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Cavallino
10-05-2011, 4:11 PM
It appears the Ruger LC9 may be the lightest/smallest CALI legal 9mm out there. Nice looking but has a long and kinda heavy trigger. Any sugestions from the crowd on another that is as light/small/concealable 9mm semi-auto??

Howzabout any suggestions on who might be able to tune/lighten trigger on an LC9 to make it a bit cleaner/crisper?

G-forceJunkie
10-05-2011, 6:25 PM
Check out the Kahr's. I love my K9, its snappy enough i dont think I would want a smaller/lighter one.

JeremyS
10-05-2011, 6:50 PM
The Kahr PM9, CM9, MK9 (heavier than the PM and CM) might be the smallest that's on the CA roster (not sure if those all are, but I know one or more are... too lazy to look right now haha). Sig P290 is smaller... not sure about roster there. Kimber Solo is right in the same spot as all these size-wise.

Definitely off the roster -- which doesn't mean you can't get it and have it legally!!! -- Kel-Tec PF-9. Diamondback, AMT Backup...

den888
10-05-2011, 6:57 PM
Look at the Kahr's

9mmepiphany
10-05-2011, 7:02 PM
The Kahrs have a much superior trigger action than the Ruger. Every one I've shot (about 4) have been very accurate too

tacticalcity
10-05-2011, 7:41 PM
I'm weary of the Kahrs. Read too much bad press. I want to like them because they are so much thinner than the Baby Glocks. But I have a feeling a Glock 26 will become my primary CCW gun, despite the thickness, because it is so reliable and of course as a fan of the Glock I dig the action and have already turned the trigger pull into muscle memory.

joe84780
10-05-2011, 7:48 PM
Kahr PM9. I've had mine for several years. Small & reliable. Unfortunately I can't shoot it worth a darn. I shot a G26 last week and liked it so much I purchased one the next day.

tacticalcity
10-05-2011, 7:51 PM
Kahr PM9. I've had mine for several years. Small & reliable. Unfortunately I can't shoot it worth a darn. I shot a G26 last week and liked it so much I purchased one the next day.

Sure Joe, just help twist my arm and get me to cave in even more and spend the money on that G26 I've been eyeing...I see how ya are! Next you'll be posting pictures so you can rub it in that you already have the gun I want. Might as well tell me you're married to Keira Knightly while you're at it. :43:

joe84780
10-05-2011, 8:12 PM
Sure Joe, just help twist my arm and get me to cave in even more and spend the money on that G26 I've been eyeing...I see how ya are! Next you'll be posting pictures so you can rub it in that you already have the gun I want. Might as well tell me you're married to Keira Knightly while you're at it. :43:

You're safe on the photos for a few days as I can't pick it up until Monday. Lol! :) As for Ms. Knightly, she's all yours. I'm kinda partial to the Asian ladies.

Glock_fanboy
10-05-2011, 8:18 PM
Kahr PM9 on the expensive side, but is the smallest 9mm I think. Kahr CW9 on the more inexpensive side. And Kel Tec PF9 is actually sized between these two and costs roughly the same as the CW9 I think (except CW9 is on roster).

RollingCode3
10-05-2011, 8:22 PM
Kahr trigger is ten times better than ruger lc9 trigger. It is day and night. Sold the lc9 because of the crappy trigger.

jessegpresley
10-05-2011, 8:23 PM
It appears the Ruger LC9 may be the lightest/smallest CALI legal 9mm out there.

The Kahr is smaller than the Ruger, and it makes a G26 seem like a brick. I also don't like how you need a tool to push out a pin on the Ruger to field strip it.

http://i977.photobucket.com/albums/ae259/zdadthrice/Pistolas/RugerLC9-KahrPM9comparison-1.jpg

GWbiker
10-05-2011, 8:25 PM
Biggest roadblock you might run into with a small 9mm: --- is the handgun on the California approved handgun list?

