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lswanie
09-28-2011, 11:14 PM
So my local dealer/range (after I did not believe a few co-workers) told me all I have to do to get my handguns shipped here is to have an FFL in NC ship them to an FFL in CA and after some fees; bingo bango I have my handguns.

This does not make sense to me at all in light of the strict rules on gun ownership here. Namely this seems to make it easier for a non-resident of the state to legally obtain a handgun than a resident of the state...

I can't buy any guns here; that seems relatively clear, and I wouldn't want to anyway. However, this seems to implicate I could buy whatever I want to from an FFL in NC and have it shipped here, as long as the firearm is not inherently illegal here to begin with.

If all of this is true (which I still highly doubt; guy at the range seemed to be brushing me off), I can avoid paying the premium prices which I assume are tax related by purchasing and shipping firearms here, and additionally I would assume I can buy any long gun I would like and have it shipped here (no permits, safety courses etc back home).

Do these bureaucratic holes really exist, or am I receiving poor information? Maybe these so called "fees" are accompanied with insane taxes?

Cyc Wid It
09-28-2011, 11:19 PM
What are you trying to ask? Why can't you buy guns here? You can have them shipped from an individual even if your FFL will accept shipments from individuals. When the gun arrives, you pay a transfer fee (can be whatever the dealer wants but should be around $50) plus DROS ($25) then wait 10 days and it's yours.

unusedusername
09-28-2011, 11:20 PM
Do you have dual residency in both CA and NC?

lswanie
09-28-2011, 11:23 PM
Thanks, that is basically what I was asking.

That is just strange to me, because if I were to try to acquire one here as a resident; I would have to have a CA drivers license, proof or residency (bills or whatever else it is they take), and I think you have to take a special safety course or something correct?

It just seems weird that I am legally given more leeway as a non-resident at owning a handgun than a resident. I figured when moving out here, I flat out would not be able to own any guns until changing my residency; let alone any of my handguns.

EDIT: No CA residency in terms of ID, should have pointed that out sorry

Librarian
09-28-2011, 11:46 PM
To be clear - you are a resident of NC, yes? If that is so, in NC you can do whatever NC allows.

You are in California for something? A visit? School? A hunting trip? Intending to become a CA resident? Each of those is slightly different.

For example, suppose you are moving here because your company has transferred you here; you expect to be here for a couple of years.

If that were to be the case, then you would be here to become a CA citizen, as reluctantly as that might be so.

In that case, you would benefit from reading the wiki -- http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/Moving_to_California_with_firearms and http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/Federal_residency_requirements

Two major differences between visiting and moving here is (a) you get to go home and follow your real home's laws and (b) you don't have to register your handguns, as a new resident must.

Flintlock Tom
09-29-2011, 6:55 AM
Something's wrong here. If the OP (original poster) has someone in NC ship a handgun to a CA FFL how would the CA FFL transfer the gun to him if he is not a CA resident? Can non-residents DROS a handgun in CA?
I think the only way the OP, as a non-resident, can "aquire" a handgun in CA is to go back to NC, buy it and bring it back.

ZX-10R
09-29-2011, 7:10 AM
If you live in NC then go look at the silly gun laws and flow charts here. Also there is a link to show what is legal or not in CA. Are you moving here? Are you visiting for a long period? If you are visiting, keep your guns in NC. Laws in CA are not great for guns that are not legal in this liberal state. If you are moving here then find out what is legal and not or what needs to be done to them to make them CA legal.

lswanie
09-29-2011, 9:49 AM
Something's wrong here. If the OP (original poster) has someone in NC ship a handgun to a CA FFL how would the CA FFL transfer the gun to him if he is not a CA resident? Can non-residents DROS a handgun in CA?
I think the only way the OP, as a non-resident, can "aquire" a handgun in CA is to go back to NC, buy it and bring it back.

Yea, it does not make any sense, but that is how it has been presented to me.

I am a quasi-resident I would say haha. I have been here about a year, but that is about six months longer than I ever planned. I think I will be here through the winter and am then heading back home, so there is no way I am giving up my NC residency for that short of a time. I wonder if having the gun shipped here would be legal and easy, but then having it at my place of residency would then make it illegal; because I am on the lease.

I think the thing that makes it tricky here is I already own the things, so maybe there is some kind of federal law that says as long as they are legal in the state; they cannot keep me from keeping them in a legal locations. There are two I am thinking about shipping here. One is a Sig P239 (.40 and .357 sig), and the other is my 4" Kimber CDPII (.45). Both totally legal so no worries there

dholla
09-29-2011, 10:39 AM
should have just flown with them here.

