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speeder
10-04-2011, 1:31 AM
Good o'l Tone Loc gets cought with an "unregistered Colt AR15 Sporter" due to a search related to a "corporal injury to a spouse" arrest. The rapper plead no contest to the above charges (including the AW charge) and only ended up with 3-years probation, one day in jail (no doubt time served for time spent incustody), and 30-days community service.

What happened to spending time with Buba?

We all have heard, "your gonna spend time with Buba for that AW charge." But how many really spend any real jail time without other major assosiated factors involed. I'm talking about a major criminal history or commiting some major crime with the AW.

An AW related charge can be a major wobbler, public nussance - Feloney plus add on the primary charge of "Corporal Injury to a Spouse." 273.5(a) PC is a Felony. This is what Tone Loc (reportedly) plead no contest to. He didn't plea no contest to "Spousal Battery" 234(e)(1) PC which is a Misdemeanor.

Now, Mr. Loc may have been arrested for Felony Corporal Injury to a Spouse along with the additional filing for the Felony AW charge, but what did he end up with?

Loss of his firearms, probation, and some community service. Call it good lawyering but a decent PD could have done just as well for him. Might it be that Mr. Loc has been an upstanding citizen all his life and since he has never had a previouse arrest they went very light on him? Maybe so, but I highly doubt it.

For a normal Joe, any and all of the above would be a nightmare. Regardless of the " no real time served." It would be that plus +++ for me. That's why I keep my guns on the safe side of the law and I avoid other unlawful acts.

This is just some banter against all the "jail time" threats I often read about when someone talks about some form of firearms violation. I know those threats are not without merit but what went wrong here?

Ya,ya,ya, I know all about loosing all of your gun rights, loss of employment, the tremendouse amount of leagal fees, stress to you and your family, not wanting to be that guy etc,,,,,,

Again, I am in no way making light of what "could" happen. But, where in the heck is the Jail Time for Mr. Loc! This is not the standard outcome we all read others warn about!

oni.dori
10-04-2011, 1:56 AM
Keep in mind, he isn't just he average plebe. He is (or was) one of the Hollywood elite.

saki302
10-04-2011, 2:54 AM
If I remember right... If you owned it prior to 1/1/2000 I believe the first offence is an infraction with a $500 fine.

But it's been a long time since I last discussed that part of the law..

-Dave

Scratch705
10-04-2011, 3:03 AM
dude, he is a rapper/actor with lots of money and fame. the law always treat celebrities with lesser penalties than the average citizen.

probably helps that he most likely hired one of those top end defense lawyer money can buy.

blazeaglory
10-04-2011, 3:24 AM
Good o'l Tone Loc gets cought with an "unregistered Colt AR15 Sporter" due to a search related to a "corporal injury to a spouse" arrest. The rapper plead no contest to the above charges (including the AW charge) and only ended up with 3-years probation, one day in jail (no doubt time served for time spent incustody), and 30-days community service.

What happened to spending time with Buba?

We all have heard, "your gonna spend time with Buba for that AW charge." But how many really spend any real jail time without other major assosiated factors involed. I'm talking about a major criminal history or commiting some major crime with the AW.

An AW related charge can be a major wobbler, public nussance - Feloney plus add on the primary charge of "Corporal Injury to a Spouse." 273.5(a) PC is a Felony. This is what Tone Loc (reportedly) plead no contest to. He didn't plea no contest to "Spousal Battery" 234(e)(1) PC which is a Misdemeanor.

Now, Mr. Loc may have been arrested for Felony Corporal Injury to a Spouse along with the additional filing for the Felony AW charge, but what did he end up with?

Loss of his firearms, probation, and some community service. Call it good lawyering but a decent PD could have done just as well for him. Might it be that Mr. Loc has been an upstanding citizen all his life and since he has never had a previouse arrest they went very light on him? Maybe so, but I highly doubt it.




