prices ($50 match trigger and $180 SA mag well) include parts costs.

Cyc Wid It
10-18-2011, 7:32 PM
I don't know if you're comparing apples to apples. I haven't a clue who Hoag is, but sounds as if he's a well regarded 1911 'smith. I can tell you that I don't believe for one second that he can/will do $1100 worth of work for $185. If he does, one of two things must be true - he's a fool, or he's a hack.

The most famous gunsmith left in CA. And no, he won't do $1100 worth of work for $185.