PDA

View Full Version : Hi-Power safety, looking for experience.


InGrAM
10-03-2011, 6:11 PM
I have an old 90's FM Hi-Power, with what I think is a cylinder and slide after market extended thumb safety. The safety is sharp, I have filed quite a bit on it but I really do not like it. It cuts into my hand as I perch my thumb on it while I shoot :(. I am wondering how you guys feel about the factory Browning Hi-Power ambi-safety.

*I was wondering if anyone with experience with the Browning ambi-Hi-Power safety can tell me how they like it?

*Is it comfortable to perch a small to medium sized thumb on it?

Any other safeties you guys want me to look for would be cool.


Here is a pic of the safety I want with a link to it.

http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/2309/safetyq.jpg (http://imageshack.us//my-images/716/safetyq.jpg/)



Sites:
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=421543
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=441517

edwardm
10-03-2011, 6:37 PM
The factory safety on my HiPo (same era, but in .40, not 9) is probably the 2nd most-hated feature on my HiPo (first most-hated is the mag disco.)

hk91666
10-03-2011, 6:47 PM
I have a browning mark 1 hipower 9mm, safety=half cock of hammer.

Mag disconnect I removed when I upgraded to cyl & slide new trigger dropped the pull about 3-4lbs.

These are my opinions only I have owned a hi power for 30+ years.

Three years ago or so I replaced hammer with skeleton cyl & slide and also trigger.

This is one I will never part with.
As I said JMHO

InGrAM
10-04-2011, 3:25 PM
I guess ill just jump in a buy it. It is only $50 or so.

Thanks.

tacticalcity
10-04-2011, 3:28 PM
I've seen other extended safety's in pictures but have not found them online. Heard all kinds of complaints about the factory safety. Too small to be practical for a SD gun (hearsay not first hand experience).

Wish I could justify another full size gun so I could add a Hi-Power to the stable. In desperate need for a super compact gun instead.

InGrAM
10-04-2011, 4:12 PM
I've seen other extended safety's in pictures but have not found them online. Heard all kinds of complaints about the factory safety. Too small to be practical for a SD gun (hearsay not first hand experience).

Wish I could justify another full size gun so I could add a Hi-Power to the stable. In desperate need for a super compact gun instead.

That is exactly what I am worried about. My current safety is great, the size and positive lock and unlock are good but it kills my thumb while shooting it. I want a good feeling safety that I can ride my thumb on like a 1911 but I do not want to spend $100 on one.
I need to get down to the gun store and see how the browning ambi-safety feels.

If I was you, I would give buying a HI-power serious thought, mine is cheap and I still love it. I CC it most days.

zfields
10-04-2011, 5:31 PM
Theres a few extended safeties out there. I would get one. Hated the safety on my HIPO

InGrAM
10-04-2011, 8:54 PM
Theres a few extended safeties out there. I would get one. Hated the safety on my HIPO

Did your Hi-Power have the same safety as the one in the picture above?

zfields
10-04-2011, 9:51 PM
Mine was an original Mk II safety, it was a touch smaller. Yours doesnt look much more protruding, and even the current MK IIIs seem small to me.

tacticalcity
10-04-2011, 10:01 PM
That is exactly what I am worried about. My current safety is great, the size and positive lock and unlock are good but it kills my thumb while shooting it. I want a good feeling safety that I can ride my thumb on like a 1911 but I do not want to spend $100 on one.
I need to get down to the gun store and see how the browning ambi-safety feels.

If I was you, I would give buying a HI-power serious thought, mine is cheap and I still love it. I CC it most days.

You could get it professionally dehorned and then refinished when they are done. Gotta be a good gunsmith around to do it if your efforts aren't working.

I have a Kimber Custom II and Glock 17. Love both of them and am not anxious to part with either. Just got them both this past year as replacements to other guns. So another full size gun is hard to justify at the moment - but a year or two from now who knows? I need something that hides well with just a t-shirt on. But I do dig the Hi-Powers very much. If times were not so damn hard it would be different. Money is very tight.

zfields
10-04-2011, 10:15 PM
That is exactly what I am worried about. My current safety is great, the size and positive lock and unlock are good but it kills my thumb while shooting it. I want a good feeling safety that I can ride my thumb on like a 1911 but I do not want to spend $100 on one.
I need to get down to the gun store and see how the browning ambi-safety feels.

If I was you, I would give buying a HI-power serious thought, mine is cheap and I still love it. I CC it most days.

You sir, Need a CZ 75SA.

Best damn feeling safety.

InGrAM
10-05-2011, 11:34 AM
Mine was an original Mk II safety, it was a touch smaller. Yours doesnt look much more protruding, and even the current MK IIIs seem small to me.