Thats all I gotta hear

tenpercentfirearms
10-04-2011, 6:00 AM
Boy this post is an epic fail. He plead no contest to DV charges. He will never own firearms again. EVER! (unless we can win some court cases).

I guess that is no real jail time, but the idea that this isn't a big deal is probably something most of this forum will disagree with.

HowardW56
10-04-2011, 6:34 AM
Boy this post is an epic fail. He plead no contest to DV charges. He will never own firearms again. EVER! (unless we can win some court cases).

I guess that is no real jail time, but the idea that this isn't a big deal is probably something most of this forum will disagree with.


An arrest or one day in jail is inappropriate for owning the rifle.

As far as the DV is concerned, I don't care if he or she is a direct decendant of Satan, walk before things get out of control...

dantodd
10-04-2011, 7:11 AM
As far as the DV is concerned, I don't care if he or she is a direct decendant of Satan, walk before things get out of control...

I don't know the specifics of this DV case but there are numerous anecdotal cases where people have lost their firearms rights for "DV" that didn't even include physical contact.

IOW walking before things get out of control may not always be an option.

HowardW56
10-04-2011, 7:39 AM
I don't know the specifics of this DV case but there are numerous anecdotal cases where people have lost their firearms rights for "DV" that didn't even include physical contact.

IOW walking before things get out of control may not always be an option.

Dantodd

I don't doubt that it is possible that walking out was not a viable option, and may have been the case. Personally, walking out is the path I chose, and I have no regrets, and all of my rights...

Crom
10-04-2011, 7:52 AM
People v. Meyer - CA Assault Weapons Conviction PC 12280 - July 2011 (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=480124) <--This guy imported an AK-47 into the state from Nevada. Defendant pleaded no contest to count one with the understanding that no immediate state prison time would be imposed. The trial court placed defendant on probation for four years with 180 days in county jail, and dismissed the remaining counts [weapons charges].

It seems to me that DA's aren't going for the throat if there not hardened criminals.

bruss01
10-04-2011, 8:00 AM
Show me someplace better than a car wash or a burger-flipping joint who will hire you with those convictions on your record. You have to pass a background check to work ANYWHERE these days, except maybe the lowest forms of menial labor.

Mr. Tone-Loc doesn't have to worry about that. Losing 9/10ths of my annual salary for the rest of my life and starting over again like I was at 18, plus all my guns... no thanks. I'd have a makeout session with Mr. Mossberg first. Lots of tongue.

aermotor
10-04-2011, 9:41 AM
Thread title should read:


Another caleb gets caught with an AW and does no real jail time.

bwiese
10-04-2011, 9:47 AM
Note that the DV charge is serious and involves lifteime loss of gunrights.

The AW charge was simple *possession*. There was no transport, acquisition or manufacturing charge. As such it's a wobbler.

He had a high priced attorney and got the AW charge down to a misdemeanor.

Don Kilmer told me that 70+% of AW charges he knows of are a 'domestic' result (i.e, not transportation in car) - and that doesn't always mean DV, it means for any reason LE can enter house, which includes a variety of exigencies besides DV - or even that your cat knocked the phone to the floor and it autodialled 911.

bwiese
10-04-2011, 9:49 AM
Show me someplace better than a car wash or a burger-flipping joint who will hire you with those convictions on your record.. I'd have a makeout session with Mr. Mossberg first. Lots of tongue.

Silicon Valley has lots of non-drone (i.e., mid or senior level) employees with drug etc convictions as well as even things like kiddie porn convictions or being reg'd sex offenders.

If they can ship product, that's what counts.

bwiese
10-04-2011, 9:49 AM
People v. Meyer - CA Assault Weapons Conviction PC 12280 - July 2011 (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=480124) <--This guy imported an AK-47 into the state from Nevada. Defendant pleaded no contest to count one with the understanding that no immediate state prison time would be imposed. The trial court placed defendant on probation for four years with 180 days in county jail, and dismissed the remaining counts [weapons charges].

It seems to me that DA's aren't going for the throat if there not hardened criminals.

Varies by locale and lawyering skills.