MrBrent
10-05-2011, 8:50 PM
Kahr's got their act together IMO. I purchased the pm9 and have not had any issues at all. I carry it almost every day.

tacticalcity
10-05-2011, 8:55 PM
You're safe on the photos for a few days as I can't pick it up until Monday. Lol! :) As for Ms. Knightly, she's all yours. I'm kinda partial to the Asian ladies.

Jeffu's (a member here) photography will be right up your alley. When he is not taking pictures of the coolest guns you've ever seen by themselves, he has some of the sexiest asian models you've ever seen posing with them. He's one heck of a great photographer and a really nice guy too.

tacticalcity
10-05-2011, 8:57 PM
Kahr's got their act together IMO. I purchased the pm9 and have not had any issues at all. I carry it almost every day.

I don't have first hand experience with them...but would love to get some. Local range doesn't rent them, and none of the local buddies owns one.

pontiacpratt
10-05-2011, 9:02 PM
Kahr's got their act together IMO. I purchased the pm9 and have not had any issues at all. I carry it almost every day.
My Kahr has been 100% for about 400 rounds now. I had a slide lock back issue but that ended up being me riding the slide catch with my thumb.

Dannicus
10-05-2011, 9:47 PM
The Kahrs in the same class as the LC9 are lighter and slightly smaller, but it comes down to personal taste. Some like the Kahr trigger better, but I'm an oddball. i like the LC9's trigger better. I like the location of the pivot; it just works better for me. The pull is longer LC9, but it doesn't bother me. The Khar's are heavier to start and shorter.

I also don't really dig the design of the Kahr. It doesn't give me a warm and fuzzy to have the forward rails molded into the dust cover and the rear of the slide only supported by little tabs. The molding of the polymer on the Kahr is kindof rough. Not as rough as Kel-Tecs, but rough.

7anthony7
10-05-2011, 9:55 PM
khars are nice guns, but hand polished and then put together. a few guys i have worked with had to send them back for feeding issues. great customer service though. one guy sent it back three times. his still only likes the 115gr hollow points. if you are looking for a ca legal pistol, you are limited. try them out and see what you like the best. the single shot thing might be an idea. i love my rohrbaugh. great trigger and tiny. was expensive though. im not a khar or glock fan, but have been to the armorer school and all are good, just some better for others.

raycn
10-05-2011, 10:12 PM
My Rohrbaugh R9S is the smallest and lightest from what I could find:
Caliber:9mm
Barrel:2.9in
Length:5.2in
Height:3.7in
Weight:13.5oz
Magazine Capacity:6 Rounds

Not on CA approved list but was a gift from my daughter from out of state so it was a legal transfer.

saki302
10-05-2011, 10:29 PM
Don't forget the Kel-Tec PF9 (non-roster though).

The Kel-Tecs are the originators of the compact 9mm and .380 platforms (the RUger LC series is a Kel-Tec clone!).

The PF9 is the lightest of the whole lot- as is the PAt (of the .380 series).

Caliber
9mm Luger
9X19 mm

Weight unloaded
12.7 oz
360 g

Loaded magazine
2.8 oz
81 g

Length
5.85 ”
149 mm

Height
4.3 “
109 mm

Width
.88 “
22 mm

Barrel Length
3.1 ”
80 mm

Magazine Capacity
7 rounds


Trigger Pull
~5 lbs.

-Dave

tokarev_tt
10-05-2011, 11:49 PM
I dont know about the smallest or the lightest,but how about CZ 2075 RAMI.CA approved.

InGrAM
10-06-2011, 12:19 AM
It is NOT CA "approved" but the Kel-Tec PF-9 is very small, and light.

http://www.keltecweapons.com/our-guns/

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/3377/keltecpf9.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/255/keltecpf9.jpg/)

Also not CA "approved" but the Kimber solo
http://www.kimberamerica.com/solo



http://img802.imageshack.us/img802/7652/kimbersolo1.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/802/kimbersolo1.png/)

Sorry neither are on the "list" but that is life in CA.

