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03fatboy
10-02-2011, 8:25 AM
My LGS has a S&W1911(stainless with black accents) and a Colt 70 series (Blue) for sale. They both have been shot very little, both say 98%. The colt is original (really nice) with no box though and one mag and the S&W comes with a box and all paperwork and extra mag. Looking for my first 1911, what should I do? It will be for range plinking primarily, but I'm hoping for the straight scoop from the shooters. Can I go wrong either way, I will likely have this for a long time? How are the price points on both as well.
Thanks and appreciate you help.

ZX-10R
10-02-2011, 8:40 AM
Colt...S&W was second my list. Both are awesome guns. $775 for that Colt? I would buy it.

Revoman
10-02-2011, 8:48 AM
Both are good quality guns and you cannot go wrong with one or the other.

Me, I would opt for the newer one with all of the factory warranties, box, tools, extra mag, etc.

The 70 series is supposed to be a little better, but you couldn't prove it from my experience. The DK 1911 that I have has no issues what so ever.

The Colt though is pretty much the standard in 1911's and is a reliable piece.

If you plan on shooting targets, make sure that each has adjustable sights, if ambi-safety is important, that could be another deal breaker.

Personally I like the stainless/black look too. Stainless is easier to take care of in my opinion.

The prices seem to be okay.

cineski
10-02-2011, 8:59 AM
What is a box and paperwork going to do for you? Especially from a S&W non-collector grade new production 1911. Get the Colt. That's a good price if it's 98%. S&W are nice 1911's but in my experience a S&W 1911 needs trigger work.

morrcarr67
10-02-2011, 9:16 AM
Colt

loosewreck
10-02-2011, 9:46 AM
Get the Series 70, you might get more for your money with the S&W, in terms of factory ergonomics and accuracy upgrades, but Series 70s are harder to come by and will appreciate in value much more over time. You'll also get more props from 1911 purists, if that matters to you.

fennecfrank
10-02-2011, 9:53 AM
Colt Series 70!

AragornElessar86
10-02-2011, 10:09 AM
Colt 70. I love mine.

foxtrotuniformlima
10-02-2011, 10:34 AM
What is an LGS ?

Oh, and get the Colt.

billybob_jcv
10-02-2011, 10:39 AM
At the LGS in my area I rarely see a full-sized Colt 1911 for under $900, and many are over $1000!

03fatboy
10-02-2011, 10:45 AM
LGS = Local Gun Shop/Store

jonzer77
10-02-2011, 12:10 PM
You should buy the S&W, and let me know the name of this lgs.

bsg
10-02-2011, 12:28 PM
gosh... i'd get the Colt.

esartori
10-02-2011, 12:40 PM
I vote for colt as well

junkit_boy
10-02-2011, 12:41 PM
I vote Colt too!

JRJCP
10-02-2011, 1:15 PM
Get the Colt!

supersonic
10-02-2011, 1:31 PM
My LGS has a S&W1911(stainless with black accents) and a Colt 70 series (Blue) for sale. The Colt is $775 and the S&W is $875. They both have been shot very little, both say 98%. The colt is original (really nice) with no box though and one mag and the S&W comes with a box and all paperwork and extra mag. Looking for my first 1911, what should I do? It will be for range plinking primarily, but I'm hoping for the straight scoop from the shooters. Can I go wrong either way, I will likely have this for a long time? How are the price points on both as well.
Thanks and appreciate you help.

Colt's are awesome pistols, and I love my Delta Elite. BUT- I'll tell you something about those S&W 1911's. Mine is nearing the 10,000 round mark and has not had one single malfunction. It is the best 1911 I have ever owned!

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb181/giftedgiver/DSCN3290.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb181/giftedgiver/DSCN3289-1.jpg

zman
10-02-2011, 2:08 PM
Colt

03fatboy
10-02-2011, 2:14 PM
Many posts for the Colt, seems unanimous. We'll see if they still have it tomorrow morning?

bombadillo
10-02-2011, 2:19 PM
Colt in a heartbeat. It'll go up in value while the other will go down for awhile then MAYBE go up from there.

redcliff
10-02-2011, 2:33 PM
While I think the Colt is the better buy and certainly more collectable, what exactly are your plans for the pistol?

For a shooter, I like things like good sights, beavertail grip safetys and lowerred/flared ejection port, which the S&W should already have and the Colt will not. Adding those things to the Colt will cost money and hurt it's collector value.

ojisan
10-02-2011, 2:43 PM
All I seem to do lately is follow behind Redcliff and say "Yup, he's right again".
:o

ap3572001
10-02-2011, 2:50 PM
My LGS has a S&W1911(stainless with black accents) and a Colt 70 series (Blue) for sale. The Colt is $775 and the S&W is $875. They both have been shot very little, both say 98%. The colt is original (really nice) with no box though and one mag and the S&W comes with a box and all paperwork and extra mag. Looking for my first 1911, what should I do? It will be for range plinking primarily, but I'm hoping for the straight scoop from the shooters. Can I go wrong either way, I will likely have this for a long time? How are the price points on both as well.
Thanks and appreciate you help.