Expect LA area to be worst.

QuarterBoreGunner
10-04-2011, 9:55 AM
Keep in mind, he isn't just he average plebe. He is (or was) one of the Hollywood elite.

Tone Loc is Hollywood Elite? What is this? 1989?

Sounds like he just had a good lawyer.

sirsloth
10-04-2011, 10:01 AM
Tone Loc is Hollywood Elite? What is this? 1989?

Sounds like he just had a good lawyer.

LOL seriously. He was never elite, not even in 1989. Can anyone even name two songs of his? I'm pretty sure that his wallet helped him more so than his "fame."

a1c
10-04-2011, 10:02 AM
Tone Loc is Hollywood Elite? What is this? 1989?

Sounds like he just had a good lawyer.

Yeah, no kidding. It's not like LA jails and California prisons don't count much more legitimate "Hollywood Elite" among their block residents. Much more famous rappers or musicians have ended up there.

QuarterBoreGunner
10-04-2011, 10:25 AM
LOL seriously. He was never elite, not even in 1989. Can anyone even name two songs of his? I'm pretty sure that his wallet helped him more so than his "fame."

Two songs:

"Funky Cold Medina"

"Wild Thing"

And that's it for the two hit wonder.

Scarecrow Repair
10-04-2011, 10:26 AM
Dantodd

I don't doubt that it is possible that walking out was not a viable option, and may have been the case. Personally, walking out is the path I chose, and I have no regrets, and all of my rights...

And what if you can't walk out because spouse is blocking the door?

Or what if spouse comes after you and your defense of yourself involves blocking which leaves marks, and the cops charge you for being bigger and male?

Not all of life's choices are really choices.

rp55
10-04-2011, 10:27 AM
Can anyone even name two songs of his?

Short shameful confession

Wild Thing
Funky Cold Medina

Ubermcoupe
10-04-2011, 10:28 AM
Good plea for serving time
Crappy plea for Firearm rights.

bruss01
10-04-2011, 10:36 AM
Silicon Valley has lots of non-drone (i.e., mid or senior level) employees with drug etc convictions as well as even things like kiddie porn convictions or being reg'd sex offenders.

If they can ship product, that's what counts.

Bill, if you know them personally I will not argue with you about it. However, I worked in the background screening industry for several years (post 9-11) and most employers are screening employees nowdays, the liability to shareholders and customers is staggering otherwise. There may be a few tech-startup enterprises where they are desperate for talent, that may cut a few corners and may nod-wink at a pot bust on somebody's record. At the firm where I worked, the prospective employers did not even care to know the charge, just whether it was a felony or a misdemeanor and how old the conviction was. I don't know any employers using our screening services that would hire someone with a felony on their record. If you spend even as little as 5 years sitting on the sideline in any vaguely technical area (medicine, computers, even auto mechanics) you are basically starting from scratch when you finally do get back in the game.

I can tell you, if I have a choice between two individuals and one has a clean record and the other has a misdemeanor, I would not be hiring the guy with a record. In the current job market, having a record is going to keep a lot of people looking for work a looooooong time.

luckystrike
10-04-2011, 6:04 PM
He will never own firearms again. EVER!

doubt that.

hornswaggled
10-04-2011, 10:49 PM
Short shameful confession

Wild Thing
Funky Cold Medina

Why is that shameful? I rocked the Tone Loc cassettes in Jr. High. Nothing like suburban-friendly pseudo rap to make you feel hard (but in a safe way).

Anchors
10-05-2011, 12:14 AM
Boy this post is an epic fail. He plead no contest to DV charges. He will never own firearms again. EVER! (unless we can win some court cases).

I guess that is no real jail time, but the idea that this isn't a big deal is probably something most of this forum will disagree with.

I would be devastated.
Losing my hobby, my job, my right to self-defense...

I can only think of a few worse punishments (serious prison time, debilitating injury, death).

odysseus
10-05-2011, 12:44 AM
Two songs:

"Funky Cold Medina"

"Wild Thing"

And that's it for the two hit wonder.

