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nlpro
09-28-2011, 2:50 PM
I just bought a stag stripped lower receiver and while i wait to get it out of its 10 day incarceration i am shopping for uppers receivers . I want to do a featureless build so i can have removable magazines the rifle ill be for shtf and range plinking so reliability is my biggest concern with accuracy second. .

I want to have 20 inch barrel chrome line preferable (Because i read chrome lined is more reliable) flat top receiver . This Armalite seems to have ever thing i want http://www.armalite.com/ItemForm.aspx?item=U15A4B-2&Category=bce7fa68-373e-4afc-b00e-63fe2c75d131 do you guys think it would be a good choice ?.

I would like to hear some opinions on other upper receivers that would be good for my build as well sense i am new to AR rifles and don't know allot about what to look for in a good upper yet . A friend mention www.model1sales.com awb uppers as a good choice as well .My budget is $750 max for the upper

SoCalXD
09-28-2011, 3:43 PM
If you have a carbine stock, I'd suggest keeping the gun a lightweight carbine (and ah, even if you don't... building a long heavy gun around a 5.56mm cartridge is a bad idea... might as well go AR10!). Get a 16" lightweight barreled upper. BCM has a 14.5" option that is very sweet if you are willing to pay around $75 more for a barrel than Model1's lightweight 16". You might want to consider going with a 16" barreled Mid, if you can find one, and a light version. Stick with the Magpul forend and AFG2 grip... they work well, are light, and are legal for a featureless. As for a firing hand grip, I'd suggest a Hammer head, cut down to a bobbed version. Don't forget a light weight red dot. Assuming you don't want to spend $600 on one, I'd suggest a Primary Arms Microdot with killflash and riser. Hmm... looks like I've just suggested to you exactly what I have for my truck gun! (6.5lbs loaded)

http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq215/krakenbound/FeaturelessAR.jpg

spdrcr
09-28-2011, 4:06 PM
What muzzle device is that SoCalXD? It looks like a FSC556, which would be a risky choice for a "featureless" build.

someR1
09-28-2011, 5:11 PM
Noveske and Daniel Defense seem to be on the upper scale

nlpro
09-28-2011, 5:13 PM
this is probably a noob question but does a chrome bolt and carrier group make a difference for reliability

SoCalXD
09-29-2011, 8:32 AM
What muzzle device is that SoCalXD? It looks like a FSC556, which would be a risky choice for a "featureless" build.

Your concern is appreciated. It is a pretty cool looking non-flash suppressor, eh! (But it's one heck of a concussion device... man this thing is loud!). Based upon concerns such as yours, I carry a copy of this BATF letter in my gun case, right next to the rifle (along with a Calguns flow chart, of course!) http://primaryweapons.com/store/pc/documents/ATF_FSC556.pdf

SoCalXD
09-29-2011, 8:41 AM
this is probably a noob question but does a chrome bolt and carrier group make a difference for reliability

Only in the extreme, if you don't keep your AR reasonably clean and lubed. I guess if you were running it dry in the desert, chrome would be better. The real benefit of chrome is the reduced wear due to it's increased hardness (and therefore, reduced friction). I don't shoot enough to wear out my 223 barrels, no less my black bolt carriers... maybe one of them fancy 3-gunners (or Sandbox soldiers) can comment on long term issues regarding carrier/bolt wear). One thing you DO want to prepare for is the wear of the small parts: Firing pin retaining pin and Bolt Cam... they wear pretty quickly, so keep spares handy.

pacifico23
09-29-2011, 8:55 AM
I just bought a stag stripped lower receiver and while i wait to get it out of its 10 day incarceration i am shopping for uppers receivers . I want to do a featureless build so i can have removable magazines the rifle ill be for shtf and range plinking so reliability is my biggest concern with accuracy second. .

I want to have 20 inch barrel chrome line preferable (Because i read chrome lined is more reliable) flat top receiver . This Armalite seems to have ever thing i want http://www.armalite.com/ItemForm.aspx?item=U15A4B-2&Category=bce7fa68-373e-4afc-b00e-63fe2c75d131 do you guys think it would be a good choice ?.