The one in the pic is the one I was thinking about buying. It is the standard ambi-safety for Browning mk-III. The more I think about this the more that I am contemplating getting the SFS (Safety fast shooting) system.

http://www.cylinder-slide.com/index.php?app=ccp0&ns=prodshow&ref=CS0115

http://www.cylinder-slide.com/SFScustommod.shtml

But I do not want to jeopardize the reliability of this CC gun.

InGrAM
10-05-2011, 11:40 AM
You could get it professionally dehorned and then refinished when they are done. Gotten be a good gunsmith around to do it if your efforts aren't working.

I have a Kimber Custom II and Glock 17. Love both of them and am not anxious to part with either. Just got them both this past year as replacements to other guns. So another full size gun is hard to justify at the moment - but a year or two from now who knows? I need something that hides well with just a t-shirt on. But I do dig the Hi-Powers very much. If times were not so damn hard it would be different. Money is very tight.

Yeah, and a good Hi-Power is not exactly a "cheap" gun to be in the market for, especially here in CA.
I know how you feel, the credit cards are loving me at the moment lol.

dfletcher
10-05-2011, 11:57 AM
I've tried C & S extended safeties on BHPs and had the same problem - not enough metal on the safety to hold the sear in place. The pistols were an a few early 70's version (one via Iraq) and another a 90's. I've done quite a few 1911s and those of course come with plenty of metal and need to be fitted. The P35 is the same principle but for some reason the C & S is shy of metal. I ended up with alot of "click" as the sear & hammer moved with the safety fully engaged. Not enough to drop the hammer, but close to it. Actually, pressing the trigger with safety engaged to "set" then releasing the safety gave a great trigger pull, although I would'nt suggest it with live ammo. I've heard a C & S safety is best used with a C & S sear and hammer.

zfields
10-05-2011, 11:59 AM
The one in the pic is the one I was thinking about buying. It is the standard ambi-safety for Browning mk-III. The more I think about this the more that I am contemplating getting the SFS (Safety fast shooting) system.

http://www.cylinder-slide.com/index.php?app=ccp0&ns=prodshow&ref=CS0115

http://www.cylinder-slide.com/SFScustommod.shtml

But I do not want to jeopardize the reliability of this CC gun.

personally, I wouldnt mess with something like that. Really, check out the CZ 75 SA.

Similar "feel" to the HP, similar size, similar lines, but better safety, and better ergos in the grip, and much, much cheaper to get a damn good trigger on it.

Little tough to see it, but the thumb safety is very very natural to disengage, and gives a great spot for the thumb to ride.
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-crMb_SOLTCQ/TV7_bVlio1I/AAAAAAAAAHM/w0AaSXfBFJM/DSC00369.JPG

Compared to

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-DNEXM2blBjs/TSYbc1-vSZI/AAAAAAAAAEs/m05r8Ff-V2s/IMG_20110106_113435.jpg

redcliff
10-05-2011, 3:46 PM
You could get it professionally dehorned and then refinished when they are done. Gotten be a good gunsmith around to do it if your efforts aren't working.

.

My suggestion also. A "deburring" wheel will make short work of any sharp edges on your safety, then simply cold blue it. Many machine/engine shops have one mounted on a grinder. I have one personally from my days of playing with race cars and doing minor lathe work making bushings, spacers and other gizmo's, but to buy the wheels to mount on your bench grinder is about $60.00 so hard to justify for a one-time job.

I would not suggest the C&S conversion only for the simple reason that you may be "over-improving" a relatively modest FM pistol from which you'll not easily recover the modification cost if you sell it down the road.

InGrAM
10-05-2011, 4:57 PM
Thanks for the information and comments guys. I am going to try and smooth out the safety a bit more and see what happens. There isn't much metal to work with so I'll see what happens.

Can't buy anything here
10-05-2011, 5:32 PM
Are you sure it is a C&S? I have one and it isn't sharp. It's a perfect size for my thumb...doesn't stick out to far either...

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e249/sipowicz/P1070484.jpg

Can't buy anything here
10-05-2011, 5:34 PM
Actually, pressing the trigger with safety engaged to "set" then releasing the safety gave a great trigger pull, although I would'nt suggest it with live ammo. I've heard a C & S safety is best used with a C & S sear and hammer.

I always wondered my my trigger pull was better after pulling the trigger with the safety engaged (never did it on live ammo either)....thanks.

railroader
10-05-2011, 6:24 PM
InGrAM check your PM. Mark

dfletcher
10-05-2011, 8:50 PM
I always wondered my my trigger pull was better after pulling the trigger with the safety engaged (never did it on live ammo either)....thanks.

If you engage the safety and pull the trigger you'll probably feel a little "click". On one of mine, looking at the rear of the of the frame with a little light back there, the edge of the sear could be seen rising just a bit when doing so. You might be able to do the same. So long as everything stays put I guess it's no big deal, but it is kind of annoying. It's not as though these are cheap pistols.