Don't forget his stunning and moving role in "Heat" as Richard Torena...

E Pluribus Unum
10-05-2011, 1:04 AM
I would argue that any time an "assault weapon" charge is levied against a citizen, it is a travesty; even hardened criminals. Let them be charged with the crimes they are committing, absent an AW charge. I would also argue that any time someone loses his gun rights forever over something stupid like a misdemeanor, it is a travesty, even when it's a hardened criminal.

Let severe crimes carry severe penalties, and minimum crimes carry little penalty. As soon as we begin to say it's OK for one group, it can be used against another.

anthonyca
10-05-2011, 4:28 AM
Bill, if you know them personally I will not argue with you about it. However, I worked in the background screening industry for several years (post 9-11) and most employers are screening employees nowdays, the liability to shareholders and customers is staggering otherwise. There may be a few tech-startup enterprises where they are desperate for talent, that may cut a few corners and may nod-wink at a pot bust on somebody's record. At the firm where I worked, the prospective employers did not even care to know the charge, just whether it was a felony or a misdemeanor and how old the conviction was. I don't know any employers using our screening services that would hire someone with a felony on their record. If you spend even as little as 5 years sitting on the sideline in any vaguely technical area (medicine, computers, even auto mechanics) you are basically starting from scratch when you finally do get back in the game.

I can tell you, if I have a choice between two individuals and one has a clean record and the other has a misdemeanor, I would not be hiring the guy with a record. In the current job market, having a record is going to keep a lot of people looking for work a looooooong time.

As a contractor who has been in hundreds of businesses I can agree. Many companies will not even let someone on site with ANY form of DV, some are even more strict.

Working for financial institutions, Goldman, Morgan, chase, the federal reserve etc, often requires that contractors (electricians, AC guys) pass the 1934 sec act background. We have had guys with expunged misdemeanors denied.

They WILL find the arrest for a misdemeanor, even one 15 years old as they did for one guy I know. He was 18 when t happened. It's expunged so they wanted the police report to make their decision. He never even saw the police report and the cops wouldn't give him a redacted copy, even with a public records request. He was denied access to the job. 12 years with the same company, never ANY contact with law enforcement before or after. Everyone at work now knows he has a record, the company is scared to send him to new high profile clients, and this will NEVER be fixed.

Another guy had a drunk and disorderly in college. He is an officer of the company and makes over 500k. He has had trouble getting badged to project manage his jobs. I know this man personally.
If your arrested now days, it will never go away, EVER!

Full Clip
10-05-2011, 5:24 AM
dude, he is a rapper/actor with lots of money and fame. the law always treat celebrities with lesser penalties than the average citizen.

Too true.
Even if Lindsay Lohan was found to have every AW on the list, she'd probably just get a fix-it ticket.

jeep7081
10-05-2011, 5:26 AM
Too true.
Even if Lindsay Lohan was found to have every AW on the list, she'd probably just get a fix-it ticket.

I like that "fix-it ticket". That list would be long. She is nothing to right home about nor bring home.

451040
10-05-2011, 6:07 AM
Tone Loc is Hollywood Elite? What is this? 1989?



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Cali-Shooter
10-05-2011, 6:10 AM
You can't expect prosecutions of the AW charge to be consistent across the whole in CA, given the murky and especially bogus origins of that charge that is in the books to begin with, in addition to the tendencies of certain counties/cities and their attitudes, like bwiese stated above.

Liberty1
10-05-2011, 7:52 AM
Nobody is going to do real time in this state for a long time. Parolees caught with guns are being seen back in the street within weeks of being hooked up. The prison doors are wide open.

E Pluribus Unum
10-05-2011, 10:41 PM
Nobody is going to do real time in this state for a long time. Parolees caught with guns are being seen back in the street within weeks of being hooked up. The prison doors are wide open.

AW are evil. They will let a rapist go in order to protect those future rape victims from the possibility of dying instead.