Cavallino
10-06-2011, 11:23 PM
Thanks for the info guys. The CA approved is not an issue as I am LEO, just the locating/ordering off list stuff as not a lot of retailers carry a good selection of off list in stock. I'm in Sacto area and I understand River City Gun exchange does keep a good number of the more popular off list ones on hand for their LEO customers. I'll pop in and handle as many of the suggested ones I can. I'm selling an LCP to fund going to the 9mm. (wife was going to carry it but the trigger pull is just too hard, got her the Kahr p380)

gun4fun
10-06-2011, 11:35 PM
those are nice I always wanted one


My Rohrbaugh R9S is the smallest and lightest from what I could find:
Caliber:9mm
Barrel:2.9in
Length:5.2in
Height:3.7in
Weight:13.5oz
Magazine Capacity:6 Rounds

Not on CA approved list but was a gift from my daughter from out of state so it was a legal transfer.

zfields
10-06-2011, 11:41 PM
It is NOT CA "approved" but the Kel-Tec PF-9 is very small, and light.

http://www.keltecweapons.com/our-guns/

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/3377/keltecpf9.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/255/keltecpf9.jpg/)


Thats what I plan on getting once I get some cash to get my TX CCW

InGrAM
10-07-2011, 12:34 AM
Thanks for the info guys. The CA approved is not an issue as I am LEO, just the locating/ordering off list stuff as not a lot of retailers carry a good selection of off list in stock. I'm in Sacto area and I understand River City Gun exchange does keep a good number of the more popular off list ones on hand for their LEO customers. I'll pop in and handle as many of the suggested ones I can. I'm selling an LCP to fund going to the 9mm. (wife was going to carry it but the trigger pull is just too hard, got her the Kahr p380)

River city will order you any off list pistol you want. I did it with a PF-9. Took a about a month to get. They run a good operation there, I will order my next on or off list pistol there.

Anchors
10-07-2011, 1:09 AM
I have an all tan KelTec PF9.
Like the Ruger LC9, but without all the California "safety features".

I actually like my KelTec more than the Rugers, Kahrs, etc.
But that is all personal preference.

ExtremeX
10-07-2011, 2:04 AM
The Kahr is a fantastic pistol.

I have a lot of trigger time with a CW9, also thinking of getting a PM9.

Tried the Ruger LC9 (range rental), nothing about it stood out to me... It seems pretty decent, not something I would buy since there are other options out there that I like more.

scarville
10-07-2011, 6:24 AM
http://www.cobraderringers.com/DisplayPic.aspx?PIC=272380


http://www.cobraderringers.com/item/1733_Cobra_Handguns_Pistols_COBRA_ENT_BIG_BORE_9MM _BLK_BLK.aspx?w=kxD9wOwqnBU%3d

MossbergMan
10-07-2011, 10:01 AM
Since your LE $$ maybe an issue, but I LOVE my springfield EMP 9mm. I bought it specifically for the NRA Off Duty competition at the Nationals, but it's so small, holds 10 (9+1), accurate at 25 yrds. and very pleasant to shoot with defensive ammo I added it to my CCW and carry it. It is a 1911 pattern gun, cocked and locked so it is not a "pocket pistol" per say.
Now if money is an issue the Glock 26/27 or the XD compact would make sense. If it's strictly an off duty gun the world is your oyster, but if it's a double duty firearm (back-up and off duty) I'd consider a gun that is compatable with your duty gun. When in uniform I carried a compact model of my primary....the Glock(s). It was comforting to know that my "big stick" primary magazines fit my back-up/off duty weapon.
Just some more food for thought.

zod
10-07-2011, 11:13 AM
Diamondback DB9 would fit the bill also. Only thing is there are some bad reviews floating around out there. Some people also say they are good to go.

zombiescanlearn
10-08-2011, 6:05 AM
not the lightest or smallest but I think the best for CCW is the Sig P239. Just as accurate as the bigger pistols.