I would like to hear some opinions on other upper receivers that would be good for my build as well sense i am new to AR rifles and don't know allot about what to look for in a good upper yet . A friend mention www.model1sales.com awb uppers as a good choice as well .My budget is $750 max for the upper

Armalite is great product. Have a 16' Armalite upper about 3k in it so far.
If you buy from Armalite, I would personally wait for the sale that's coming up. You just missed a deal on budsgunshop.com. They had a 20" national match armalite with two stage trigger, and od green stock and handguard. I bilieve it was like 899.00 I saw it on there last night, was great deal. But not on there anymore.

spdrcr
09-29-2011, 9:38 AM
Your concern is appreciated. It is a pretty cool looking non-flash suppressor, eh! (But it's one heck of a concussion device... man this thing is loud!). Based upon concerns such as yours, I carry a copy of this BATF letter in my gun case, right next to the rifle (along with a Calguns flow chart, of course!) http://primaryweapons.com/store/pc/documents/ATF_FSC556.pdf

I'm familiar with that letter. Just be aware that just because the BATF says it is ok with them does not mean that the CA DOJ agrees with them. That letter may carry some weight, but it is not a "get out of jail free" card. CA DOJ has it's own definition of what consititutes a flash suppressor and the fact that PWS markets that device as a Flash Suppressing Compensator does not help its case.

gvbsat
09-29-2011, 9:42 AM
If you have a carbine stock, I'd suggest keeping the gun a lightweight carbine (and ah, even if you don't... building a long heavy gun around a 5.56mm cartridge is a bad idea... might as well go AR10!). Get a 16" lightweight barreled upper. BCM has a 14.5" option that is very sweet if you are willing to pay around $75 more for a barrel than Model1's lightweight 16". You might want to consider going with a 16" barreled Mid, if you can find one, and a light version. Stick with the Magpul forend and AFG2 grip... they work well, are light, and are legal for a featureless. As for a firing hand grip, I'd suggest a Hammer head, cut down to a bobbed version. Don't forget a light weight red dot. Assuming you don't want to spend $600 on one, I'd suggest a Primary Arms Microdot with killflash and riser. Hmm... looks like I've just suggested to you exactly what I have for my truck gun! (6.5lbs loaded)

http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq215/krakenbound/FeaturelessAR.jpg

6.5#'s loaded. Damn thats light. So your AR w/out mag is 5.5#'s?

lawaia
09-29-2011, 9:42 AM
Your concern is appreciated. It is a pretty cool looking non-flash suppressor, eh! (But it's one heck of a concussion device... man this thing is loud!). Based upon concerns such as yours, I carry a copy of this BATF letter in my gun case, right next to the rifle (along with a Calguns flow chart, of course!) http://primaryweapons.com/store/pc/documents/ATF_FSC556.pdf

That BATF letter won't mean squat in CA. You may want to search here for more info on the FSC556. It is a flash hider. I'd hate to see someone get in trouble for something so trivial.:)

ETA: If you like the FSC556, look at the TTO. Same compensator without the "flash hider" tines on the end.

fixitoscar
09-29-2011, 11:17 AM
I'm in the thinking process of a 20" featureless build for my wife. I personally don't care for muzzle brakes/compensators. they make the AR so darn loud for the shooter and anyone shooting next to them. IMO muzzle rise on a 20" AR really isn't an issue. My plan is to just run a thread protector.

mif_slim
09-29-2011, 11:48 AM
Well, did this myself:
Unknown upper, 20" BLack hole bbl, CMMG BCG.
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a105/mif_slim/64f62749.jpg

Or my frankin AR with a Stag Arms compensator. The 3 chamber works okay, I chopped the rear chamber up and it works ALOT better, but its not in the picture:
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a105/mif_slim/8a7ef72a.jpg
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a105/mif_slim/HuntingNFirearms028.jpg

The top one cost me about 375 bucks for the upper, the second cost me a total of 390 for the entire gun.