Librarian
09-29-2011, 11:07 AM
I think the thing that makes it tricky here is I already own the things, so maybe there is some kind of federal law that says as long as they are legal in the state; they cannot keep me from keeping them in a legal locations. There are two I am thinking about shipping here. One is a Sig P239 (.40 and .357 sig), and the other is my 4" Kimber CDPII (.45). Both totally legal so no worries there

Not a problem - visitors may bring in anything CA does not call an 'assault weapon'; no need for any documentation about you to match anything at all in California.

should have just flown with them here.

Yes; fly home and bring them back would be by far the easiest. Feds say shipping them interstate to yourself is legal, so long as you are the only one to open the package(s), but UPS and FedEx have business policies that require an FFL at one end of any shipment, and USPS is not available to non-FFLs for handgun shipment.

I just looked at DHL (http://www.dhl.com/en/express/shipping/shipping_advice/terms_conditions.html) (which does have domestic service) - they just refuse firearms:Shipper agrees that its Shipment is acceptable for transportation and is deemed unacceptable if:

it is classified as hazardous material, dangerous goods, prohibited or restricted articles by IATA (International Air Transport Association), ICAO (International Civil Aviation Organisation), ADR (European Road Transport Regulation on dangerous goods), any applicable government department or other relevant organisation;

no customs declaration is made when required by applicable customs regulations;

it contains counterfeit goods, animals, bullion, currency, banderols/tax stickers, bearer form negotiable instruments, precious metals and stones; real or imitation firearms, parts thereof, weapons, explosives and ammunition; human remains, pornography or illegal narcotics/drugs),

GoingQuiet
09-29-2011, 11:14 AM
They're making it more complicated than it has to be. Having an FFL in NC ship to an FFL in CA is not required. Anyone in NC can ship to an FFL in CA, so involving an FFL on the shipping end is an extra step.

If you are moving to CA, theres nothing illegal about having your firearms shipped to your new address.

So my local dealer/range (after I did not believe a few co-workers) told me all I have to do to get my handguns shipped here is to have an FFL in NC ship them to an FFL in CA and after some fees; bingo bango I have my handguns.

This does not make sense to me at all in light of the strict rules on gun ownership here. Namely this seems to make it easier for a non-resident of the state to legally obtain a handgun than a resident of the state...

I can't buy any guns here; that seems relatively clear, and I wouldn't want to anyway. However, this seems to implicate I could buy whatever I want to from an FFL in NC and have it shipped here, as long as the firearm is not inherently illegal here to begin with.

If all of this is true (which I still highly doubt; guy at the range seemed to be brushing me off), I can avoid paying the premium prices which I assume are tax related by purchasing and shipping firearms here, and additionally I would assume I can buy any long gun I would like and have it shipped here (no permits, safety courses etc back home).

Do these bureaucratic holes really exist, or am I receiving poor information? Maybe these so called "fees" are accompanied with insane taxes?

Tripper
09-29-2011, 11:14 AM
if they are his own, cant he ship them to himself, or himself care/of.
that would be no diff than shipping a hunting weapon to yourself would it

these are questions, not statements.
although you would not want to ship normal capacity mags (10+round)

lswanie
09-29-2011, 11:14 AM
Thanks a bunch guys. I might just pay my friend with an FFL to do it for me, depending on if I go home anytime soon. I guess it is as easy as they say!

GoingQuiet
09-29-2011, 11:17 AM
Something's wrong here. If the OP (original poster) has someone in NC ship a handgun to a CA FFL how would the CA FFL transfer the gun to him if he is not a CA resident? Can non-residents DROS a handgun in CA?
I think the only way the OP, as a non-resident, can "aquire" a handgun in CA is to go back to NC, buy it and bring it back.

There is an ATF revenue ruling that discusses dual residency.

When someone from NC is living in CA, they are a CA resident in the eyes of ATF and may purchase firearms.

gatesbox
09-29-2011, 11:22 AM
To put it plainly purchasing guns out of state is no easier than buying guns in state. The same requirements for residency etc. apply, same waiting periods, and usually the FFL is going to charge a premium to recieive the firearm as an out of state transfer.

That said some people do find good internet deals or out of state used firearms, purchase, and pay the aprox $50-$75 additional fee for the transfer. That is a fee you pay to an instate ffl, not an out of state ffl. For private sales many ffls will receive the firearm direct from the seller.