From many years of playing with 1911's, I found out that the very best ones started as Colt Series 70 or Commercial (PRE series 70) after being worked on by the very best names in the country.

Now. I am talking about serious carry guns.

For out of the box 1911's for target shooting and having fun, any good name will do . I shot my friends Kimbers, Dan Wessons, Springfields etc.

I must say that after trying some Custom Production guns, I was not very impressed. 2000.00 + guns should have been better than that.

The ones I really like is the work of Springfield Custom shop. They are really great! Not cheap, but great.

Kanoodler
10-02-2011, 4:10 PM
I think the Colt is the "easy answer." It will continue to appreciate in value. It would do just find for CC or HD. (Might want to get the once over by a good smith for safety and replace any worn springs) And it's a Colt!

Kanoodler
10-02-2011, 4:10 PM
Please delete- Double post- Sorry CG-ers!

den888
10-02-2011, 6:12 PM
I'd go with the Colt.

tacticalcity
10-02-2011, 6:43 PM
As an investment, I say get the Colt. But if it has all the old GI style controls it probably won't be as much fun to shoot as the S&W. How it is configured plays a roll in how it feels. Some people like GI controls. I like the the modern controls especially the modern hammer and beavertail grip safety. Still, a 70 series Colt is a smart buy. The sort of thing you kick yourself for passing on. You could add the modern hammer and beavertail if it doesn't have them. A lot of them do. Just keep the original parts from an investment standpoint.

MongooseV8
10-02-2011, 7:11 PM
Colt without hesitation. We have all heard it before....It it aint a Colt, its a copy!

Flipper
10-02-2011, 9:29 PM
Go Colt!!!

116932

bw762308
10-02-2011, 10:00 PM
Colt +1

NSR500
10-03-2011, 3:42 AM
COLT

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bombadillo
10-03-2011, 8:09 AM
This was my series 70 colt gone custom. Its got a BY HAND checkered front strap, rear strap, slide stop, plunger, hand flared mag well with fitted grips (had to be carved by hand to fit) fitted bushing, fitted beavertail, 2.5lb trigger pull (job done by larry mears in redding) ed brown hammer, widened frame to fit a colt gold cup trigger, fitted frame to slide (thing feels like glass) fitted bushing, hand checkered rear of the slide, bo-mar sights, custom skeletonized front sight, hand checkered trigger guard, oversized mag release and I'm sure I'm missing stuff. Its an amazing gun and for about $2500 worth of customizing, its worth every penny.

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l122/bombadillo08/100_2931.jpg

http://s95.photobucket.com/albums/l122/bombadillo08/?action=view&current=100_2928.jpg
This started life as a series 70 government model.

The pics make the bluing look like its coming off or something but its just a bad shot. The thing looks like a black mirror when you hold it up.

03fatboy
10-03-2011, 11:43 AM
We'll I bought the Colt! I overly estimated the condition, but it's a bit better than 90%, some handling marks and idiot mark, two mags, no rust, nice bluing, nice original grips and a clean bore. Should be a fun shooter for general range fun. Seems like a solid first 1911. If bells and whistles are wanted later I guess another would be in order, at this time it stay as is....

bombadillo
10-03-2011, 1:40 PM
Pics or it didn't happen :D


We're all pic whores around here!

tacticalcity
10-03-2011, 2:40 PM
Pics of both would help.

03fatboy
10-03-2011, 2:48 PM
Pics will be up once I have her home

ZX-10R
10-03-2011, 3:05 PM
We'll I bought the Colt! I overly estimated the condition, but it's a bit better than 90%, some handling marks and idiot mark, two mags, no rust, nice bluing, nice original grips and a clean bore. The seller had some flexibility in the price so OTD at $790, I ain't complaining. Should be a fun shooter for general range fun. Seems like a solid first 1911. If bells and whistles are wanted later I guess another would be in order, at this time it stay as is....

You did great for yourself.

cineski
10-03-2011, 7:20 PM
Great choice. You know, when I buy something that's new I tend to baby it. When I buy used, I tend to use it. Used FTW.

03fatboy
10-04-2011, 8:44 AM
Great choice. You know, when I buy something that's new I tend to baby it. When I buy used, I tend to use it. Used FTW.