Bladewurk
09-29-2011, 1:07 PM
There is alot of choices and just about any upper can be made featureless. I really like the Vtac tube like pjkearns actually his entire build is nicely thought out and looks like a nice 3 gun rifle.

Here's a similar one of mine..

If I did it again I wouldn't use the Larue I'd use a JP or Troy TRX like my other builds.

This is an 18 inch Mid gas stainless fluted Sabre Defence barrel pretty accurate ..I say build your own http://tapatalk.com/mu/a6cd8c76-cfcd-4c9d.jpg


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tacticalcity
09-29-2011, 1:10 PM
Something to consider, the DPMS Panther Break looks and functions like a hider but is legally considered a break. It is not annoyingly loud like most breaks, which is the main reason I like it. With that particular break on it you could switch between featureless and Bullet Button equipped and it would have the appearance of a regular AR when in Bullet Button mode.

Fate
09-29-2011, 2:12 PM
Stick with the Magpul forend and AFG2 grip... they work well, are light, and are legal for a featureless.

http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq215/krakenbound/FeaturelessAR.jpg

The guy running a flash suppressing comp also is recommending using the AFG. :facepalm: So much fail.

Please, ignore this guy. He'll get you in trouble.

gun toting monkeyboy
09-29-2011, 5:09 PM
Ok, first, Model 1 Sales is a bottom tier company. I have 2 of them, and enjoy them. But nowadays you can do way better for the money you would spend there.

That Armalite isn't bad, but it has some things I don't like. The gas block doesn't have a front sight, which means you will have to spend some extra money to get one. Since almost none of the flat tops out there come with a rear sight, that is moot, as you will have to get one regardless of who you go with. The other problem I see is that the muzzle brake is welded on. That means you can't swap it out without a gunsmith. That may seem like no big deal, but ARs are like Barbie dolls for men. Half the fun of having them is swapping stuff around.

Personally, I would just get a BCM 20" upper, and one of the many, many inexpensive muzzle brakes that are out there for under $30. Cavalry Manufacturing make a really nice, sturdy one for around $27 at Brownells. Swap the flash hider out for the MB, and you are good to go with a really nice upper from one of the better manufacturers. Oh, and I wouldn't stress too much about getting a bolt with any kinds of weird coatings on it. Go with any of the ones they sell at BCM and you'll be fine.

-Mb

grant22
10-01-2011, 8:04 AM
Here is the upper I went with for my first build
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=493749

I like the look and ergonomics of a railless forend
O ya dont forget you will need to have muzzle brake as opposed to a flashhider

It is a forsure a little on the heavy side but it sure does shoulder well
Here it is
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd301/bjkearns/P1010353.jpg

That is a nice upper (and I think it's basically a JP). It's also cool that if you wanted, I think you can add rails to that handguard if needed.

SoCalXD
10-02-2011, 8:20 PM
The guy running a flash suppressing comp also is recommending using the AFG. :facepalm: So much fail.

Please, ignore this guy. He'll get you in trouble.

State your case law, a penal code section or a CADOJ memo regarding your opinions, or quit spreading the rumors of the ignorant who's either "done it twice, knows somebody who's done it twice, or has two of them". Just because you've been arguing that an AFG is a "pistol grip" for years, doesn't make it true.

lawaia
10-03-2011, 10:05 AM
State your case law, a penal code section or a CADOJ memo regarding your opinions, or quit spreading the rumors of the ignorant who's either "done it twice, knows somebody who's done it twice, or has two of them". Just because you've been arguing that an AFG is a "pistol grip" for years, doesn't make it true.

How about if you do your own research on the subject here on this very forum?

nlpro
10-03-2011, 2:13 PM
I ended up ordering a mid length riflegear upper for $599 every thing i have read said they are good . I plan on removing the flash hider and running it with just a thread protector on it for now. ordered a hammer head and an ace ultra lite stock.