Patrick Aherne
10-05-2011, 11:19 PM
And what if you can't walk out because spouse is blocking the door?

Or what if spouse comes after you and your defense of yourself involves blocking which leaves marks, and the cops charge you for being bigger and male?

Not all of life's choices are really choices.

Be the FIRST person to call the police if your significant other is commiting the crime of false imprisonment. DO NOT use force to push by them. IANAL, and this should not be taken as legal advice.

stix213
10-06-2011, 2:37 AM
LOL seriously. He was never elite, not even in 1989. Can anyone even name two songs of his? I'm pretty sure that his wallet helped him more so than his "fame."

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005159/

Acting in 40 movies/TV shows. That doesn't even include his music. How is he not Hollywood elite?

Ford8N
10-06-2011, 5:37 AM
Bill, if you know them personally I will not argue with you about it. However, I worked in the background screening industry for several years (post 9-11) and most employers are screening employees nowdays, the liability to shareholders and customers is staggering otherwise. There may be a few tech-startup enterprises where they are desperate for talent, that may cut a few corners and may nod-wink at a pot bust on somebody's record. At the firm where I worked, the prospective employers did not even care to know the charge, just whether it was a felony or a misdemeanor and how old the conviction was. I don't know any employers using our screening services that would hire someone with a felony on their record. If you spend even as little as 5 years sitting on the sideline in any vaguely technical area (medicine, computers, even auto mechanics) you are basically starting from scratch when you finally do get back in the game.

I can tell you, if I have a choice between two individuals and one has a clean record and the other has a misdemeanor, I would not be hiring the guy with a record. In the current job market, having a record is going to keep a lot of people looking for work a looooooong time.

^^^ This

I've done hiring and seen how it works. DO NOT GET ARRESTED.

As a contractor who has been in hundreds of businesses I can agree. Many companies will not even let someone on site with ANY form of DV, some are even more strict.

Working for financial institutions, Goldman, Morgan, chase, the federal reserve etc, often requires that contractors (electricians, AC guys) pass the 1934 sec act background. We have had guys with expunged misdemeanors denied.

They WILL find the arrest for a misdemeanor, even one 15 years old as they did for one guy I know. He was 18 when t happened. It's expunged so they wanted the police report to make their decision. He never even saw the police report and the cops wouldn't give him a redacted copy, even with a public records request. He was denied access to the job. 12 years with the same company, never ANY contact with law enforcement before or after. Everyone at work now knows he has a record, the company is scared to send him to new high profile clients, and this will NEVER be fixed.

Another guy had a drunk and disorderly in college. He is an officer of the company and makes over 500k. He has had trouble getting badged to project manage his jobs. I know this man personally.
If your arrested now days, it will never go away, EVER!

Yup, companies do not want the liability of someone with an arrest record, ANY ARREST. Sorry.

gunsmith
10-06-2011, 11:11 AM
that would be "caught" & "Bubba" ... losing your rights sucks.

chead
10-06-2011, 11:31 AM
Thats all I gotta hear

Seriously, what do you want? He lost his guns and got probation, and for a gun I'm willing to bet he had before 2000. He pled down a felony; it happens probably thousands of times a day in California. In fact, it's a cornerstone of our justice system in that it allows arbitration to take place before getting in front of a judge (which can be a very good thing when you consider mandatory sentencing laws).

I can almost guarantee you if your average gun owner got popped for an AW violation at a range they would not do jail time.

BigDogatPlay
10-06-2011, 1:46 PM
LifetimeLoss of his right to possess firearms, probation, and some community service.

Fixed it for you. A plea or conviction for a misdemeanor DV crime is going to carry a lifetime prohibition under federal law. Good lawyering or not, and pleading first offenses wobblers down to misdemeanors happens all the time and at all income levels, Tone Loc is now a prohibited person. We'll see how long it takes for him to get popped for prohibited person in possession.

As to no jail at all, they are already overcrowded around California and the state is not helping by pushing state prison inmates down to the county jails.