Yes, that's what I'm trying to say or at least how I feel. :D

I will shoot it and I doubt I'll make it any worse other than normal usage wear marks.

03fatboy
10-04-2011, 8:46 AM
Could use some recommendations for any tools I need to purchase? Also a how to video or information on breaking it down would also be appreciated for a good cleaning. Should I have a smith take a look at it first or shoot it first?

Are Colt manuals down loadable, this may help as well?

billybob_jcv
10-04-2011, 8:57 AM
Could use some recommendations for any tools I need to purchase? Also a how to video or information on breaking it down would also be appreciated for a good cleaning. Should I have a smith take a look at it first or shoot it first?

Are Colt manuals down loadable, this may help as well?

Tons of 1911 videos on youtube.

Bobby Ricigliano
10-07-2011, 6:02 AM
I will buck the trend and say S&W. The Colt has a lot of resale potential and is a platform for custom work.

However the S&W is a great HD gun right out of the box and requires zero additional work/parts/money to function flawlessly.

-hanko
10-07-2011, 6:32 AM
Could use some recommendations for any tools I need to purchase? Also a how to video or information on breaking it down would also be appreciated for a good cleaning. Should I have a smith take a look at it first or shoot it first?

Are Colt manuals down loadable, this may help as well?
http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=13805/Product/JERRY-KUHNHAUSEN-THE-COLT-45-AUTOMATIC

/thread ;)

-hanko

HPGunner
10-07-2011, 6:35 AM
Get the colt and then resell it for $1200 and then use that extra cash for either ammo or custom work on the S&W. If you want a more modern 1911 with modern upgrades like beaver tail grip safeties and ambi thumb safeties and flared ejection ports and mag wells get the S&W. Otherwise go with the Colt S70 and keep a piece of classic craftsmanship.

Depending on what your plans are for the 1911, like many others said the Colt has collector value while the Smith doesn't. I don't have much experience with the Smith but the Colt I can tell you is very reliable. The series 70 in my opinion has a looser fitting slide than other 1911s I've owned, but it's also one of my more reliable 1911s i've owned.

I got my Colt S70 used and i replaced all the springs with a Wolff service pack and dropped in a new Ed Brown extractor and now it functions and feels like new again. I also replaced the collet bushing with a solid one. I didn't want to risk the collet one breaking.

Mickey D
10-07-2011, 6:58 AM
Colt! The original 1911 platform.

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w22/MickeyD1/ColtNic1911LH.jpg

03fatboy
10-07-2011, 7:49 AM
Some factors that influenced my decision:

1. I like things with age and great history and I plan on keeping it for awhile. I agree the Colt will not lose value (left stock) and the S&W I was looking at also was not a great dollar deal.
2. I can buy a S&W or another with bells and whistles much easier than the Series 70.
3. The S70 should be very reliable, fun to shoot with myself or buddies. I like the no frills options, a little more basic.
4. This one is my introduction to a 1911. Not mint in box condition, so I won't feel bad shooting it and learning the in's and out's, don't get me wrong it will be well cared for.
5. Here is the zinger! If this one really sparks my interest like I have in S&W revolvers than it won't be my last. I will buy my next one with some of the option's I may need or prefer for comfort, accuracy, target, etc...Bottom line is, I'm primarily a recreation shooter that just enjoys pulling the trigger, hearing a bang and hope I hit paper, sometimes I get lucky!!!

HPGunner
10-07-2011, 9:12 AM
Some factors that influenced my decision:

1. I like things with age and great history and I plan on keeping it for awhile. I agree the Colt will not lose value (left stock) and the S&W I was looking at also was not a great dollar deal.
2. I can buy a S&W or another with bells and whistles much easier than the Series 70.
3. The S70 should be very reliable, fun to shoot with myself or buddies. I like the no frills options, a little more basic.
4. This one is my introduction to a 1911. Not mint in box condition, so I won't feel bad shooting it and learning the in's and out's, don't get me wrong it will be well cared for.
5. Here is the zinger! If this one really sparks my interest like I have in S&W revolvers than it won't be my last. I will buy my next one with some of the option's I may need or prefer for comfort, accuracy, target, etc...Bottom line is, I'm primarily a recreation shooter that just enjoys pulling the trigger, hearing a bang and hope I hit paper, sometimes I get lucky!!!

That's the spirit!
Here's a shot of my Colt for inspiration.
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-7HgDg4FcjwM/TdtDJGfETcI/AAAAAAAAB3o/8XLV1ULRzmY/s640/DSC_0020.JPG

dhyayi
10-11-2011, 9:07 AM
Colt! The original 1911 platform.



Awesome Colt. Nice

spoolinq
10-11-2011, 9:19 AM
I have a s&w 1911 and I'd take the colt!